World Mom Complains About ASM Pics of MJ

[SymbioticToxin]

Heh, she should see my school.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I assume this woman's never taken her son to the beach.

And never will.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's been brought to my attention that this mom's reaction is symptomatic of a multitude of parents who don't properly educate their kids & then want to blame the entertainment industry for everything wrong with their kids.
Bottom line-it's. A. Drawing. Of the female form. Nothing is wrong with that. It's not freakin' porn.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Isnt it kind of ironic that she is upset that he went "Ooohhh!" but she would be just as upset if he said "Icky!" instead? The kid just couldnt win.

 

[Dragon]

It's been brought to my attention that this mom's reaction is symptomatic of a multitude of parents who don't properly educate their kids & then want to blame the entertainment industry for everything wrong with their kids.
Bottom line-it's. A. Drawing. Of the female form. Nothing is wrong with that. It's not freakin' porn.

There's no question kids are influenced by images in TV and movies, etc. Kids interviewed are saying this themselves.

If media images had no affect they woukdn't be spending billions of dollars every year to advertise.

And while most parents certainly try to teach their kids, media imagery is tough to fight. From that toy that every little kid just has to have, to that junk food that every pre-teen has to eat, to whatever stupid behavior that's in whatever dumb-assed teen-oriented show that kids figure they need to be doing so they can be cool too.

There's no question we're in unprecedented times. From the epidemic of mass shootings to 1 in 5 teenage girls "sexting" naked pics of themselves. So merely saying that it's just a picture is bs.

Now about the picture itself- it isn't the worst thing that can be shown to a child. But there's no question that the aim of the pic is about sexiness. MJ merely standing or sitting on the beach would be just that, a scene of a girl on a beach Her tilted over so her teets are the focal point is sending a message. And it isn't as if Marvel, or the comics industry in general isn't about pushing skin or violence if it will sell their comics. I dropped Spidey when Morlun ripped out his eye.

The foks on this board, especially those who don't have kids are in no position to judge that woman.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Here's the image the mom is complaing about. BTw, not that it really matters, lol, but I really liked the Spidey story this image came from.

 

[Chris Wallace]

There's no question kids are influenced by images in TV and movies, etc. Kids interviewed are saying this themselves.

If media images had no affect they woukdn't be spending billions of dollars every year to advertise.

And while most parents certainly try to teach their kids, media imagery is tough to fight. From that toy that every little kid just has to have, to that junk food that every pre-teen has to eat, to whatever stupid behavior that's in whatever dumb-assed teen-oriented show that kids figure they need to be doing so they can be cool too.

There's no question we're in unprecedented times. From the epidemic of mass shootings to 1 in 5 teenage girls "sexting" naked pics of themselves. So merely saying that it's just a picture is bs.

Now about the picture itself- it isn't the worst thing that can be shown to a child. But there's no question that the aim of the pic is about sexiness. MJ merely standing or sitting on the beach would be just that, a scene of a girl on a beach Her tilted over so her teets are the focal point is sending a message. And it isn't as if Marvel, or the comics industry in general isn't about pushing skin or violence if it will sell their comics. I dropped Spidey when Morlun ripped out his eye.

The foks on this board, especially those who don't have kids are in no position to judge that woman.

