Movie bosses messing things up....

[knightofistari]

So now I heard that Bond can't smoke at all, and probably won't be drinking martinis. Yet, he can kill people and have steamy sex scenes. Where is the line in Hollywood?

What the h*ll!!!

Next Wolverine will be on the patch and drinking V8.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel Comics has already decreed that Wolverine can no longer smoke cigars.

Even though alcohol or tobacco can cause no lasting or serious damage to him at all.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Stupid and pointless liberties being taken.

 

[super_fan]

It makes sense if you think about it. The vast majority of people that see violent action films don't want to copy them. Thank goodness for that. But it's more likely impressionable teenagers will see an action hero like Bond smoking and want to copy him. The Bond producers don't want to be seen encouraging people to smoke. Seems fair enough to me

I think if CR were a period Bond film it would make sense to show Bond smoking (would reflect Fleming's Bond) but these days I think it's reasonable to believe a modern Bond wouldn't smoke. Smoking isn't that fashionable - not like it used to be.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Smoking isn't fashionable? Nobody cares about its fashion status. We're angry at why the producers have ditched it and fashion has got nothing to do with it. They're scrapping it because smoking kills and they want to send such a message to the world. Its BS. Save the dos and donts for the pre-end credits of cartoon shows.

This makes no sense at all. Bond's been smoking for over 40 years on film but hey, lets have kill loads of people, break into his Boss' house and have sex with multiple women, I'm sure the feminists will give this a 2 thumbs up.

The reasons are lame, its a movie for goodness sake not a flippin documentary.

 

[Superman45]

Yea the movie bosses messed it up with not releaseing it in 2007 too.
I think a cigar every now and then would be cool. no cigarets. Maybe he shares one with a girl or somthing but no chain smoking.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why not cigarettes? Once again, Bond is fiendishly addicted to his ****.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Marvel Comics has already decreed that Wolverine can no longer smoke cigars.

Even though alcohol or tobacco can cause no lasting or serious damage to him at all.

I can understand this one though. Kids think Wolverine is cool and because of that they want to be just like him so they take up smoking. Well, now that I think about it, that's probably better than putting knives between your fingers and stabbing people.

 

[KingOfDreams]

I have to agree though, it's a bit hipocritical that they say no to tobacco and alcohol use but yes to lots of sex and violence.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think school shootings and youth violence are a bigger problem than youths smoking. But that's just me.

 

[The Trainman]

Yea the movie bosses messed it up with not releaseing it in 2007 too.
I think a cigar every now and then would be cool. no cigarets. Maybe he shares one with a girl or somthing but no chain smoking.

Leave it to rest. If you still can't get over it, watch the Italian trailer of the movie. I heard it's coming in 2007.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Why not cigarettes? Once again, Bond is fiendishly addicted to his ****.

Exactly! It was in the books and seeing connery ligt up his cig with his petrol lighter in Dr.No was beyond cool.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Leave it to rest. If you still can't get over it, watch the Italian trailer of the movie. I heard it's coming in 2007.

And atleast they can use '2 007' in the DVD marketing.

 

[OddBob]

So now I heard that Bond can't smoke at all, and probably won't be drinking martinis.

How is this "no martinis" rumor going around, when in the trailer we see him delivering lines while raising a martini to his lips?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

How is this "no martinis" rumor going around, when in the trailer we see him delivering lines while raising a martini to his lips?

I thought everyone knew that he aquires his love for martinis in Casino Royale?

 

[knightofistari]

How is this "no martinis" rumor going around, when in the trailer we see him delivering lines while raising a martini to his lips?

You see lots of things in trailers that aren't in the movie. Case in point the scene with Wolverine in X3 lecturing bobby about how people might die was not in the movie but in the trailer. It happens all the time.

anyways, the producers have stated Bond might not drink martinis due to a contract with Heineken which might mean he drinks nothing but Heineken lager. And they've already stated he can't smoke by cutting out all the smoking scenes.

To me this is ridiculous just like making Wolverine not smoke.

You can show any comic book/movie character drinking, killing people or in amorous affairs but you can't show them smoking.

I dunno, given the lesser of two evils, I'd rather my kids smoke a good cuban then kill people or sleep with multiple partners including married people.

 

[StrainedEyes]

You see lots of things in trailers that aren't in the movie. Case in point the scene with Wolverine in X3 lecturing bobby about how people might die was not in the movie but in the trailer. It happens all the time.

anyways, the producers have stated Bond might not drink martinis due to a contract with Heineken which might mean he drinks nothing but Heineken lager. And they've already stated he can't smoke by cutting out all the smoking scenes.

To me this is ridiculous just like making Wolverine not smoke.

You can show any comic book/movie character drinking, killing people or in amorous affairs but you can't show them smoking.

I dunno, given the lesser of two evils, I'd rather my kids smoke a good cuban then kill people or sleep with multiple partners including married people.

What the hell does it matter? Does him not smoking change anything at all? No it has nothing to do with anything. Just like his freakin' hair color. Who gives a rats ass? What purpose does him smoking state? What does that say about his character? That he's reckless and doesn't care about his health? I think everything else he does proves that point. Does it make him cool because he smokes? No he's cool because he is james bond.

