MGM has the Hobbit and T4 ??!! WTF

[Boom]

At least PJ said he's interested in doing it. There is hope.

 

[TrailerCues]

At least PJ said he's interested in doing it. There is hope.

I would imagine as long as New Line have nothing to do with The Hobbit that would pretty much seal the deal

 

[Boom]

Seeing a WETA-designed Smaug.

*Orgasm*

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If they don't get Jackson and WETA, I'm honestly not interested.

Agreed.

 

[Retroman]

Double agreed.

Whats this about Terminator 4 and Pink Panther 2.Do they really need to make those? T3 was enjoyable but was really pointless and as for the Pink Panther remake, Peter Sellers must be turning in his grave.Steve Martin should start making good comedies like Lonely Guy again.

 

[livrule]

If T4 features the T-1million ... I AM THERE!!

 

[Erundur]

Seeing a WETA-designed Smaug.

*Orgasm*

Dude, The Battle of the 5 Armies

 

[Boom]

Dude, The Battle of the 5 Armies

OMG ROTF.

*Dies*

 

[matrix_ghost]

Double agreed.

Whats this about Terminator 4 and Pink Panther 2.Do they really need to make those? T3 was enjoyable but was really pointless and as for the Pink Panther remake, Peter Sellers must be turning in his grave.Steve Martin should start making good comedies like Lonely Guy again.

Yes well according to BO mojo Pink panther grossed 82 million in the US and 76 million overseas on a 80 million budget. Plus i think dvd sales have been great i think so they obviously know there's a market there and they can get some good $$$.

Same for Terminator 3 apparantly. Even with a budget of 200 million it grossed 150 milion in the states and 283 million overseas.

So yeah , if they can get a quick buck then it's okay for then


Still i'm all for a Terminator 4 , as long as they don't churn up another damn time story and just go on with the story as it's been presented so far.
There is no way War can be avoided. IMO T4 should be about the war. Nothing else. A balls to walls SCI-FI movie t:

As for Pink panther. Well i honestly didn't see the flick but some of my friends saw it and thought it to be a fun flick.
But yeah , i'm a sellars fan and no one on earth can replace the genius portrayal of him

 

[Iceman]

Still i'm all for a Terminator 4 , as long as they don't churn up another damn time story and just go on with the story as it's been presented so far.
There is no way War can be avoided. IMO T4 should be about the war. Nothing else. A balls to walls SCI-FI movie t:

Yeah, there's only so many times you can credibly go back in time to save the day before the concept starts wearing thin. Time for an all out Terminator war to redeem the once great franchise.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I'd love to see a Terminator 4 that showcases the war, Skynet, the creation of the T-101/T-800 models, Reese, and then have it end with Reese being sent back to 1984.

So in a way it can be a prequel and complete the Terminator saga.

How can it be a prequel... Reese is died in T1... Conners is gonna be 60 and the war will focus on his children a lot...

 

[ToddIsDead]

How can it be a prequel... Reese is died in T1... Conners is gonna be 60 and the war will focus on his children a lot...

No, it would be a prequel because it would cover the events leading up to T1. Reese wasn't born until smetime after 1997, and the war ended and the first Terminator and Reese were sent back in 2029. It would be about the war, and it would lead up to those first two subjects being sent back. It would focus on John and Kyle.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, it would be a prequel because it would cover the events leading up to T1. Reese wasn't born until smetime after 1997, and the war ended and the first Terminator and Reese were sent back in 2029. It would be about the war, and it would lead up to those first two subjects being sent back. It would focus on John and Kyle.

Wait up... am I missing something... wasn't Reese John Conner's father or just a good friend... cause in T2 didn't he have a quote that said he sent his father back in time and didn't Reese get Sarah pregnant? I mean I always thought Reese knew he had to seduce Sarah to get her pregnant just in case he had to sacrifice himself...

 

[ToddIsDead]

Wait up... am I missing something... wasn't Reese John Conner's father or just a good friend... cause in T2 didn't he have a quote that said he sent his father back in time and didn't Reese get Sarah pregnant?

