Most overrated movie?

[Snow Queen]

Yeah... No. This is sophomoric elitism and nostalgia. Sorry. Money is in fact being put into quality pictures, and for the independent visions of all kinds of film makers, there are more ways than ever to get their vision created and distributed than ever before. What you are saying? It has been repeated often by film fans of a certain stripe for a long time, even in the supposed halcyon heydays of THE ENGLISH PATIENT and AMERICAN BEAUTY, both films I might add that in their time were called overrated by many even to this day.

Facts are if the films you find "obnoxious" were not being made it's still a stretch to assume that then those resources you think are being wasted on things you don't like would magically flow to stuff you do. They would go to whatever films the studios would think would make them some money back on their investment and it has been ever thus. It's shame that the public at large doesn't have the same taste you do. But that's life man.

In any case, quality films of all shapes, sizes, tones and content? Still being made today. Do the big budget films need to be reined in some when it comes to money? Sure, I can agree with that. But it's a pipe dream to think that cancelling the FAST AND FURIOUS type films of the world would automatically ensure that ten more BIRDMANs would get made and marketed. Just as it's seeing the past through rose tinted glasses to think that there are no quality films of the mainstream or art house variety being made.

I can't wait for 2025 when we talk about how awful film is now and how it was so great back in 2015.

 

[Deadshot]

Yeah... No. This is sophomoric elitism and nostalgia. Sorry. Money is in fact being put into quality pictures, and for the independent visions of all kinds of film makers, there are more ways than ever to get their vision created and distributed than ever before. What you are saying? It has been repeated often by film fans of a certain stripe for a long time, even in the supposed halcyon heydays of THE ENGLISH PATIENT and AMERICAN BEAUTY, both films I might add that in their time were called overrated by many even to this day.

Facts are if the films you find "obnoxious" were not being made it's still a stretch to assume that then those resources you think are being wasted on things you don't like would magically flow to stuff you do. They would go to whatever films the studios would think would make them some money back on their investment and it has been ever thus. It's shame that the public at large doesn't have the same taste you do. But that's life man.

In any case, quality films of all shapes, sizes, tones and content? Still being made today. Do the big budget films need to be reined in some when it comes to money? Sure, I can agree with that. But it's a pipe dream to think that cancelling the FAST AND FURIOUS type films of the world would automatically ensure that ten more BIRDMANs would get made and marketed. Just as it's seeing the past through rose tinted glasses to think that there are no quality films of the mainstream or art house variety being made.

Maybe they do. But it's not like they've got the chance to find out, since most of what they get shoved down their throats is stuff like Fast & Furious.

 

[CGHulk]

I can't wait for 2025 when we talk about how awful film is now and how it was so great back in 2015.

So basically you are saying we are in a decline? I can agree with that!

 

[redhawk23]

I think most people who hate Avatar and find it overrated seem to think that people who saw it and liked it were there for the story, they weren't. Most people knew it was nothing but Pocahontas in space but they went anyway for the 3D, which was not common at the time, and the impressive visuals and on b

There's also the matter that while it is a tad over-told, the story of Pocahontas isn't a bad story and in that film it wasn't poorly told. All the characters have identifiable motivations and events flow naturally from those that come before them. Its simple but effective.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm probably going to get crap for this.

For the past 10 years or so their really hasn't been any real memorable movies not on the level of a classic or a masterpiece. For years now the films that have been nominated for best picture would have never been nominated against the films that were nominated ten or more years ago. So many films from the past decade that has been recognized by the academy are only the films from the dying independent film market; which represent their anti big studio film that they just refuse to take seriously, for a good reason. Quality films aren't being made anymore because studios aren't putting their money into quality films like The English Patient or American Beauty or Road to Perdition. So in a sense films that are being nominated are below the academy's standard because the standard of filmmaking were it matters is now lower. Most movies today are overrated because money isnt being put into the right films, it's just being put into the loud obnoxious formulaic sequel crap that leaves you with that hollow feeling inside, hoping the sequel will fill you up like the original film did.