If this were something like Constantine, i'd understand, smoking is a huge part of that character. But smoking has never played any important role to James Bond apart from him looking suave when he does so.


And it has been clearly stated that he won't drink martinis because he aquires the taste for them over the course of the movie. So he will drink them, but it won't be the primary drink of the movie.

 

[Agentsands77]

Listen guys, Bond *does* drink a martini in CASINO ROYALE. In fact, he drinks three. In each of these instances, the martini plays a crucial role in the film and is impossible to remove (the official site even takes note of its importance by having a whole feature that explains the significance martini - both in its creation by Ian Fleming and the significance it plays in Bond and Vesper's relationship). Bond not drinking a vodka martini is just a rumor without any validity.

Now, as to smoking, yes, smoking has been forbidden. Honestly, though, it's not the end of the world. *Most* of the Bond films haven't featured smoking. Is it hypocritical to say that smoking shouldn't be there on any moral grounding? Sure. But it's certainly not a particularly crucial item. A nice touch? Sure. Essential? No.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

your very protective of this film for some reason..

who are you? ...really.

 

[Agentsands77]

^^

your very protective of this film for some reason...

Just stating it as I see it. The number one thing I can't stand is misinformation, which I do seek to correct (and something like "Bond doesn't drink a martini" in CASINO ROYALE falls into that category). The rest of it is that I defend what I think is worthy of defense. We all defend what we care about, and since CASINO ROYALE seems to be the Bond film I've wanted for a long time, I'm going to defend it.

who are you? ...really.

A James Bond fan who's pretty intensely excited about CASINO ROYALE (judging from the cast and crew, screenplay, photos, trailers, and advance reviews -- obviously I have yet to see the film so I'm not giving it a full endorsement). That's all.

 

[knightofistari]

Listen guys, Bond *does* drink a martini in CASINO ROYALE. In fact, he drinks three. In each of these instances, the martini plays a crucial role in the film and is impossible to remove (the official site even takes note of its importance by having a whole feature that explains the significance martini - both in its creation by Ian Fleming and the significance it plays in Bond and Vesper's relationship). Bond not drinking a vodka martini is just a rumor without any validity.
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Bond not drinking martinis was posted on the home page of this very site, but it was stated as a maybe.

GEO7877 - "What the hell does it matter? Does him not smoking change anything at all? No it has nothing to do with anything. Just like his freakin' hair color. Who gives a rats ass? What purpose does him smoking state? What does that say about his character? That he's reckless and doesn't care about his health? I think everything else he does proves that point. Does it make him cool because he smokes? No he's cool because he is james bond."


I could ask you the same question "What the hell does it matter?"
It doesn't matter, EITHER way.
For James Bond I don't really care but it still doesn't make sense because as the actor himself pointed out he can do everything else in the world thats bad but they want to sensor his smoking because kids might be impressionable.
I'm sorry, I think we have more of a problem of school violence than underage smoking.

Besides, whats next with the sensorship? Soon all James Bond movies willl either be squeeky clean with no smoking, drinking or sex or violence? Or they will be rated R to accomadate.

 

[Agentsands77]

Bond not drinking martinis was posted on the home page of this very site, but it was stated as a maybe.

I was unaware of that fact. It's still wrong - Bond does drink in CASINO ROYALE (my original number was wrong - he drinks *four* martinis):

Spoiler

He orders one during the card game, detailing its ingredients as he does; this sparks dialogue about what he should name the martini which later comes back in the film.

Then, after things have taken a turn for the worse, he goes to the bar and orders one. The bartender asks him if he wants it shaken or stirred, to which he responds, "Do I look like I give a damn?"

He orders another during the course of the game, and it is subsequently poisoned and is the basis for a large sequence of the film with Bond nearly dying.

He orders the third during his dinner with Vesper, deciding to name it after her because, "after you've tasted it, it's all you want to drink."

 

[James"007"Bond]

does anyone know when or why Bond stopped slapping women. I always found it quite amusng to see Bond slap a woman across the face.

 

[Everyman]

Listen guys, Bond *does* drink a martini in CASINO ROYALE. In fact, he drinks three. In each of these instances, the martini plays a crucial role in the film and is impossible to remove (the official site even takes note of its importance by having a whole feature that explains the significance martini - both in its creation by Ian Fleming and the significance it plays in Bond and Vesper's relationship). Bond not drinking a vodka martini is just a rumor without any validity.

Now, as to smoking, yes, smoking has been forbidden. Honestly, though, it's not the end of the world. *Most* of the Bond films haven't featured smoking. Is it hypocritical to say that smoking shouldn't be there on any moral grounding? Sure. But it's certainly not a particularly crucial item. A nice touch? Sure. Essential? No.

Agreed on alla ccount. And furthermore, it is conceivable that M forbids 00 agents to smoke so they can stay in good shape and not cough their lungs out on a mission.

 

[Fried Gold]

Anyone who takes up smoking in an attempt at looking cool by emulating TV or movie characters, deserves to have their lungs eaten from the inside out as a consequence.

The rest of us, ie those in the real world, are secure enough to be able to watch any sort of act presented within fictionalized media without wanting to jump out of a moving vehicle, rugby tackle an asian gangster, and then proceed to beat him to bloody pulp whilst puffing on our Malboros.