Yes, Reese is John's father. But you have to realize that in 1984, when T1 took place, Kyle was not born yet. Kyle was not born until after the nuclear war with Russia(AKA Judgement Day), which wiped out most of the humans. The Kyle that John fought alongside during the war with the machines wasn't yet John's father either. He does not father Sarah's son until after the war, after he is sent back in time from 2029 to May 12th, 1984. He dies shortly after arriving in 1984, but he is still born again some time after 1997. I know it can be kind of confusing, but you just have to rap your head around the fact that you're talking about time travel, so you have to think about that.

*Note: I typed this in terms of the James Cameron films, so Judgement day would be in 2003, and I don't believe there is a war with Russia thanks to the Mostow movie. Still, Kyle is born sometime after 1997; the original date of Judgement Day.

And sorry if this doesn't make a whole lot of sense; I'm really tired, and I'm just heading off to bed.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yes, Reese is John's father. But you have to realize that in 1984, when T1 took place, Kyle was not born yet. Kyle was not born until after the nuclear war with Russia(AKA Judgement Day), which wiped out most of the humans. The Kyle that John fought alongside during the war with the machines wasn't yet John's father either. He does not father Sarah's son until after the war, after he is sent back in time from 2029 to May 12th, 1984. He dies shortly after arriving in 1984, but he is still born again some time after 1997. I know it can be kind of confusing, but you just have to rap your head around the fact that you're talking about time travel, so you have to think about that.

*Note: I typed this in terms of the James Cameron films, so Judgement day would be in 2003, and I don't believe there is a war with Russia thanks to the Mostow movie. Still, Kyle is born sometime after 1997; the original date of Judgement Day.

And sorry if this doesn't make a whole lot of sense; I'm really tired, and I'm just heading off to bed.

This is the thing I never got in the flicks... woudn't Sarah be like 50 when she fathered John... this makes no sense... so there were two Johns... I am sorry for being so slow.... I never figured this out...

 

[slipknotrocks]

The Hobbit!

Freakin AWSOME!

 

[ToddIsDead]

This is the thing I never got in the flicks... woudn't Sarah be like 50 when she fathered John... this makes no sense... so there were two Johns... I am sorry for being so slow.... I never figured this out...

Tomorrow, after school, I'll give you a timeline that should explain everything.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is the thing I never got in the flicks... woudn't Sarah be like 50 when she fathered John... this makes no sense... so there were two Johns... I am sorry for being so slow.... I never figured this out...

No no no, were are you getting all of this from? In 1984 Sarah was 18-20 years old and a normal girl. A Terminator was sent back from 2029 to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor before she could give birth to John Connor because the humans had virtually won the war.

The humans broke into the Terminator stronghold and found the time machine or 'time displacement equipment', they discovered a Terminator was sent back to Reese was sent back also to be a protector to Sarah. Reese wasnt born until after the war started and so was a lot younger than John Connor. But John knew Reese was his father, hence why he gave him the picture of a young Sarah, which Reese subsequently fell in love with, hecne why he volunteered to go back.

Reese went back, got Sarah pregnant and then died, hence why John never met him as a child. Sarah told John all about Reese, so that when he met him in the future in a Terminator concentration camp, he knew this was his father and so befriended him.

Hope this clears a few things up.

Oh and i hope both T4 and the Hobbit get made, they could both be great.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No no no, were are you getting all of this from? In 1984 Sarah was 18-20 years old and a normal girl. A Terminator was sent back from 2029 to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor before she could give birth to John Connor because the humans had virtually won the war.

The humans broke into the Terminator stronghold and found the time machine or 'time displacement equipment', they discovered a Terminator was sent back to Reese was sent back also to be a protector to Sarah. Reese wasnt born until after the war started and so was a lot younger than John Connor. But John knew Reese was his father, hence why he gave him the picture of a young Sarah, which Reese subsequently fell in love with, hecne why he volunteered to go back.

