Michael Turner....Just because.

[TheCorpulent1]

When I make fun of artist, I compare it to my own work. I'd love to see some of you guys' art...especially whoever was making fun of Dodson above.

Yeah, that was me. I didn't make fun of him, though. I said I wouldn't read a comic because he drew it. I don't like his art. He's got technical skills but his plasticy style and cheesecake layouts annoy me.

I'm not going to bother dignifying your implication that I somehow have to be more skilled an artist than the artists I don't like to justify not liking them. Relative skill levels are irrelevant to having an opinion.

 

[sethcohen]

maybe most people dont like artists like benes or turner because they can only draw 2 characters; men and women. they dont have varied body styles or even faces.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That is a persistently annoying facet of both of their art for me, yes. But I can't really fault them for it too much. John Romita Jr.'s one of my favorite artists and he tends to pretty similar features on most of his characters.

 

[Matthew Allison]

Okay. Here are two Hulk images. Both are fairly simple layouts - Hulk facing the viewer, scowling. Not complicated in the least.

Turner...

Lee Weeks...

Now, in my opinion, Weeks' piece is the stronger of the two. He's not relying on massive amounts of scribbled shading, or bulging veins (that in Turner's piece seem to be laying on top of his skin, although that's partly the colorist's fault.) and Weeks has created a drawing that contains weight, emotion, and, even though Hulk appears to be moving slowly, there is real action in this cover. What Weeks is doing here is much more difficult than what Turner has done. If you've taken figure drawing classes and done gesture drawings you'll know that sometimes simple poses are often quite difficult. Turner takes the easy path.

 

[fifthfiend]

Turner...

And people wonder why they call him the new Liefeld.

 

[trustyside-kick]

That's another thing with Turner...his muscular chars are exaggerated.

 

[IRON_Lad]

It's the FCKING Hulk he's supposed to be exaggerated! Almost All Superheros are exaggerated, thats not just a Turner thing .

 

[Silverstein]

Matt raises a good point in that example. Weeks made me feel emotion while Turner had me going "cool". I'd say Weeks' image was more appropriately a form of sequential art than Turner in that example, however...I'd rather see a more similar scene comparison than a fight scene against a lonely, depressing walk with Hulk.

 

[Silverstein]

Yeah, that was me. I didn't make fun of him, though. I said I wouldn't read a comic because he drew it. I don't like his art. He's got technical skills but his plasticy style and cheesecake layouts annoy me.

I'm not going to bother dignifying your implication that I somehow have to be more skilled an artist than the artists I don't like to justify not liking them. Relative skill levels are irrelevant to having an opinion.

Again....you misunderstand me. I'm not implying that you have to be more skilled*, I'm implying that you have to at least understand the concepts of art. It's easy for me to say "that car sucks" because I don't like how it looks.

In that situation, "relative skill levels" would be irrelevant to having an opinion. But there's a difference between forming an opinion and being right.

If said car maker than told me about the makings of the car and why it looks that way, to continue stating my opinion as if it were a fact and not a mere opinion would make me...well a number of things but mainly just wrong.

I can say Alex Ross sucks. I can SAY whatever I want. But Alex Ross understands light, shadow, shading,etc. He knows how to draw and understands art. Thus he does not suck as an artist.

Speaking of irrelevancy, the "just because" threads were about posting images of certain characters. Since I was not trying to 'oogle' any one character, but more see the art of a particular artist, a "This is my opinion and I'm not letting up" attack on Turner seems a little "irrelevant" to me.

It's one thing if you're showing me facts and proof of your ideas or beliefs. That's discussion it's worthy discussion. I don't think Dodson or Turner are "the best". But if anyone, not just corpulent, wants to just rag on him for the sake of disagreeing then make a thread about that. The attitude that these are just your [off topic] opinions and that you don't need to "justify" or "dignify" them is only trolling for an argument.


