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Apocalypse Mighty as a hurricane, Gentle as the summer rain. Alexandra Shipp is Storm - Part 4

Origins is in the same continuity as First Class. That film wasnt wiped out until after the events of DOFP, but when FC came out, it was still canon. With that said, Emma Frost was not in Origins. A blonde girl named Emma Silverfox however was. Thats easy enough to explain away
 
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BS excuse. More reason to want Singer gone if that's what he was truly going for.

The film SHOWS her barely being able to control her powers and wielding them recklessly.

And yet these feats of enhanced powers are small compared to what she's done in previous movies. It's a disappointment.

They're small because this is essentially a prequel. She has not mastered her powers, as she will have done later on in her career with the X-Men.

The other young core X-characters had generally "smaller" power displays than their original counterparts as well, with one notable exception.

Be disappointed, I guess. The character ironically got more actual character development and insight into her origins than she's gotten in like six films, but let's whine because this younger, more inexperienced version of the character didn't make quite enough wind.

Yes she has done some great things I don't think anyone was arguing that but in a film where you could truly have her manipulating the weather on some bat**** crazy levels shes more tame than ever.

People hyped themselves up with expectations of her power usage. Despite what was actually SHOWN in trailers and clips. No one ever promised that we would see Storm do things on a level beyond what we've previously seen from the character.

The character has to have somewhere to go, powerwise. If they start this version of the character at peak power levels, where do they go from there?
 
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I've given the film credit for what little development it gave but make no mistake I'm not gonna give it a pass because they decided to wait 16 yrs to give her some type of development, and then pull punches with her power display. One shouldn't have to come at the cost of the other. You can defend this series all day, all night but many of us are not pleased with the choices made for this series.
 
If you're going to concern yourself with continuity, shouldn't you be concerned with which films are part of which continuity?

No, I expect the directors, producers and scribes to concern themselves with which films are part of the continuity. That's their job to articulate it to me as a moviegoer.

Wasn't that scene deleted? Even if it wasn't, where's the actual proof that's Storm?

I'm sorry, but are you aware of another black mutant female child with white hair that would be summoning lighting phenomena in the X-Men universe? :rolleyes:

Because "There's a black girl with white hair" isn't enough. Could be Ororo's mother...her sister...a cousin, could be someone else entirely. There's a world of mutants, but we're to believe none of them but Storm could possibly have white hair?

Or...it could be Storm. Which is what we were led to believe back then.

The entire point of that sequence was for Xavier to get a glimpse at his future students via Cerebro which had just been constructed at that time. The deduction is very simple to make here Guard. You can split hairs if you like, but if you put it to a poll I doubt you'd find anyone here that didn't take that as being Storm--and that's exactly what the moviemakers intended us to do. Come the hell on.

I don't think the character in Apocalypse is even called Warren in the film, is he?

Are you really going there? In the comics, what was Archangel's real name? Was he not Warren Worthington? Yes. And did he not have the same metal wings as shown in XA? Yes. Who gave those metal wings to him in the comics? Some guy named Apocalypse. :whatever: So again, simple deduction. What is the intention of the filmmakers here? It's supposed to be Warren.

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It's funny: Storm wasn't mentioned by name one single time in X-Men: Apocalypse. Not once Guard. Not even as Ororo. But I'm pretty sure Alexandra Shipp was playing Storm and not some random black mutant girl with white hair like the chick we see above.
 
The power enhancements are permanent? So that means going forward Magneto keeps the world-changing power boost?
 
Yes, I can. If it's a good creative choice we praise it. There have been many brilliant choices made and we've celebrated them. But these are dumb choices that only confuse everyone. There's no map or planning with the X-Men movie universe. It's just all over the place. Have you ever tried watching a marathon of the films back-to-back? It just makes one's head explode with the glaring continuity issues:

While I do think the movies do have some continuity issues because of poor planing, partly because I don't think they were expecting or planning for a franchise until X-men Origins and First Class came along. But I do have to say this, not all of the example you list, I view as continuity errors, to be honest.

* In X-Men Origins Emma Frost is a player, but suddenly she's also in the 1960s as a henchwoman fighting Magneto.

Emma was Kayla Silverfox's sister, and was only called Emma Frost in the promo. Emma Frost was given her proper debut in First Class. Similar to "Psylocke" and Trask in First Class. The Emma in Origins, was Emma in name only.

