Mom Chews On Infant's Brain: 'I didn't mean to do it!'

[Lightning Strykez!]

I see my point went sailing over your head and into the stratosphere

No, I got your point. You're implying that I'm not a good judge of what's right and wrong and that mentally sick people would automatically die under my jurisdiction (if I were a judge in a courtroom or police officer w/ a firearm for example) because I would fail to see all sides of the matter.

And that's not true. I just don't see it in THIS case.

 

[Paradoxium]

Call me cynical.

But I think she knew precisely what she was doing, just that she thinks she can get away with something so insane, she can get sympathy points by virtue of the insanity of it (being a woman doesn't hurt in this instance). After doing it, it dawns on her through a rush of horror, what she did, and tries suicide.

 

[Wiseman]

When did you become a devil worshipper Dox?

 

[craigdbfan]

Call me cynical.

But I think she knew precisely what she was doing, just that she thinks she can get away with something so insane, she can get sympathy points by virtue of the insanity of it (being a woman doesn't hurt in this instance). After doing it, it dawns on her through a rush of horror, what she did, and tries suicide.

But if she did know what she was doing it doesn't change the fact that there is something seriously not working straight in her head.

No sane person would do this to an infant let alone another human being.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Its hard to take this in and accept the fact that something like this could happen right next door. I have a really detailed and visual imagination(helps when I'm writing) I honestly regret reading through this but felt compelled in some way.

I can only imagine how terrified the sister was on the phone frantically calling for help. All the while seeing her sister someone she grew up with do such a thing. She'll won't ever be the same. The sounds that she probably heard. And the help that arrived on the scene I wouldn't been so shaken up by this. They probably had that since of foreboding as soon as they pulled up to the house. Dreading every second making their way to the inside.

I feel like someone is pressing down on my chest after reading this. Its horrible to read these articles and know that things like this happen in the world.

 

[CBGB]

**** man...... What is wrong with the human race?!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Call me cynical.

But I think she knew precisely what she was doing, just that she thinks she can get away with something so insane, she can get sympathy points by virtue of the insanity of it (being a woman doesn't hurt in this instance). After doing it, it dawns on her through a rush of horror, what she did, and tries suicide.

Agreed.

And again, that's not to discount the element of mental psychosis either--I'm sure that played a role in this. But I just don't buy for a second that she was 100% without some sort of motive.

There have been many parents who have burned/decapitated/bludgeoned their children over the years. There have been children who have done the same to their parents. All of them had to be mentally sick to some extent to carry out such horrendous acts. However, I can't think of one case where there wasn't some sort of premeditated motive involved.

 

[Wiseman]

**** man...... What is wrong with the human race?!

Maybe the fact that we call ourselves a race.....life isn't a competition

 

[The Battousai]

No pun intended I'm sure.

Really? You're going to start THAT now?

That's a viable conclusion--but not the only one. But let's go with your assumption: doesn't that show a level of conscience? If so, how can she get off on being crazy? I'm not discounting her illness, but it just seems as if there is a level of conscious decision-making there to some extent. Whatever the amount, it may destroy whatever hopes she has of avoiding the death penalty.

My conclusion was indeed not the only one that could be made, but it contained the least amount of assumptions (though I could have reduced the amount by removing the "hated herself" part).

So you're saying she just checked out, bludgeoned the child, checked back in to reality and felt remorse? And I am genuinely asking this, not to be sarcastic.

These occurences are not witout precedents. Even people without a psychosis can lose control of themselves without realizing it; the most common being sleepwalking.

You can't let preconceived biases seep into issues like this; only the evidence can do the talking.

No, I got your point. You're implying that I'm not a good judge of what's right and wrong and that mentally sick people would automatically die under my jurisdiction (if I were a judge in a courtroom or police officer w/ a firearm for example) because I would fail to see all sides of the matter.

And that's not true.

That's good - I was hoping for this to be the case.

I just don't see it in THIS case.

That's the problem, though - impartiality is crucial until every facet of an issue is examined to the fullest extent.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

These occurences are not witout precedents. Even people without a psychosis can lose control of themselves without realizing it; the most common being sleepwalking.

That's a good point to consider.

That's the problem, though - impartiality is crucial until every facet of an issue is examined to the fullest extent.

Well of course. And everything that I'm saying is based on the little amount of information that we have.

 

[The Battousai]

Call me cynical.

But I think she knew precisely what she was doing, just that she thinks she can get away with something so insane, she can get sympathy points by virtue of the insanity of it (being a woman doesn't hurt in this instance). After doing it, it dawns on her through a rush of horror, what she did, and tries suicide.

You seem to want this to be the case.

 

[The Battousai]

That's a good point to consider.

Glad we agree

Well of course. And everything that I'm saying is based on the little amount of information that we have.

I think you're adding to it, but that's just me.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I don't consider murderers "citizens". I have no problem with the death penalty taking care of them.

That is a dangerous attitude that leads to all sort of despicable things.

What do you suggest we do with them? Rehabilitation to not murder again?

Rehabilitation or life imprisonment.

I think in cases where the evidence isn't circumstantial and almost definite they should be executed immediately.

In the end this just shows how incredibly flawed humans are. Such self destructive creatures no matter what angle you look at it.

