MTV developing Scream series

[Sithborg]

Because jumping right back into a killer on an obvious killing spree is a little too much of a retread. A tv series has to run a bit differently. Sure, it isn't high quality, but I did get to liking the characters and am interested with the change of pace this season compared to last.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The problem is most of these characters are bland and uninteresting as hell. Emma, Kiernan, Brooke... I just don't care about them. They're pretty much tropes and the things the Scream films would have made fun of. If you're gonna take more time, at least have interesting characters. Noah and Audrey are the only interesting ones at least with the most personality. Would have been nice to just start the show with a different cast except Noah and Audrey where they go away to college or something.

It'd be cool if they killed off Emma to really shake things up but they wouldn't go that far. She's too good looking and bland for MTV. I mean would anybody miss her? It'd be a time where the trope of killing off past survivors in the beginning of a new horror story would be welcome.

 

[Matt]

I would be shocked if [blackout]the sheriff[/blackout] was not involved with the original murders. I am not sure that he is this season's killer. But there is definitely something up with him.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, [BLACKOUT]he and Emma's dad[/BLACKOUT] probably know a bit more about the original Branden James murders. I actually could see [BLACKOUT]the sheriff came back because Piper had figured it out somehow, to cover his tracks, while his son goes about messing with Audrey, being a chip off the old block.[/BLACKOUT] Fun theory.

I am enjoying the switch of the killer's focus. Torturing Audrey instead of Emma. Plus, it is interesting to see just how much she may have been involved in the killings. Her nearly bashing in Noah's head was very telling.

Although, here's hoping Noah has a better time with dating this time.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, [BLACKOUT]he and Emma's dad[/BLACKOUT] probably know a bit more about the original Branden James murders. I actually could see [BLACKOUT]the sheriff came back because Piper had figured it out somehow, to cover his tracks, while his son goes about messing with Audrey, being a chip off the old block.[/BLACKOUT] Fun theory.

I am enjoying the switch of the killer's focus. Torturing Audrey instead of Emma. Plus, it is interesting to see just how much she may have been involved in the killings. Her nearly bashing in Noah's head was very telling.

Although, here's hoping Noah has a better time with dating this time.

Good theory.

I too am intrigued by what exactly Audrey's role was. She was willing to bash Noah in the head (and presumably bludgeon him to death) but at the same time, she was willing to risk blowing her cover by calling 911 from her cellphone, to save Emma. Granted, calling 911 isn't necessarily going to get her caught, but it will result in phone records and old texts being searched. It would take her down a rabbit hole that would likely result in at least some information coming out about her. So why risk it? Why is she willing to kill Noah herself but not sacrifice Emma? Is Audrey in love with Emma? Was her entire motive for helping Piper to bring her and Emma closer? What is her end game?

 

[Jostru]

Okay, top 3 after this week's episode:

1. [BLACKOUT]The sheriff. Same as previous weeks. As I suggested after episode 1, I think he was definitely involved in the killings from all those years ago. He could have lured Emma's dad back to town with the fake e-mails to finish the job.[/BLACKOUT]
2. [BLACKOUT]Kieran's cousin. As I said after episode 2, there's something up with his dad. I'm gonna stick with Brandon James' brother being his dad. For now.[/BLACKOUT]
3. [BLACKOUT]The new teacher. Just sticking with her because of the lack of other real suspects.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Matt]

Okay, top 3 after this week's episode:

1. [BLACKOUT]The sheriff. Same as previous weeks. As I suggested after episode 1, I think he was definitely involved in the killings from all those years ago. He could have lured Emma's dad back to town with the fake e-mails to finish the job.[/BLACKOUT]
2. [BLACKOUT]Kieran's cousin. As I said after episode 2, there's something up with his dad. I'm gonna stick with Brandon James' brother being his dad. For now.[/BLACKOUT]
3. [BLACKOUT]The new teacher. Just sticking with her because of the lack of other real suspects.[/BLACKOUT]

I wouldn't rule out Emma's father just yet. The way he beat the hell out of that bouncer is certainly indicative of having strength and training needed to kill. We know from season one that Brandon James probably didn't actually kill those people years ago. Its not illogical to think that the real killer is this season's killer. It would explain the focus on Audrey. She was working with Piper, as such she is in the best position to know that Brandon James was innocent. The killer is probably there to clean up that loose end and cover any remaining tracks. This timing makes daddy's reappearance all the more convenient.

I could see him having a Billy/Stu type of plan, only having succeeded where they failed. He killed the people years ago, set himself up to look like the victim/sole survivor and framed Brandon James (just as Billy and Stu intended to frame Sidney's father). The only difference is, he succeeded. But it haunted him, so he drank and drove himself into continued madness until he finally abandoned his family when he sensed his inner-demons returning and lost control over it (evidenced by him hitting Emma's mom).

