Men and Abortion

[celldog]

I'm calling it a fetus because its more accurate. If we were on any subject,I'd call it a baby.

And why is baby less accurate?? Since fetus is latin for "baby" or "child".

 

[black_dust]

So your parents called you a "fetus"?

How would he know he was in her womb

 

[Abaddon]

So your parents called you a "fetus"?

Go back and look for my point. I think you missed it.

 

[Abaddon]

And why is baby less accurate?? Since fetus is latin for "baby" or "child".

Did you not post the definition for fetus already?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hey dudes?

If you are caught stepping on a bald eagle's egg in California?

You will be fined hundreds of dollars.

You know why?

Because you made a mess?

No

Because Bald Eagles are "endangered", and when you step on a bald eagle egg, you just killed an EAGLE.

If you KILL a human embryo in California, they'll PAY YOU hundreds of dollars.

Get it?​

 

[ampersand]

Wilhelm, that was awesome.

 

[ElectroFlare]

I am anti-abortion personally. I'm also a 19 year old guy with a loving girlfriend.

She had an abortation about a year ago. (not mine. We weren't dating at the time)

When I found out about this, I was beyond shocked...a baby is a baby, whether out of the womb or not. It's still a child.

She and I got together shortly after that. The bastard that fathered that unborn child wouldn't have done a thing for her. Had she had the child, I would have done anything and everything for that kid.

Every life is important. Every life.

 

[Tangled Web]

I just really don't like it when men get all anti-abortion. They have not no idea what it's like for the woman. It should be the woman's choice. Sure the guy plays a part in it, a big part, but he's not the one having the baby.

I think every woman should have the right to have an abortion.

What if the man is against the idea of his baby being killed?

 

[Anjow1060]

Last time I checked it took two differant sexes to make a kid. That baby is 1/2 of the dad's. Unless the woman got artificial insemanation........but'd that be kinda redundent.

 

[celldog]

Sure,but your implication was that humans matter much more than animals. And why exactly?I'm asking a serious question.

I never brought animals into this equation. And since I didn't, why did you?? We've been talking about human babies. Right.

Don't try to change the subject.

 

[Tangled Web]

Last time I checked it took two differant sexes to make a kid. That baby is 1/2 of the dad's. Unless the woman got artificial insemanation........but'd that be kinda redundent.

Bingo. The Dad has say.

 

[Abaddon]

But what kind???? It's not a giraffe. I know that playing the name game makes your conscience feel better. But that changes nothing.

They are human.

umm....

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wilhelm, that was awesome.

Thanks.
You should've said it so I could say:

 

[celldog]

How would he know he was in her womb

Just using some common sense.

 

[ampersand]

Thanks.
You should've said it so I could say:

hahahahaha

 

[celldog]

Go back and look for my point. I think you missed it.

No got your point. You still didn't tell me why "baby" is less accurate.

 

[Addendum]

I saw one of those in a vending machine at the grocery store.

A $.50 piece of plastic

 

[celldog]

I saw one of those in a vending machine at the grocery store.

A $.50 piece of plastic

But very accurate.

 

[Abaddon]

No got your point. You still tell me why "baby" is less accurate.

Main Entry: 1ba·by
Pronunciation: 'bA-bE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural babies
Etymology: Middle English, from babe
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : an extremely young child; especially : INFANT (2) : an extremely young animal b : the youngest of a group
2 a : one that is like a baby (as in behavior) b : something that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interest
3 slang a : GIRL, WOMAN -- often used in address b : BOY, MAN -- often used in address
4 : PERSON, THING <is one tough baby>

I can't for the life of me find a definition for baby that specifically describes a collection of cells developing into a human child.

 

[celldog]

JUST LOOK AT THIS!!

 

[Abaddon]

whats it drinking?

 

[black_dust]

In closing before i goto bed.

I think the man should have a say if his child gets to live or die, and the couple should come to a agreement on the matter, together.

 

[celldog]

Case Study:
Female Infanticide Focus:
(1) India
(2) China

Summary

The phenomenon of female infanticide is as old as many cultures, and has likely accounted for millions of gender-selective deaths throughout history. It remains a critical concern in a number of "Third World" countries today, notably the two most populous countries on earth, China and India. In all cases, specifically female infanticide reflects the low status accorded to women in most parts of the world; it is arguably the most brutal and destructive manifestation of the anti-female bias that pervades "patriarchal" societies. It is closely linked to the phenomena of sex-selective abortion, which targets female fetuses almost exclusively, and neglect of girl children.

The background

"Female infanticide is the intentional killing of baby girls due to the preference for male babies and from the low value associated with the birth of females." (Marina Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) It should be seen as a subset of the broader phenomenon of infanticide, which has also targeted the physically or mentally handicapped, and infant males (alongside infant females or, occasionally, on a gender-selective basis). As with maternal mortality, some would dispute the assigning of infanticide or female infanticide to the category of "genocide" or, as here, "gendercide." Nonetheless, the argument advanced in the maternal mortality case-study holds true in this case as well: governments and other actors can be just as guilty of mass killing by neglect or tacit encouragement, as by direct murder. R.J. Rummel buttresses this view, referring to infanticide as


another type of government killing whose victims may total millions ... In many cultures, government permitted, if not encouraged, the killing of handicapped or female infants or otherwise unwanted children. In the Greece of 200 B.C., for example, the murder of female infants was so common that among 6,000 families living in Delphi no more than 1 percent had two daughters. Among 79 families, nearly as many had one child as two. Among all there were only 28 daughters to 118 sons. ... But classical Greece was not unusual. In eighty-four societies spanning the Renaissance to our time, "defective" children have been killed in one-third of them. In India, for example, because of Hindu beliefs and the rigid caste system, young girls were murdered as a matter of course. When demographic statistics were first collected in the nineteenth century, it was discovered that in "some villages, no girl babies were found at all; in a total of thirty others, there were 343 boys to 54 girls. ... n Bombay, the number of girls alive in 1834 was 603."
Rummel adds: "Instances of infanticide ... are usually singular events; they do not happen en masse. But the accumulation of such officially sanctioned or demanded murders comprises, in effect, serial massacre. Since such practices were so pervasive in some cultures, I suspect that the death toll from infanticide must exceed that from mass sacrifice and perhaps even outright mass murder." (Rummel, Death by Government, pp. 65-66.)

NOW CHINA FACES A SERIOUS PROBLEM. Too few girls to keep the population going.

 

[celldog]

whats it drinking?

Yes! got a problem with that!! LOL

 

[celldog]

But seriously I do appreciate this conversation we've had. It hasn't degenrated into hostility.