Reese went back, got Sarah pregnant and then died, hence why John never met him as a child. Sarah told John all about Reese, so that when he met him in the future in a Terminator concentration camp, he knew this was his father and so befriended him.

Hope this clears a few things up.

Oh and i hope both T4 and the Hobbit get made, they could both be great.

I still don't get it... how the **** can Reese be his father if he was younger... so what I think you are saying is that Sarah would've had the baby with some other guy had she never met Reese... but then how the f*** would John become this world leader taking on machines had his mother never met Reese... it still doesn't make sense

 

[Erzengel]

It is somewhat of a time paradox.

Terminator 1
John Connor in the future sends Reese into the past to protect his mother from the Terminator.

Sarah gets pregnant by Reese. Reese dies. The Terminator is destroyed.

She eventually gives birth to John Connor whom she raises to become a leader.

Skynet takes over the world.

John Connor grows up leads the resistance and meets his father, Reese. He finds out Skynet sends a Terminator to the past to kill his mother. So he sends Reese to the past.

And the cycle continues.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well the Terminator series does deal with subjects concerning fate , doesn't it.

If you look at T1 :
Basic story is Sarah Conner , woman in her early adulthood , is being targeted by a terminator of the future who's going to kill her .
Kyle Reese , soldier from the future , is sent back by John Conner to save Sarah.
Dunno if this is right , but the picture that Kyle Reese has of Sarah and eventually gets burned , isn't that picture given to Kyle bu John
I know that the picture Kyle Reese is looking at , is eventually shot in the end by some kid/guy at the service station at the end of the movie.
So the cycles starts over , where you just can't avoid fate. It was fated that Sarah Conner would have a son and that Kyle Reese would be the father.
Conner knows that Reese is his biological father but it ends there.


Terminator 2 :
Basic story now is that John Conner is targeted. This time a terminator ( arnie) is sent by John to save himself from dying.
We get the big fight , yadayada.
But and important theme is , is the father figure that arnie's character plays in John's life as well as the fact that he only now understands who he is fated to be and that he embraces this.And despite the fact that he was raised by his mom and the fact that Kyle Reese was his biological father , his "real father" is of course arnie.
It was his fate to be the leader of mankind. And that is shown at the end , where mom and son go off into the dark future not knowing what lies ahead. The only certainty that they have now is that they understand what John is going to be.

Terminator 3 :
Again basic story is here is to kill John Conner as well as the important people of the resistance.
While the latter is nearly completed , the theme here is that war of unavoidable.
It is something that has been touched upon in in T1 ( Sarah thinking she destroyed the terminator and so skynet) and T2 ( Skynet still exists and the war is still going to happen) and explored to greater detail in T3.
Here we see that despite them trying to prevent war , it will still happen.
Despite how many times they tried to destroy skynet , it always comes back in one form or another.
So Judgement Day was just something that was always going to happen , it only got pushed back.




And that is IMO why T4 should be about the humans fighting the war. The theme of time travel and the faith of the characters are fully explored in the 4 movies and there is no way you can continue on that without coming back to the same conclusion.
I like the idea of making the cycle complete with John Conner sending Kyle reese back to the past , thus completing the cycle .
But it should be something where Skynet is using the last defence after being defeated by humanity .
It is said in T3 that Conner is going to die , so IMO it would be a great death scene when a dying John sends Kyle Reese to the past tp save the future

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I hope that new Terminator TV show doesn't **** up things even more

 

[ToddIsDead]

I still don't get it... how the **** can Reese be his father if he was younger... so what I think you are saying is that Sarah would've had the baby with some other guy had she never met Reese... but then how the f*** would John become this world leader taking on machines had his mother never met Reese... it still doesn't make sense

I fail to see how you still don't get this. Maybe you should watch T1 and T2 again. It's really kind of simple if you just put some thought into it.

 

[U.S War Machine]

I love MGM!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I fail to see how you still don't get this. Maybe you should watch T1 and T2 again. It's really kind of simple if you just put some thought into it.

Yeah FatTonie, try watching the first 2 a few times again, should clear some things up for you.