I do have kids. Kids to whom I do not lie nor do I sugarcoat the truth. You lose all credibility with them when you do that. Then as they mature, they either won't come to you for the info that they need or they'll dismiss everything you say. Far too many of us are putting the responsibility of teaching our kids values into everybody's hands but our own, & then turning around & *****ing about the results. The truth of the matter is, we need to establish more open dialog with our kids instead of sealing ourselves inside this bubble of ignorance, convincing ourselves that if we just coddle them & try to keep them babies forever, they'll naturally abstain from any and all sexual curiosity until they're married. If we do that, maybe the sight of a woman in a f***ing bikini won't shock them, or us. What happens when you take that same kid to Wal-Mart? Is he not gonna see pics of women in swimwear while standing in the checkout line? Are you gonna raise a big-ass stink & demand Wal-Mart stop selling magazines? Will you write to the editors & publishers of People? Will you wig out on Johsnon Publications if he picks up a Jet & flips to the "Beauty Of The Week"? THat's REAL flesh, which is even more accessible for him to see! It's bulls***.
And it's not like comics have EVER truly been 100% kid-friendly-or at least not, MOA-friendly. Have we forgotten how Wonder Woman's costume was once considered risque (and now shows cleavage, which it didn't originally)? You can see just about as much of Diana's skin in general as you could of MJ's. Are we suddenly overlooking the likes of Two-Face & Joker? The death-BY IMPALEMENT-of the Green Goblin? The steroid-pumping (directly into his freakin' cerebellum) Bane? Wolverine, whose primary power involves frequently cutting his own hands open to unleash lethal weapons? Or how about the image of a guy flying around NYC on fire? Mind you, these are just the ones that MOA know about. THey've actually seen all this, & they don't have to touch a comic book to be made aware of it. God forbid tehy started probing further & learned about Watchmen, Spawn, Ant Unleashed or Evil Ernie. THey would completely freak! And we do not want another Congressional hearing to threaten what for many of us, is the mainstay of our entertainment, do we? It's a very slippery slope.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Wow, getting kinda hostile on this thread. And, no offense to anyone since this is kinda a joke, but I'm pretty glad I'm a teenager that doesn't care about this type of stuff. Nowt out of ignorance, not out of 'being a teenager' as the stereotype for teens is having IQ's of rocks, but because I just don't really care about much of anything. (Just in case anyone points it it, no I'm not emo or such. I'm...well, I prefer freak.)

 

[Chris Wallace]

You should care. Cries for censorship are a threat to every freedom we enjoy.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

True, but see I don't do anything as is. I mean, I have very few freinds who bother with me, and if anything I can borrow comics from my Uncle. But if we're going into video-games, well... They won't last long when SymbioticToxin rolls into town *cue dramatic actiony music*

 

[Chris Wallace]

If MOA can get the content of a comic censored, how long before they start attacking videogames, as FAR more teenagers that I know play videogames than read comics.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I do oth. Thoughb mostly comics, cause I don't have the money or the console for good games I wanna play, and I dn't find my games fun anymore. So I did what most people do nowadays: I put them on Craigs List.

Anyway, I seriously will be pissed if they censor **** because of this. Besides, the kid was how many years old? And what elementary school allows comics in their anyway? ONly time I saw comics in school libraries was in middle school and they were the ones for history.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think we even had that. But then, when I was elementary school, Bush Sr. was vice president.

 

[Dragon]

I do have kids. Kids to whom I do not lie nor do I sugarcoat the truth. You lose all credibility with them when you do that. Then as they mature, they either won't come to you for the info that they need or they'll dismiss everything you say.

And you have no idea if that woman does any of what you're saying. Just because she doesn't want what she feels is inapproproate material to be in free access in a school library doesn't mean she lies or sugarcoats anything.

Your approach to raising kids hasn't helped us yield a less troubled crop of youth either. But no one is judging you or telling you how to raise your kids. Nor should they be. So cut this woamn some slack.

Far too many of us are putting the responsibility of teaching our kids values into everybody's hands but our own, & then turning around & *****ing about the results.

Obviously the woman in question isn't putting the responsibility on anyone else. She's standing up herself and taking responsibility. She just doesn't want her parenting undermined by a comic book.

The truth of the matter is, we need to establish more open dialog with our kids instead of sealing ourselves inside this bubble of ignorance, convincing ourselves that if we just coddle them & try to keep them babies forever, they'll naturally abstain from any and all sexual curiosity until they're married. If we do that, maybe the sight of a woman in a f***ing bikini won't shock them, or us.

There are plenty of parents who take the very approach you're championing and their kids still go wrong. And I'm not saying this means we shouldn't be open and honest with our kids. I certainly am. I'm saying that no approach has any guarantees. And you have no idea that this woman isn't honest with her kids or what her dialgoue is with them. You're assuming and making snap judgments of her based on your principles.

What happens when you take that same kid to Wal-Mart? Is he not gonna see pics of women in swimwear while standing in the checkout line? Are you gonna raise a big-ass stink & demand Wal-Mart stop selling magazines? Will you write to the editors & publishers of People? Will you wig out on Johsnon Publications if he picks up a Jet & flips to the "Beauty Of The Week"? THat's REAL flesh, which is even more accessible for him to see! It's bulls***.