Of course, for that theory to hold water, there has to be a second killer as someone was in the motel room with Emma, sending the video chat to Audrey. Maybe the sheriff's son? The sheriff and Mr.Duvall go back, so his son would and Mr. Duvall would be able to know one another without arousing suspicion if the sheriff and Mr. Duvall maintained their friendship (the episode was ambiguous to this matter, but they seemed to be on friendly terms).

The big knock on this theory is that it would be another season in which the killer is related to Emma by blood.

 

[Sithborg]

Good theory.

I too am intrigued by what exactly Audrey's role was. She was willing to bash Noah in the head (and presumably bludgeon him to death) but at the same time, she was willing to risk blowing her cover by calling 911 from her cellphone, to save Emma. Granted, calling 911 isn't necessarily going to get her caught, but it will result in phone records and old texts being searched. It would take her down a rabbit hole that would likely result in at least some information coming out about her. So why risk it? Why is she willing to kill Noah herself but not sacrifice Emma? Is Audrey in love with Emma? Was her entire motive for helping Piper to bring her and Emma closer? What is her end game?

Yeah, I'm feeling the bit about the unrequited love angle. I can see her initially contacting Piper for Emma. But then the whole video of her and her girlfriend is released, which sort of set into motion the events. The question is, who was the one to think up the killings, Piper or Audrey. There is still enough we don't know that Audrey could still be relatively innocent, just got caught up in Piper's insanity.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm feeling the bit about the unrequited love angle. I can see her initially contacting Piper for Emma. But then the whole video of her and her girlfriend is released, which sort of set into motion the events. The question is, who was the one to think up the killings, Piper or Audrey. There is still enough we don't know that Audrey could still be relatively innocent, just got caught up in Piper's insanity.

That's the million dollar question. I think covering up Jake's death and her willingness to bludgeon Noah (I can't think of any context in which that was anything but what it appeared to be) kind of precludes her being totally innocent at this point, but I do think she may simply be someone who got in over her head and is not a vicious killer like Piper. In fact, with the body count of season one being relatively low, there is a very real possibility that the only person she killed is Piper.

Of course, if that is the case, we do know that she at least assisted Piper at times. Piper and the killer were seen together, so it must've been Audrey under the mask, helping Piper carry out the murders...unless Piper had a second accomplice.

 

[Matt]

Well, **** certainly got real last night. Good episode. Next one looks really good.

The Sheriff was my top suspect going into last night. Now I'm not too sure. Why go to Jake's house if you know he isn't there (as the killer would)? Just lie and say you went. Same with searching his son's room. If he knows his son isn't the killer, why snoop around?

His actions aren't exactly consistent with that of the killer.

That said, wasn't it convenient that Emma's mom was out of town?

 

[Jostru]

Liked the hallucination in the woods and the killer "screwing" with Audrey. The ending was great. Now that the cat's out of the bag, the murders can finally start dropping big time. Very excited for next week's episode!

Top 3 suspects after episode 4:
1. [BLACKOUT]The sheriff. This episode tried to get him off the list, but I'm not buying it. Him going to Jake's house doesn't mean he didn't know he is dead. Lying about going is too risky and makes him suspicious. Him finding the mask in his son's room doesn't rule him out either. It's obvious Gustavo has some weird obsession with the killings from season 1. It could just be a replica he has, just like fans from certain tv shows have replicas. Or maybe it was Gustavo in the woods, trying to freak Emma out. Anyway, none of these things made me change my mind on the sheriff. He remains on top.[/BLACKOUT]
2. [BLACKOUT]Eli (Kieran's cousin). Further evidence he's a complete nut job.[/BLACKOUT]
3. [BLACKOUT]Haley (the new girl). Yeah, something's really off about her.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Matt]

Liked the hallucination in the woods and the killer "screwing" with Audrey. The ending was great. Now that the cat's out of the bag, the murders can finally start dropping big time. Very excited for next week's episode!

Top 3 suspects after episode 4:
1. [BLACKOUT]The sheriff. This episode tried to get him off the list, but I'm not buying it. Him going to Jake's house doesn't mean he didn't know he is dead. Lying about going is too risky and makes him suspicious. Him finding the mask in his son's room doesn't rule him out either. It's obvious Gustavo has some weird obsession with the killings from season 1. It could just be a replica he has, just like fans from certain tv shows have replicas. Or maybe it was Gustavo in the woods, trying to freak Emma out. Anyway, none of these things made me change my mind on the sheriff. He remains on top.[/BLACKOUT]
2. [BLACKOUT]Eli (Kieran's cousin). Further evidence he's a complete nut job.[/BLACKOUT]
3. [BLACKOUT]Haley (the new girl). Yeah, something's really off about her.[/BLACKOUT]

I am starting to suspect Kieran. He has been too perfect and there is a reason that he has some obsession with attracting no attention to himself or what is going on (look at how pissed off he was at Eli for arranging a party, staying out late, etc). I am starting to think Piper may have had a second accomplice who was actually helping her carry out the murders (where as Audrey was someone who just corresponded with her and then got in over her head, sat on information, etc). If that's the case, I think it is Kieran. I think Eli is being set up as a bait and switch. He comes off as a creepy trouble maker, but will ultimately save the day, a Cotton Weary type of character, if you will.