* Storm's a toddler in X-Men Origins, but a teenager in the 60s, and somehow, magically, still a teenager in the 1980s. :whatever:

Storm in X-men Origins was a deleted scene, and I'm mostly positive Storm in First Class was just a wink to fans like the Cyclops wink in the same scene. I don't think it was supposed to be taken as seriously in the films.

* Angel is in his 20s in X-Men: The Last Stand, but somehow he's still in his 20s in the early 80s.

* Jubilee is all kinds of different ages depending on when you catch her.

These admittedly are continuity errors. I thought he was going to more with them, but unfortunately it was lost on the cutting room floor. Those scenes could have really helped with character arcs and development.

* Meanwhile, Days Of Future Past undoes everything mentioned above, yet not really because we've already begun retreading themes that are supposed to be wiped out.


Not really. As fans, we're expected to "suspend our disbelief" to an extent with these films. I'm all for that. But FOX insults our intelligence with what is clearly a poorly thought out series of film sequences.

I think it goes to the point, They are picking and choosing what works from the previous movies while building a new franchise with the new characters.

Bryan said from the start, that this movie was supposed to be a accumulation of "six ‘X-Men’ films, yet a potential rebirth of younger, newer characters.This is the true birth of the X-Men. This is how it happens. "

That was the entire point of this movie. It concludes what the First Class trilogy started, and rectifies everything he wasn't able to do with X-Men 3 and some of the plot points he intended to handle in the first 2 X-Men movies, while setting the building blocks for something new. It was his Swan Song. But there are stark differences at the end of the movie.

- Mystique instead of being relegated to henchwoman role, she is now a hero and a teacher for the X-Men, instead of an assassin
-Magneto instead of being the typical villain of the X-Men movies like he was in all 6 movies, redeems, or attempts to redeems himself, now leaving room for other villains to be in the spotlight
- Weapon X which retcons all of X-Men origins: Wolverine, and builds for a more comic Wolverine persona.
- Professor X not being controlling of the X-Men (particularly Jean) and trying to make up the mistakes he made with Mystique (Days of Future Past) and Moira (Apocalypse)
- building up different portions of the X-Men universe with Caliban and his Morlocks, time travel, Sentinels, Apocalypse(or a slightly weaker/grounded version) exists
- Mutants are in a much more public light than they were in the first 3 movies, albeit still under controversy due to the events of Apocalypse
- The new cast having much more interesting group dynamic, or potential group dynamics. Cyclops isn't forced to be the strict, uptight leader he was viewed in the original trilogy, but he is still a leader in his own rights. Nightcrawler has a much more fun personality. Jean Grey is redeemed of her arc in Last Stand and leading to a much more faithful Phoenix arc that could potentially go into space. Storm was definitely underutilized in this movie, but I view her arc more akin to Ultimate Storm with elements of 616 Storm as opposed to a full on 616/Claremont Storm.
- potentially more comic like visual displays of powers and abilities, in multiple forms. Unfortunately for this movie it was small scale, despite going slightly bigger with this movie.

But one thing I have to say is the new cast has personality and potential to grow past what the Original Trilogy cast was able to do with their movies. They just need the right people to help oversee that growth and development, not only as actors but also as X-Men, if they are to be the new leading stars. Like how Joe Johnston set up the elements of the Captain America and the stories used for his movie, but the Russo Brothers took what he, Joss Whedon and previous directors but took it farther than they ever did. It could make for better group dynamics.

I do agree. They really have to plan out with where they are going next with the X-Men movies and franchise, because they have a good (or decent foundation), to build a new X-Men universe from this point on, as opposed to how Last Stand left it.
 
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I love Halle as Storm and I love Alexandria as Storm. But they are both underused IMO. It's like the writers have no clue who or what Storm is about?
 
Storm was also in X-men Origins: Wolverine

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The power enhancements are permanent? So that means going forward Magneto keeps the world-changing power boost?

I hope the same applies for Storm. I would love to see this movie Storm, gets to explore more powers because I was excited by what the trailers showed, simply because I thought there was more to it. I would love to see her utilize the Cairo environment or do something similar to what Storm unwittingly did in Africa against the X-Men under Shadow King's control in Wolverine and the X-Men episode 4. It would have be interesting to see her play a much more active part in the finale, than what we got.