Is she protesting Wal-Mart or saying beaches should be closed, or anything else? She's talking about what her son has free access to in a school library. You're advocating open dialog, but you're not even listening to what she's saying.

And it's not like comics have EVER truly been 100% kid-friendly-or at least not, MOA-friendly. Have we forgotten how Wonder Woman's costume was once considered risque (and now shows cleavage, which it didn't originally)? You can see just about as much of Diana's skin in general as you could of MJ's.

So when Marvel presents MJ topless are we just going to say- "remember when MJ was in a bikini and it was considered risque?" And what's MOA?

Are we suddenly overlooking the likes of Two-Face & Joker? The death-BY IMPALEMENT-of the Green Goblin? The steroid-pumping (directly into his freakin' cerebellum) Bane? Wolverine, whose primary power involves frequently cutting his own hands open to unleash lethal weapons? Or how about the image of a guy flying around NYC on fire? Mind you, these are just the ones that MOA know about. THey've actually seen all this, & they don't have to touch a comic book to be made aware of it. God forbid tehy started probing further & learned about Watchmen, Spawn, Ant Unleashed or Evil Ernie. THey would completely freak! And we do not want another Congressional hearing to threaten what for many of us, is the mainstay of our entertainment, do we? It's a very slippery slope.

Talk about overreacting. Dude, she says in the interview that she's not fighting about what's out there. She's not saying Marvel should be banned from publishing such material. She just wants to be able to monitor what her son brings home. The library simply moving such items to a more age appropriate section would probably be a good compromise. She's not trying to take our comic books out of our hands.

At the same time, there's no question that kids are too easily getting access to material that's screwing with their heads. Kids are without question becoming far more sexually focused, violent and short-sighted. Our society's fixation with instant gratification leads them to act without thinking at all. And merely having an "open dialog" isn't slowing things down.

I was about 10 the first time I read ASM #122 and it didn't bother me at all. But as an adult Marvel graduated to Spidey's eye being ripped out and eaten. So it isn't as if they're thinking about the affect of their imagery other than if it makes them money.

There are no easy answers here. You don't have them, I don't and this mom isn't saying she does.

 

[SPIDER-ADDA]

Wow, stories like this make me lose any hope for the advancement of the human race. I can't believe that she made such a stink over some images in a comic book. I mean it's 2009 the elctronic age, kids are exposed to so much now that some slightly sexual situation in a SPIDER-MAN book shouldn't be a big deal whatsoever. I'm eternaly greatfull that when I was growing up, my parents actually HAD a life.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm sorry. I maintain that ANY reaction to a drawing of a woman in a bikini is an overreaction.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

^^ Agreed. My mom used to check the mangas and comics I read to make sure there was nothing inappropriate, but thats cause
1: I wasn't of age to understand
and 2: She didn't want me exposed to it at a young age.
But when she found me reading anything with this or any other inappropriate material, she didn't flip **** and make a fuss. She told me I wasn't supposed to read it, and she took it away till she thought I was ready. It pisses me off only because I'm 16 and this is gonna bite my generation, age group, and so on for the soul purpose that someone is gonna think that they put this in there for us to enjoy. Like we're a bunch of sex-deprived, sex-driven teenage comic-book fans whose only interaction with women are in comics. I get picked on it for ready comics at school, and they've seen whats in them. My teacher took my comci and saw the material and dind't do anything. Its just pisses me off that one women makes a fuss over material in a book. In my opinion its her own damn fault along with the school. She should tell her son that there are certain materials that he can or cannot read at his age. An elementary school should have comics with adult situations and such in their library. I'm not telling anyone how to raise theire children, I'm just saying that if you don't think your kid is mature enough to handle things you easily handled, then you should talk to them and lay down some ground rules of some sort.

There, I'm done ranting. I apologize if I insulted anyone or made anyone want to for a mob against me. I just need to let off some steam about this kinda of stuff.

 

[TheVileOne]

That issue is like over five years old. Its not a new issue.

And also, comics need to have more sexuality and nudity .

Its not Marvel's fault that libraries put old dated comics on their shelves. Quite honestly, I don't think rattly old comic issues should be in libraries at all. Some graphic novels maybe, but that's it.

 

[Dragon]

I'm sorry. I maintain that ANY reaction to a drawing of a woman in a bikini is an overreaction.