Most of the films nominated for the Oscars ever are not particularly well remembered and that even goes for the winners. When was the last time you watched Oliver! or How Green Was My Valley? Keep in mind the latter beat out Citizen Kane. The former won in a year in which 2001: A Space Odyssey wasn't even nominated.

Also, in the case of The English Patient and American Beauty, those films were produced independently. The trend of major studios bidding to distribute independently produced films has only grown, not decreased.

 

[Snow Queen]

So basically you are saying we are in a decline!

Not remotely what I was saying, but hope you're having fun twisting my statement to act like it's in support of your argument.

 

[spider-neil]

I thought Lost in Translation was tedious. I watched another movie romantic movie starring Scarlet Jo called 'Her' and this movie was way more engaging.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I thought Lost in Translation was tedious. I watched another movie romantic movie starring Scarlet Jo called 'Her' and this movie was way more engaging.

Totally agree about Lost in Translation. Boring as hell. I didn't give a sh** about anything or anyone in that movie. Sophia Coppola sucks as a director and it surprises me how long it took people to catch onto it.

Also, I found Inherent Vice a long, drawn-out waste of time. It seemed like Anderson was aping The Big Lebowski but the film wasn't half as clever or entertaining.

 

[Zantera]

I guess technically the opinions on it were fairly mixed, but I think the first The Amazing Spider-Man qualifies for me. It's not AS bad as TASM2, but I'd take Raimi's Spider-Man 3 over TASM1.

 

[Endeavor]

Interstellar.

I had my hopes up for that film and it was a total letdown.

 

[CGHulk]

Not remotely what I was saying, but hope you're having fun twisting my statement to act like it's in support of your argument.

I am!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Interstellar.

I had my hopes up for that film and it was a total letdown.

Same here.



That stupid 4D bookshelf ending.

 

[spider-neil]

Love Interstellar but even I will admit the sound editor needs to be whipped.

 

[Endeavor]

Same here.



That stupid 4D bookshelf ending.

Everything after they got to the wormhole was a mess. A planetary system with 3 stable orbits in the habitable zone, next to a black hole. yeah right... If they hadn't bragged about a scientifically accurate movie I would've maybe forgiven that. But there was so much more.
Not even the interpersonal relationships developments made sense. He's missed most of his kids' life and what does the guy do after getting back? Visits his daughter for less than 5 minutes and leaves before she dies AND never even asks about his son. Is he alive? Did he have more kids? He doesn't care, he goes back to look for his new woman. Blerg.

 

[Val_Zod]

I think it's important to note that OVERRATED does not in anyway mean, or equate to a bad film. I have often thought films that I think are generally overrated are still quality products or at least, far from being outright bad in my eyes. But to some, suggesting that something is overrated is akin to saying it just plain sucks and that's really not what I or I think a lot of people mean when they use the term.

Saying that... Batman 1989. It's enjoyable, works as a specific kind of adaptation of the comics, has an entertaining performance in Nicholson's Joker and admittedly has striking production design as envisioned by a talent like Burton... BUT... It's really no where near as "dark" or "brooding" as some say, and in many ways, outside of Keaton's performance, IS as camp in it's own 80's way as the West show was. Some say it's production design makes it timeless but the rest of the cast sans Keaton, again, and those sets and costuming actually make it a twee to un-serious for my tastes, though I adored the film when I was younger, by the time I was closing out of my teens the bloom had come off the rose. Again... It's still an entertaining ride and fun... But I tend to think it got WAY overpraised and frankly, I think it's influence over super heroes across multiple mediums was far too much for far too long.

I agree with your assessment of Batman 89 not being quite as strong a film as some claim, I disagree that it's place as a strong influence for future products should discarded. The aesthetic, and base of the film was intricate, and structure less barebones than most of the Superhero films that preceded it. The look and feel of the film helped give us arguably the greatest Superhero tv show imo with Batman TAS. Its success, which propelled a franchise through the 90s also gave enough credence for producers and studios to try legitimately at tackling comicbook movies again at the star of the millennium.