I have seen some fans compare like this post when comparing 616 Storm to Movie Ororo:

616 : Ororo was a street urchin and thief as a child(after being orphaned by a plane crashing into her family's home at age 5), but it was under the kindly elder thief Achmed El-Gibar, not Shadow King. Her connection to him is through Xavier(having picked his pocket, and then they ended up having a psychic duel after SK noticed Charles's psi powers when he used them to stop little Ororo), but she was not working under him. That is a perversion of the canon first implemented in TAS, and magnified in subsequent tellings.

Little Ororo consciously left thieving to go south at age 11, walking across the Sahara where her powers manifested as she neared Kenya. She spent her life from age 12 until being recruited by Charles (to help save the original team in the Krakoa incident) mastering her powers, living largely in seclusion in the wilds of the Great Rift Valley region, occasionally helping the nearby herdsmen when the droughts lasted too long. In doing so, she had already accomplished Charles' goal of mutants using their powers for the good of mankind in her own local community. Joining the X-Men was about expanding her horizons, acting globally(and cosmically), and learning more about Western culture for her. I like that her origins show that not all humans will illogically hate and fear mutants. In the most pragmatic of ways; mutants are a great resource to be celebrated and respected.

Her comics origins show great self-determination, strength of character and an innate magnanimous spirit that is crucial to Storm's character and I am deeply saddened by Fox's decision to completely undermine this rare showing in favor of having Ororo be bitter and aimless into her late teenage years, being manipulated by Apocalypse into destroying Cairo(a city that, even though she went through horrible trials in, she still loves deeply), and threaten the world at large. And have to be saved/brainwashed/beat up by Charles/The X-Men. In truth, it is an inversion of the character that is offensive to me.
But even in X-Men 1 and X2, I thought it was apparent that's Halle Berry interpretation of Storm, she wasn't going to be much like the 616 or TAS Storm. This is not putting down Halle or Alexander Storm like the poster above did, or praising comic Storm over anything, because post Fear Itself, I lost much interest in her if I'm frank, but just examining movie Storm's character.

Storm: Help us! Fight with us!
Logan: Fight with you! Join the team? Be an X-Man? Who the hell do you think you are? You're a mutant. The whole world out there is full of people who hate and fear you and you're wasting your time trying to protect them? I've got better things to do! Magneto's right: there is a war coming. Are you sure you're on the right side?
Storm: At least I've chosen a side.
Senator Kelly: ls somebody there?
Storm: Yes. l'm here.
Senator Kelly : Please don't leave me! l don't want to be alone.
Storm: All right.
Senator Kelly : Do you hate normal people?
Storm: Sometimes.
Senator Kelly: Why?
Storm: l suppose...l'm afraid of them.
Senator Kelly: Well...
l think you've got one less person...to be afraid of.

Nightcrawler: You know, outside the circus, most people were afraid of me. But I didn't hate them. I pitied them. Do you know why? Because most people will never know anything beyond what they see with their own two eyes.
Storm: Well, I gave up on pity a long time ago.
Nightcrawler: Someone so beautiful should not be so angry.
Storm: Sometimes anger can help you survive.
Nightcrawler: So can faith.
Honestly if I had to compare Storm to any comic Storm, I would say it would be Ultimate Storm, just not given the chance to be fleshed out because Simon poorly handled her in writing (not playing her against Nightcrawler like X2 or Beast and Logan in Last Stand, etc) and scenes like apparently her conversation with Professor X discussing her motives of joining Apocalypse apparently got cut out, but more importantly comic had more time to develop her character:
- Instead of a godess helping a tribe out, Ororo was still a thief when Jean inducts her into the X-Men. While Apocalypse coercing her to join in this movie, taking the role of Shadow King.

-When she was introduced in both versions, but she was a novice at using her powers and hasn't had a chance to explore her potential.
But as time went on, she became more skilled and proficient with her powers and becomes more comfortable and in touch with her hidden potential.



But the difference was we got to see her personality, as well as her powers grown and her develop, which to me made her an endearing character. Seeing Storm and Beast relationship grow each other was fun. Beast not only helped her learn and hone her powers but their relationship, when it wasn't plagued by Ultimate Beast's insecurities were fun to watch.