Are you sure that you want to stand by a blanket statement like that? Because there are many, many ways to draw a woman wearing a bikini.

And moreover, the woman isn't complaining about a picture of a woman in a bikini. She's complaining about a woman posig in a suggestive manner. And further,she isn't even saying that comics shouldn't be made this way- just that her SIX YEAR OLD SON shouldn't have free access to them in the school library. She's granting that if others want to read them, or allow their kids to, they're welcome. She just doesn't want it in her house.

Further, the issue in question is from the "Nuff Said" month from years back, when the issues produced had no words. So, she is in fact correct when she says that the comic has no literary value.

 

[Dragon]

That issue is like over five years old. Its not a new issue.

And also, comics need to have more sexuality and nudity .

Its not Marvel's fault that libraries put old dated comics on their shelves. Quite honestly, I don't think rattly old comic issues should be in libraries at all. Some graphic novels maybe, but that's it.

And she isn't complaining about Marvel. She's complaining about school policy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Are you sure that you want to stand by a blanket statement like that? Because there are many, many ways to draw a woman wearing a bikini.

And moreover, the woman isn't complaining about a picture of a woman in a bikini. She's complaining about a woman posig in a suggestive manner. And further,she isn't even saying that comics shouldn't be made this way- just that her SIX YEAR OLD SON shouldn't have free access to them in the school library. She's granting that if others want to read them, or allow their kids to, they're welcome. She just doesn't want it in her house.

Further, the issue in question is from the "Nuff Said" month from years back, when the issues produced had no words. So, she is in fact correct when she says that the comic has no literary value.

Oh, for God's sake. The pose wasn't suggestive unless you're a damn prude. It was a very tasteful drawing & nowhere near the likes of, say, Jim Balent's Tarot. She was truly overreacting.

 

[Dragon]

Oh, for God's sake. The pose wasn't suggestive unless you're a damn prude. It was a very tasteful drawing & nowhere near the likes of, say, Jim Balent's Tarot. She was truly overreacting.

Well, I would counter that anyone who doesn't see the suggestiveness of the image is either a sexual infant or lying to themselves. What do you think MJ is bent over for, to show off the curviness of her shoulders? And I don't know what Tarot is, but the fact there are is imagery that's more explicit doesn't mean this isn't suggestive.

Next, who said the image wasn't tasteful? Spotting the sexual suggestiveness doesn't mean you're opposed to it. It's simply calling a duck a duck. You're the one who's for "honesty" right?

And she's overreacting? She's not saying what anyone should do in their home or how they should raise their kids. That'd be you.
.

 

[Golgo-13]

I see woman posed like this on public magazine covers all the time at the grocery store; a place where children can readily see them as they're on the covers. I don't think the issue is the pose, it is how voluptuous MJ was drawn. If MJ had been drawn relatively flat chested in that pic, i doubt it would have had the same impact. The fact that her funbags are at the point where at any given second, they could fall out of her top, IS the issue for these parents.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I see woman posed like this on public magazine covers all the time at the grocery store; a place where children can readily see them as they're on the covers. I don't think the issue is the pose, it is how voluptuous MJ was drawn. If MJ had been drawn relatively flat chested in that pic, i doubt it would have had the same impact. The fact that her funbags are at the point where at any given second, they could fall out of her top, IS the issue for these parents.

And kids can just as easily see the very same image at Wal-Mart, Chuck E. Cheese or a high school graduation. Or just walking down the damn street. Not to mention, that since the woman walking down the street is in 3 dimenstions & not just 2, there's a far greater likelihood of her actually falling out of her top.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
This is interesting. Some people always thought that comic books were for children. Now we have the position that not ALL comic books are for children.It's always good that parents are looking at what their children read and listen to.The problem is that TV commercials for ladies under wear, Victoria Secrets and Bra commercials are rampant on tv day and night.What do these parents do when those commercials come on?I've seen The Tyra Banks show(in passing) where Ty was wearing skirts so short she had to sit sideways for the whole show or get banned for indecent exposure. I think the library made the mistake of ordering Amazing when they should have ordered Marvel Adventures Spider-Man which was made for 6 year olds.JMS never wrote Amazing Spider-Man with a 6 year old in mind.He was writing for a much older audience.Mom will FREAK when she sees Aunt May in the bed with her future husband JJJ,Sr.
Spidey rules