Morrison's Preptime Batgod?

[Doctor of Doom]

I love Batman. I just think that in a movie it would be more entertaining to see Superman beat the crap out of Darkseid.

I feel it would be more entertaining to see him obliterate them both. Out-think Batman and out-fight Supes. Because if you establish both of them early on and then have the big D do that, he'll seem like an even more titanic threat.

 

[Showtime]

 

[MechaOrga]

I would wet my pants if we got miller's allstar batman.

Welling Supes:who the hell do you think you are?

Kiefer Sutherland Batman: I'm the Goddamn Batman

 

[Steelsheen]

Forget about Hawkgirl. Bruce is too busy getting it on with Ollie's girl instead

oh geez ASBR... i have that issue sitting at home for a while now. havent even cracked it open yet.

My friend. I'm afraid you made a little mistake.

Dini and Timm's incarnation is what caused the Bats and Wondy hookup. This incarnation was getting it on with Lois too. She almost left Metropolis for Gotham in the cartoon.

are you referring to JLU? i thoght those comics posted in th other pages happened prior to the cartoons?

Showy, i've seen you posting this twice now, what does that mean?

 

[CaptainClown]

ya i hope the jla batman is the god like/miller (very angry) batman

 

[Buttman]

That's amazing. I love Jo'nn's "I know you're Batman and all.. but"

Preptime Batgod FTW.

 

[Obi-Ron]

HATE that "prep" crap. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Sun_Down]

HATE that "prep" crap. It's just ridiculous.

Agreed. Of course he needs to think 10 steps ahead to keep up with the League and he is the World's Greatest Detective, but when they make him so ridiculously smart and prepared that he becomes superhuman, it compromises the character, IMO.

And this idea that ONLY Batman prepares for ANYTHING EVER is just insulting. What is Superman doing before a fight, sitting with his thumb up his butt?

 

[teseract]

Question:

What the heck is people's problem with Batman rising to the occasion and being prepared? He's defeating these "God level threats" via the same skills he uses to defeat human criminals and his own cunning. What's the issue with that?

The issue with that is that everyone else suddenly becomes a mouthbreathing moron, when standing next to Batman. In fact, I actually think that is proof that Batman is in really a METAHUMAN. His uncanny power is an intelligence disrupting field, affecting anyone in close proximity, turning them into drooling ******s. That's the only explanation for other charactesr acting so damn out of character whenever Batman is around them!

Superman: Great Krypton, I'm going to fight Batman in a few secs inside this abandoned warehouse. Oh, my X-Ray vision reveals to me that it's completely sealed with lead, I can't see a thing. Yet I will go down and land just right in front of Bruce so he can slugger me with his Kryptonite device of the week, yeah George that's what I'm gonna do, Uh-Huh

Batman: Stupidity waves for the win!

 

[teseract]

It’s like arguing that it’s unrealistic for 300 Spartan soldiers to stand up to over a million Persian warriors and withstand them for so long

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

"[...]The Greeks were represented by "three hundred Spartan armed men;[...]

A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I of Persia (Xerxes the Great) could pass[...]

The Persians succeeded in taking the pass but sustained heavy losses, extremely disproportionate to those of the Greeks. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army offered Athens the invaluable time to prepare for a decisive naval battle"

Hate to tell it to you, but it seems history disagrees with you.

 

[The Guard]

Agreed. Of course he needs to think 10 steps ahead to keep up with the League and he is the World's Greatest Detective, but when they make him so ridiculously smart and prepared that he becomes superhuman, it compromises the character, IMO.

How does showing that the character is very intelligent and strategically brilliant compromise the character?

The issue with that is that everyone else suddenly becomes a mouthbreathing moron, when standing next to Batman.

This is just not true.

Superman: Great Krypton, I'm going to fight Batman in a few secs inside this abandoned warehouse. Oh, my X-Ray vision reveals to me that it's completely sealed with lead, I can't see a thing. Yet I will go down and land just right in front of Bruce so he can slugger me with his Kryptonite device of the week, yeah George that's what I'm gonna do, Uh-Huh

How is this any different than Superman being tricked into succumbing to Kryptonite or getting beaten by anyone at any other point?

 

[teseract]

...Batman beating Superman/Darkseid/God/etc. in some respects has a certain David and Goliath aspect to it that people, not just comic book geeks mind you, but everyday movie going audience members love...

... Yep, and it also got the credibility of a used Car Salesman

 

[teseract]

How does showing that the character is very intelligent and strategically brilliant compromise the character?



This is just not true.

Of Course it is, everytime the Batgod plot device is used the other members of the JLA act like bloody rookies. Not to speak of the fact that they all know that Batman is resourceful yet when it comes to confrontations they all of a sudden magically forget that they should be cautious around him and just rush in blind and deaf, as if their intelligence has been suddenly reduced to the IQ of a pre-schooler.

How is this any different than Superman being tricked into succumbing to Kryptonite or getting beaten by anyone at any other point?