 

[Consona]

Blade Runner.

So empty and boring. It had interesting themes but they were not explored. I was expecting some deep and interesting dialogues or monologues, some philosophy, but I got none of those. The visuals were great, but that's that. I'm really disppointed.

Ex Machina was so much better.

 

[Schlosser85]

Titanic. I prefer Avatar.

 

[:eek:]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens can be added to the list of overrated movies.

 

[DarkKnight]

The Avengers, I think this is easily one of the most over rated CBM ever. Its not bad, I did enjoy the film. (I like AOU way better) but I don't get all the praise and glory that it gets.

 

[Frankeh]

Blade Runner.

So empty and boring. It had interesting themes but they were not explored. I was expecting some deep and interesting dialogues or monologues, some philosophy, but I got none of those. The visuals were great, but that's that. I'm really disppointed.

Ex Machina was so much better.

Yes. I agree! I mean, the visuals and the production design ARE all-time good, but it's way more of an action movie than I expected it to be. There are interesting themes there, but I don't feel the narrative explored them enough.

The "tears in the rain" monologue is good, but by that point I felt the movie hadn't earned that kind of emotional resonance.

 

[Consona]

The Avengers, I think this is easily one of the most over rated CBM ever. Its not bad, I did enjoy the film. (I like AOU way better) but I don't get all the praise and glory that it gets.

+1 on both things.

It's highly over-rated, it's one of the worst CBM films, imo, it lacks nearly everything I want from a good film and the first hour is unbearably boring.

And AoU was much much better film. So much better it's probably my favorite MCU film so far.
So both Avengers stand on the opposite side of MCU, which is interesting since they are created by the same guy.

Yes. I agree! I mean, the visuals and the production design ARE all-time good, but it's way more of an action movie than I expected it to be. There are interesting themes there, but I don't feel the narrative explored them enough.

The "tears in the rain" monologue is good, but by that point I felt the movie hadn't earned that kind of emotional resonance.

I was so looking forward to the "tears in the rain" monologue.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate."

Empty and boring like the majority of the film...

"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die."

This is the only good part, but nothing I'd fall off the chair because of how uber-deep it is... And that's the whole monologue...

The overall feeling is the film could have been about really deep stuff but instead it's just a missed opportunity.
In a fact I think with good writers Blade Runner 2 has a great potential to be a very interesting film.

 

[-Arya-]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens can be added to the list of overrated movies.

Agreed.

 

[Vaibow]

Good topic.

It's all subjective, dependant on so many conditions.

Ghostbusters, was lightning in a bottle, everything was right for it to be a success - however, if that exact same movie was released today, would it have the same effect on pop culture?Batman 89 was heralded due to the progression it took and made in the comic book world, just like superman before it.

But does it truly stand up against other films today?

If a film hits box office gold, there is a reason for that. Hype can see film over the line, such is human nature.

Blair Witch Project was a disappointment to me - i was around 16-17 at the time. If i watched it now, would it be the same?

This is too hard a question, wether films are over rated, but it all stems down to personal opinion.

The world is changing, everyone is frigging critic.

 

[Vaibow]

Agreed.

I don't think so, it was hugely anticipated and got so many people interested in seeing it. It had 30 years worth of marketing to use.

If the market wants it, it will make it a success.

 

[-Arya-]

I don't think so, it was hugely anticipated and got so many people interested in seeing it. It had 30 years worth of marketing to use.

If the market wants it, it will make it a success.

I'm not doubting its anticipation. TFA had a ton of hype behind it for a good reason, but the film itself does not warrant a 90+% RT score. I think people are more forgiving with their scores due to nostalgic reasons as opposed to looking at the movie from an outsiders perspective.