Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

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Hank being a villain never really made sense. Not sure why people were so adamant it would happen.

Edgar Wright even flat out said Hank Pym isn't the villain but people still insisted he was was.

Yes, it didn't make sense, but you never know with Marvel. They might decide to change things up. It would've been in the same way as Jim Phelps suddenly becoming a villain in the first Mission Impossible movie, even though he was an incorruptible hero through and through during the series. They might've just thought it would've been cool to have the new Ant-Man fighting the original Ant-Man. It would've been such a middle finger to the character though.
 
I absolutely hated that. It took me right out of the movie. It was hard to root for Tom Cruise's character and I kept hoping it would be all a big misunderstanding somehow. I didn't like what was done to the Mandarin in IM3 either. I'm glad nothing like that happened in Ant-Man.

I would've preferred to see Hank die a hero than for him to turn into a villain. I was even prepared to see that happening and was sure he would. I'm glad neither happened and that he made it through to the end of the movie. Plus if he died, we wouldn't have ever had that cool tank scene.

What did you think of Doc Ock dying a hero at the end of Spider-Man 2?

You either die a villain, or you live long enough to see yourself become the hero.
 
What did you think of Doc Ock dying a hero at the end of Spider-Man 2?

You either die a villain, or you live long enough to see yourself become the hero.

The thing about SM2 is that it was set in its own little bubble universe. So Ock was unlikely to ever come back. They wrote him as a more sympathetic villain who was merely controlled by that nano technology or whatever it was, so he was never quite himself or in control of his actions. So dying a hero was okay in that context because it completed his arc and redeemed him and was more satisfying than just having someone who isn't in control dying and being thought of as evil.

But that's off topic here anyway.

I really do wish we saw a proper flashback adventure with Ant-Man using Michael Douglas. Also, it seems that there is no classic version of the suit as in the comic with the almost all-red design and classic helmet. I would've liked to have seen something like that for the 60s or 80s version in the movie, and that the suit Lang wears is merely the latest iteration of it, much like Stark updates his armours.
 
The thing about SM2 is that it was set in its own little bubble universe. So Ock was unlikely to ever come back. They wrote him as a more sympathetic villain who was merely controlled by that nano technology or whatever it was, so he was never quite himself or in control of his actions. So dying a hero was okay in that context because it completed his arc and redeemed him and was more satisfying than just having someone who isn't in control dying and being thought of as evil.

But that's off topic here anyway.

I really do wish we saw a proper flashback adventure with Ant-Man using Michael Douglas. Also, it seems that there is no classic version of the suit as in the comic with the almost all-red design and classic helmet. I would've liked to have seen something like that for the 60s or 80s version in the movie, and that the suit Lang wears is merely the latest iteration of it, much like Stark updates his armours.

Agreed. Grey is fine for Batman, but you expect the Marvel heroes to have more colour. Apart from Grey Hulk, of course.
 
Hank was trying to keep the suit a secret; it wouldn't have made sense to have a new version to give Scott.
 
Douglas was great as Pym. My favorite character in the movie.
 
Michael Douglas nailed it. I wanted more of him on screen.

The de-aging special effect for Douglas was incredible.
Yeah, I was very impressed by it as well. It makes me really want a movie with Douglas as Pym in the early days.

Yeah, I was very impressed with it. SOOOO much better than in Tron. It was cool seeing Peggy, too.
Different processes done to recreate young Flynn.
 
I think we're all in agreement that there needs to be a scene or two between Douglas and Downey.
 
Wonder boys reunion
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So is Michael Douglas going to show up in another MCU film? He's not listed for Civil War, and if there isn't a sequel to Ant-Man, then when would he reappear?
 
He could pop up in Infinity War.

I would rather see Douglas as Pym in the Avengers science adviser role than Selvig or Dr Cho.
 
So is Michael Douglas going to show up in another MCU film? He's not listed for Civil War, and if there isn't a sequel to Ant-Man, then when would he reappear?
I hope he does. I've been a fan of Michael Douglas for a long time. He's a solid performer. And like you, I had the impression he was going to be killed off, so I'm glad it didn't happen.
 
Does anyone else think/hope that
that might have been Michael Douglas in the Ant-Man suit in the flashback scene
?
 
So is Michael Douglas going to show up in another MCU film? He's not listed for Civil War, and if there isn't a sequel to Ant-Man, then when would he reappear?

Maybe Pym could pop up at [BLACKOUT]Peggy Carter's funeral in Civil War [/BLACKOUT]or was there a no love lost relationship between them when they did work together?
 
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How Exactly Did Ant-Man Make Michael Douglas Look So Young?