We got to see her afraid to unleash her powers, until Cyclops made her realize what was at stake. We saw her grow more confident and show her become the group's conscience and voice of reason. This eventually the second in command of the X-Men. Her trying to help Angel get adjusted to his life in Ultimate X-Men#40.

Like I said I knew her arc probably wouldn't be 100% 616/Claremont Storm. But if it is like Ultimate Storm, with 616 elements, I honestly would be satisfied and enjoy it, much more than her being a silent power piece to be just there. If Alexander does return in the sequels, I think it will be better to have her interact with the other characters, in order to give her a more fleshed out personality and powers. (Beast and Professor X helping her hone her powers, and giving viewers a chance to see it beyond just creating lightning bolts, Nightcrawler in a X2/comic like relationship, Jean and/or Jubilee bonding with her and getting her to open up or even Cyclops being a confidant of sorts.) She is still a powerful role model and enjoyable character, but seeing how she start off made her arc extremely more satisfying in my opinion. I could see why people would want to see 616 Storm, especially Claremont Storm brought to the big screen, but honestly I just think it made more sense to have a combo Storm with original elements brought to the screen, and based on what Alexandra gave us, She definitely could bring that to life, with the right director and writer.
 
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Storm was also in X-men Origins: Wolverine

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I honestly wished they didn't give her an origin for her white hair like they did with Rogue and Professor X in this movie, but instead have her long hair turned into a Mohawk somewhat similar to this when she turned into a Horseman (only without the make out scene lol)

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If anything, I would see her brown eyes be turned blue after the Horseman transformation.
 
^Exactly this. Such a missed opportunity...and I'm one of the biggest proponents of this film.
 
I honestly wished they didn't give her an origin for her white hair like they did with Rogue and Professor X in this movie, but instead have her long hair turned into a Mohawk somewhat similar to this when she turned into a Horseman (only without the make out scene lol)

If anything, I would see her brown eyes be turned blue after the Horseman transformation.

The list of missed opportunities grows. :csad:
 
I honestly wished they didn't give her an origin for her white hair like they did with Rogue and Professor X in this movie, but instead have her long hair turned into a Mohawk somewhat similar to this when she turned into a Horseman (only without the make out scene lol)

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If anything, I would see her brown eyes be turned blue after the Horseman transformation.


OMG. Yes indeed. It would have been awesome to see Storm with blue eyes.
 
While Storm may have more screentime than Psylocke, Psylocke at least had 2 shining moments: slicing the car and using her psyblade as she goes down the building.
Her battle with Cyclops was a shining moment IMO.
how sad she doesnt form a relationship with anyone in this film besides Apocalypse and even that is weak at best. I cant recall but did she even interact with Jean or Scott outside of trying to blast them?

She [BLACKOUT]asked Peter about his dad when the mansion was been rebuilt and there was that nod to Magneto after Apocalypse was killed[/BLACKOUT]. But there should have been more. Absolutely.
Shipp/Storm!


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My heart was racing a this point of the film...:hyper:
 
They apparently did have a moment on the cliff side where charles was talking to storm in his mind and she was basically telling him how she has lived and what she has gone through.
 
They apparently did have a moment on the cliff side where charles was talking to storm in his mind and she was basically telling him how she has lived and what she has gone through.

That would have been great to see. But i guess it wouldn't make sense since Apocalypse was shielding the horsemen minds from telepathy.
 
They apparently did have a moment on the cliff side where charles was talking to storm in his mind and she was basically telling him how she has lived and what she has gone through.

They should have not cut that scene.
 
They should have not cut that scene.

they should have for the reason Retro mentioned. It wouldnt have made sense and been inconsistent with what they said about Apocalypse shielding the Horseman's minds. If anything this will make it to the deleted scenes of the home release but it it would have been a plot hole and something else for us all to complain about had it been kept
 
they should have for the reason Retro mentioned. It wouldnt have made sense and been inconsistent with what they said about Apocalypse shielding the Horseman's minds. If anything this will make it to the deleted scenes of the home release but it it would have been a plot hole and something else for us all to complain about had it been kept

I get it. But I really felt a lack of Storm scenes in the movie. :(
 
I get it. But I really felt a lack of Storm scenes in the movie. :(

Yeah I get that. Didnt you want her to be a Horseman? I seem to recall that early on. The minute that was announced I knew she wouldnt be getting any character development. Her only chance of actually being utilized right was if she was a student/recruit of Xavier's
 

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