And allowing incredibly flawed humans to kill other incredibly flawed humans somehow will make things better?

Let it be imprisonment or being in death row its wasting my money on resources to take care of murderers who have shown a total disregard for human life. One example being California which is falling apart with its deficit, I can only hope they wise up and find a way to get rid of these people in a more inexpensive fashion.

If we would put this money to work in prevention programs and education then we could avoid a number of these incidents.

There's a few easy ways to get rid of people taking up space in prison. Affect education and prevention programs in inner cities. Decriminalize things like marijuana which take police time but don't amount to anything.

Police arrest "Drug users" for possession of marijuana and those people spend time in jail taking taxpayer money and then are out on the street again. But now they've gotten jail-mates who want them to try heroin.

Killing is never the first answer to the problem because we're better than that and we can always try to find better solutions than killing.

 

[Shemtov]

"Evil" is one hell of a loaded word - the use of which assumes there is no gray area in this matter.

For murder, no word can be used. Evil means "malovence of great degree".
And what is is more malovent then ending a life?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think you're adding to it, but that's just me.

I just want justice to be done. And I don't think jail or a psych ward is the answer this time. Let's just hope I'm not on jury duty for this case.

 

[The Guard]

That's a viable conclusion--but not the only one. But let's go with your assumption: doesn't that show a level of conscience? If so, how can she get off on being crazy? I'm not discounting her illness, but it just seems as if there is a level of conscious decision-making there to some extent. Whatever the amount, it may destroy whatever hopes she has of avoiding the death penalty.

So you're saying she just checked out, bludgeoned the child, checked back in to reality and felt remorse? And I am genuinely asking this, not to be sarcastic.

It's entirely possible that she just checked out, and then back in.

She's likely going to be determined insane because of her actions, as there's no legal way to measure her motivations in any real sense.

This is too far beyond the normal acceptable social behavior to be classified as sane, in my opinion.

There's a few easy ways to get rid of people taking up space in prison. Affect education and prevention programs in inner cities. Decriminalize things like marijuana which take police time but don't amount to anything.

"Easy"?

I just want justice to be done. And I don't think jail or a psych ward is the answer this time. Let's just hope I'm not on jury duty for this case.

Justice in a situation like this is sort of relative.

 

[JP]

WHAT THE **** DID I JUST READ.

 

[Majic Walrus]

"Easy"?

Easier than killing them. :P

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I think I'm gonna be sick....

 

[Lighthouse]

I really, really think sterilization needs to make it's way into our criminal justice system.

 

[craigdbfan]

That is a dangerous attitude that leads to all sort of despicable things.

I disagree but I understand what your saying. The system killing off someone for me isn't really a problem as justice (if properly implemented) has a completely objective lens while the murderer had all the intent to hurt another individual.

Rehabilitation or life imprisonment.

Rehabilitation is appropriate depending on the circumstance of the murder case itself but in most instances I'd say "rehabilitating" a murderer is a bit farfetched.

Life imprisonment is nothing more than a long time out that takes up a whole lot of money as well.

And allowing incredibly flawed humans to kill other incredibly flawed humans somehow will make things better?

The justice system doesn't go out and try to hurt and murder individuals its only when someone decides to harm another being in some cases killing them where other humans have to implement the law accordingly. The death penalty being one of the punishments if its appropriate (someone killing another person).

There's a few easy ways to get rid of people taking up space in prison. Affect education and prevention programs in inner cities. Decriminalize things like marijuana which take police time but don't amount to anything.

Well yeah I even mentioned that this money that is wasted on holding murderers (I never mentioned other forms of criminals which I think can be rehabilitated with the right care) should go towards education and prevention programs.

I completely agree on the marijuana persecution which is completely inane as the substance itself has never killed a single human being while alcohol and tobacco deaths keep rising as I type this.

Police arrest "Drug users" for possession of marijuana and those people spend time in jail taking taxpayer money and then are out on the street again. But now they've gotten jail-mates who want them to try heroin.

Agreed. Again I'm all for decriminalizing marijuana and taxing it. There is no reason why users should fell like criminals when there are legal substances that are by far way more harmful.

Thankfully its being seriously considered to a degree in California and has started a nationwide discussion about marijuana and debunking the "Reefer Madness" stigma that still plagues the mind of those ignorant to the plants properties.

Killing is never the first answer to the problem because we're better than that and we can always try to find better solutions than killing.

A person that is murdered can't ever regain life. To me this is an unforgivable offense.

I'm a big advocate of balance and for me there is no confinement or treatment that can ever compensate for a death of someone who has been murdered.

At least we agree on the absurdity of keeping marijuana illegal.

 

[The Battousai]

A person that is murdered can't ever regain life. To me this is an unforgivable offense.

I'm a big advocate of balance and for me there is no confinement or treatment that can ever compensate for a death of someone who has been murdered.

I'm interested to know what constitutes murder for you.

I'd rather not assume what does.

 

[craigdbfan]

I'm interested to know what constitutes murder for you.

"The unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide."

I'd rather not assume what does.

Would you care to elaborate?

 

[The Battousai]

"The unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide."

Alrighty.

 

[craigdbfan]

Alrighty.

Out of curiosity what did you think my standing was on murder before my clarification?