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/how-did-ant-man-make-young-michael-douglas.html

In Ant-Man's opening scene, Michael Douglas's Hank Pym strides into S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters to tender his resignation. Well, that's not 100 percent right — it's definitely Hank Pym, and it's definitely S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters, but it's not quite Michael Douglas, at least as we know him in 2015. The scene takes place in 1989, and the Douglas that walks into the room is the spitting image of the actor during his Wall Street and Fatal Attraction days. How did the film undo 25 years of time's cruel work? We were lucky enough to talk to Trent Claus of Lola Post Production, the company that de-aged Douglas for Marvel, to learn the scene's secrets.

In the world of visual effects, Lola specializes in "visual cosmetics," which can range from secret touch-ups to complete physical transformations. As Claus puts it, the company can make anyone "older, younger, thinner [or] fatter." Lola first got into de-aging in their work for X-Men: The Last Stand, but their breakout moment came on The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, where they handled the aging and de-aging of Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett's characters. Since then, they've had a long relationship with Marvel — Lola created skinny Chris Evans for the first Captain America film — and they were brought on fairly early in the production process to handle the de-aging work in Ant-Man's prologue.

The heads-up helped. "They asked for advice for what they could do when they were shooting that could aid us, which is very much appreciated," said Claus. "We put our two cents in, and they did everything we needed right from the start." Mostly that meant no anti-aging makeup on the 70-year-old Douglas (it messes with the way light works on the face) and a sprightly stand-in to give a reference point for the way young skin looked on the S.H.I.E.L.D. set.

From there, Lola got to work. Unlike on previous transformations, they had a plenty of reference material — multiple feature films' worth — of exactly what a 45-year-old Michael Douglas would look like. To hear Claus tell it, this was both a blessing and a curse. "It helped us a lot to have that reference," he said, "but it made us work harder, because the audience already knew what he looked like at that age. There wasn't a whole lot of leeway."

The only solution, they decided, was to view as much of Douglas's late-'80s oeuvre as possible, as closely as possible. They found themselves watching Wall Street not only for its dramatic indictment of corporate greed, but also for its great shots of Douglas'e middle-aged wrinkles. "What’s really important is the way his face moves as he speaks, the way that the muscles in the face have changed over time, the way the skin reacts to those muscles. To sell the effect you have to look at the way [the face] looks in motion."

De-aging an actor is essentially giving them a digital face-lift, and Lola's team do the same work with digital composites a skilled plastic surgeon would do with a scalpel. The two professions turn out to have similar ways of talking. "The most obvious thing is that the skin along the jaw in most people tends to get lower and lower and sag a little bit as you get older. Particularly around the throat and the Adam's Apple area, you’ll get a build-up of extra skin down there," Claus told me. "One thing we’ll have to do to de-age someone is restore that elasticity and try to not only to remove the excess skin, but pull it back up to where it once was."

Our cheeks thin out and sink as we get older, so Lola also added a little more fat to the middle of Douglas's cheeks. And since human ears and noses never stop growing, they also had to shrink Douglas's back to their 1980s' sizes, as well as remove some of his ear wrinkles. Then it came time to restore what Claus called Douglas's "youthful glow," adding shine to his skin and hiding the blood vessels in his nose.

The result in the finished film is eerie in its accuracy; it's as if Douglas stepped into the room straight off the cover of Time. There's still a telltale digital sheen, but the de-aging effect has come a long way in the nine years since X3. I asked Claus if this was because technology had gotten better. "It really hasn't changed," he said. "The basic tools have been the same for decades. It's more the experience of the artists that are actually doing the work." In other words, their skills have grown over time — just like their ears.

There is also an accompanying still of the de-aged Douglas from the film with this article. I don't know if we're allowed to post that or not though.
 
I don't see why not, it's not a leaked still or anything. It's an official photo.
 
Really liked Douglas in this film. It was funny though, in the intro scene that took place in 1989, I just kept thinking, "It's Gordon Gecko!" the whole time. He just needed the slicked back hair and the giant cell phone.
 
Still from that article above:

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I think his face might've actually been a little fuller back then. His facial structure looks a little thinner here like how he is now. Here is his actual look:

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Michael Douglas looked good in the 1989 prologue scene, but that's about it.

It looked like they were all standing in front of a green screen.

I thought it was a pretty terrible way to start off the movie (and this coming from a guy who enjoyed the movie a good deal)
 
Edgar was going to have a prologue of Cold War Ant-Man kicking ass. That is one thing I did miss from his version.
 
Well, we did get Cold War Ant-Man riding a missile and grainy footage of Cold War Ant-Man kicking ass.
 
Just read CBR's article about the prologue with Peyton Reed. Turns out they did film Pym's Ant-Man on a mission in Panama in the eighties but it was cut from the movie.

I hope it is released on the Blu Ray
 
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