The difference is that it is happening with same characters again... and again... and again and... oh again. I mean either Superman is the biggest idiot on the planet or Bruce magically turns him into one, there is simply no other explanation except *gasp* BAD WRITING. The Überbat is simply put, BAD WRITTING! You want to know how a fight between Superman and Batman would go like if we keep the "invisible hand" of the writer away and make it credible? One maybe ONE time Batman would have an advantage because Superman wouldn't be prepared but after that he would pretty much be cautious and scan the whole surronding with his enhanced senses and if he notices even something slightly out of place he would develop a counter strategy, Superman has the power to defeat Bruce without even going near him if it would be necessairy and he would use that if he came to suspect Bruce has cooked up one of his little shemes again. That's what I mean with the stupidity Powers of Batman. The other characters are reduced to muscle machines without an once of brainpower or fighting strategy when confronted by him.

 

[Heretic]

... Yep, and it also got the credibility of a used Car Salesman

MY MOTHER SOLD USED CARS!

 

[teseract]

That's the point. Here's Darkseid...and here's how Batman beats him, and it's light years away from what people expect. That's good writing.

Nope, certainly not, it is only good writing when it doesn't stretch credibility to a point where the whole thing becomes a carricature of itself.

There is a pretty good rule of thumb to determine if something is credible or stretching it and that is "could it be parodied without much of an effort?" And lets be honest, prep-time Bat could be and has been. Bat shark repellant spray anyone?"

 

[teseract]

MY MOTHER SOLD USED CARS!

well, I hope she didn't sell them in a cheap suit and an oiled moustache, grinning as if she came from a rendevouz with the Joker.

 

[Heretic]

well, I hope she didn't sell them in a cheap suit and an oiled moustache, grinning as if she came from a rendevouz with the Joker.

Mother had...a problem...with facial hair growth...

 

[teseract]

Mother had...a problem...with facial hair growth...

Holy bearded woman, Batman!

 

[Heretic]

Holy bearded woman, Batman!

I'm glad that you recognize that my mother was a saint.

 

[teseract]

I'm glad that you recognize that my mother was a saint.

Raptor Jesus approves! t:

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I like that Batman is prepared, but sometimes they take it too far.

Just a few questions. Batman is supposed to know everybody's weakness, right? What's Wonder Woman's weakness? Isn't she immortal?

 

[The Guard]

Of Course it is, everytime the Batgod plot device is used the other members of the JLA act like bloody rookies.

This is not my experience. Can you provide me three examples of a time this happens?

Not to speak of the fact that they all know that Batman is resourceful yet when it comes to confrontations they all of a sudden magically forget that they should be cautious around him and just rush in blind and deaf, as if their intelligence has been suddenly reduced to the IQ of a pre-schooler.

Most of the confrontations with Batman and the JLA involve the other members of the JLA being mindcontrolled, so it 's not really them thinking clearly to begin with. But again, please provide an example or two of this phenomenon.

The difference is that it is happening with same characters again... and again... and again and... oh again.

Example?

I mean either Superman is the biggest idiot on the planet or Bruce magically turns him into one, there is simply no other explanation except *gasp* BAD WRITING.

An example, please. Of a situation where Batman has to outsmart Superman and Superman ends up looking like a moron.

You want to know how a fight between Superman and Batman would go like if we keep the "invisible hand" of the writer away and make it credible?

You want to know how long a concept like Batman lasts if we apply extreme realism, period? Not long. Again, usually when Bruce fights Superman he either A, has Kryptonite, or B, Superman is being mindcontrolled and not capable of thinking clearly.

Nope, certainly not, it is only good writing when it doesn't stretch credibility to a point where the whole thing becomes a carricature of itself.

It doesn't stretch credibility for Darkeid to stand down when Batman threatens Apokolips. That's very in character for Darkseid.

There is a pretty good rule of thumb to determine if something is credible or stretching it and that is "could it be parodied without much of an effort?" And lets be honest, prep-time Bat could be and has been. Bat shark repellant spray anyone?"[./quote]

See? You're proving my point for me. Being prepared has always been an aspect of the character. Prep time Batman is the most serious incarnation of it. If you don't like Batman being prepared, say so. But if you're whining because he's shown to have strategically thought out situations he's going into...that just makes no sense.

Just a few questions. Batman is supposed to know everybody's weakness, right? What's Wonder Woman's weakness? Isn't she immortal?

If you tie her up, she becomes powerless. That and her ego and emotions cause problems for her. She will not give up, and hates to lose.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I just wanna see Superman kick Batman's arse. It'd be a nice change.

 

[Obi-Ron]

If you tie her up, she becomes powerless. That and her ego and emotions cause problems for her. She will not give up, and hates to lose.

That sounds like Regular Woman to me.

 

[The Guard]

I just wanna see Superman kick Batman's arse. It'd be a nice change.

Since this is based off THE OMAC PROJECT, where Superman did just that, I'm betting we will.