*I'm an art major. I am not boastful or arrogant. I don't even think that I'm that good. But I know the fundamentals of art and design. I've seen lots of different styles, so my earlier comment that you cited was to say: It's one thing to talk or have an opinion. It's something else entirely to know what you're talking about. You don't need to be more skilled....but if you can honestly do it better than you know that the person sucks. As you're not working at Marvel and they are. So theoretically they should be better as they get paid for their work. If you're drawing stick figures, then don't even comment about someone else's art.

You say Dodson is too plastic and cheesecake oriented. That is your opinion. And your opinion is that you don't like it....The reality on the other hand may be something else.

 

[Matthew Allison]

I'm no artist, so I don't know how that stuff supposedly works, i'm just saying, if it's cheating, then prove it. Lets see you produce the same finished product. I look at it like a comic art collage. If a guy can sell a buncha pictures he clipped outta some magazines and call that art, then doing whatever the hell it is Land supposedly does should be considered art too. Is it some simple process that any *****e bag could reproduce, or does it take some form of skill to do it as well as Land does? I wouldn't know, i've yet to see anybody do anything like it.

To me it's about proper compostion. I know that people like Alex Maleev and Tony Harris use heavy photo reference, as does Alex Ross obviously, but they have a much better sense of composition than this Land does. To be honest I had never heard of Land before seeing this thread but looking at some of the pages posted it seems as though there's little rhyme or reason to how he places his figures on the page.

 

[Hush]

It's a problem when that's all an artist bothers to do well. It means they only have the patience for the badass fun stuff, not for the panel-to-panel work.

Well i mean those are what he is best at but his panel to Panel was good in S/B. I enjoy his style, it's fantasy, and he draws it in the correct setting. I like variation too but I think I wold rather have him over Joe Mad any day.

Oh and I like his Hulk better he seems more menacing.

 

[Anubis]

Guys with a cleft *******.

Anyway, I dig Land's art. How you can look at something like this:

And tell me it's crap is beyond me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not necessarily that Land's art looks bad that people don't like. It's the fact that he swipes pretty heavily.

 

[Anubis]

Sooo, where do you suppose he swiped those from? My thing is, if the guy can get an issue in on time and it looks as good as that, I could care less how he did it.

 

[Egotastic]

Hey you know I'm pretty sure I'd do a ****ty job of making up fake-ass news stories, that doesn't mean Stephen Glass was a journalist. I'd also probably **** up pretty bad at ripping off stockholders and blowing out my employees' pension funds, that doesn't make Ken Lay a legitimate businesessman.

Of course cheating takes skill, that doesn't mean it's not ****in' cheating.

That pretty much sums everything up. Well done.

 

[bloodyarts]

Turner is exactly as bad as people make him out to be.

This.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sooo, where do you suppose he swiped those from? My thing is, if the guy can get an issue in on time and it looks as good as that, I could care less how he did it.

Different strokes. It diminishes the hell out of an artist in my eyes to learn that he's ripping off other people's work wholesale. The fact that Land can indeed draw just makes it more heinous because I can't help wondering why he takes the easy way out instead of actually plying his craft.

 

[Egotastic]

Not only that, but to me, that "art" doesn't even look good. If you flip through one of his books, the characters' looks vary from page to page. It's completely inconsistent. Why? Because he's mother****ing swiping from various sources. How someone can know this and still support it is beyond me.

 

[Anubis]

You people and your morality.

 

[Egotastic]

What does morality have to do with not liking inconsistent artwork?

 

[fifthfiend]

Anyway, I dig Land's art. How you can look at something like this:

And tell me it's crap is beyond me.

How you can look at this

and not think "Wow, that dude straight-up traced his old ******* magazines and then put it in a comic book that someone expects me to buy with actual money" - and for that matter, how you can look at this

and not think "No seriously why does Wanda's face completely change shape in every single panel?" - is beyond me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahahahaha, holy hell, what the **** is she doing?

 

[Mee]

Hahahahaha, holy hell, what the **** is she doing?

Posting on the Hype.

 

[Spike_x1]

It's an orgasmic experience.

 

[Silverstein]

Matt, I love your art. It didn't show up on my comp for someone reason last night. Cool styles...