 

[Jostru]

I am starting to suspect Kieran. He has been too perfect and there is a reason that he has some obsession with attracting no attention to himself or what is going on (look at how pissed off he was at Eli for arranging a party, staying out late, etc). I am starting to think Piper may have had a second accomplice who was actually helping her carry out the murders (where as Audrey was someone who just corresponded with her and then got in over her head, sat on information, etc). If that's the case, I think it is Kieran. I think Eli is being set up as a bait and switch. He comes off as a creepy trouble maker, but will ultimately save the day, a Cotton Weary type of character, if you will.

I was thinking the exact same thing about Kieran. The way he passed out after being drugged seemed kind of odd. He could easily have set all this up. He knew Eli would pull this kind of **** if he hammered on wanting to be alone. He only needed to plant the drugs himself and watch everything unfold. It seemed very convenient of him to put Eli in a bad daylight SECONDS before passing out. After that, all he had to do was slip out of the window and put on the mask to attack Emma. Not to mention Emma's dreams trying very hard to cement Kieran as a future victim. It seems very fishy.

Also, he arrived in town at the same time as Piper and probably picked up some skills from his dad. It's also been made clear the new killer knows Audrey well enough to figure out what she'll do next. Reading the correspondence between Piper and her doesn't seem to cover everything the killer knows about Audrey. Kieran, having been around to witness Audrey's actions during the events of season 1 and kind of befriending her between the seasons, would fit the bill. His motive however, isn't really clear to me. Was he secretly Piper's boyfriend? Is he related to Brandon James after all, making it so the old woman was actually telling the truth?

Hopefully everything gets in a higher gear now the killer revealed himself to the world.

 

[Matt]

I was thinking the exact same thing about Kieran. The way he passed out after being drugged seemed kind of odd. He could easily have set all this up. He knew Eli would pull this kind of **** if he hammered on wanting to be alone. He only needed to plant the drugs himself and watch everything unfold. It seemed very convenient of him to put Eli in a bad daylight SECONDS before passing out. After that, all he had to do was slip out of the window and put on the mask to attack Emma. Not to mention Emma's dreams trying very hard to cement Kieran as a future victim. It seems very fishy.

Also, he arrived in town at the same time as Piper and probably picked up some skills from his dad. It's also been made clear the new killer knows Audrey well enough to figure out what she'll do next. Reading the correspondence between Piper and her doesn't seem to cover everything the killer knows about Audrey. Kieran, having been around to witness Audrey's actions during the events of season 1 and kind of befriending her between the seasons, would fit the bill. His motive however, isn't really clear to me. Was he secretly Piper's boyfriend? Is he related to Brandon James after all, making it so the old woman was actually telling the truth?

Hopefully everything gets in a higher gear now the killer revealed himself to the world.

Yeah, everything about him is suddenly feeling a bit too convenient.

His motive would definitely be the million dollar question. He could just be a psychopath, like Mickey of Scream 2, but where's the fun in that?

I will say, I found it odd that Emma was not revolted by Eli basically making a move on her, from a story telling perspective. Emma has to be sympathetic to the audience, otherwise the story does not work. Cheating on her boyfriend who has been nothing but kind and understanding will not endear her to the audience. Unless there is something that makes it permissible in the eyes of the audience...like her boyfriend being a serial killer.

 

[Sithborg]

Caught up. Loved the episode. Especially the end with Jake.

I'm still leaning toward Stavo.

 

[cheungcheung]

Stravo isn't the killer. He's just a red herring.

 

[Doctor Jones]

They're really over doing it with the red herrings and suspicious people. It's gotten to the point where it's really comedic now. People like Eli and Stavos just looking creepy is stupid. This show so far has just gone off the rails. It's what I was afraid season one would be which was a nice and interesting enough mystery that kept you watching. Here things are draaaaging. The characters until now didn't know a killer was still out there while we did. It just made them look stupid and it stalled the plot. Nothing is happening in these past four episode until the end of this one. I felt like the first four episodes should have been crammed in for the first episode.

I'm only watching this because my girlfriend and I make it a thing to watch it every week but if it wasn't for that then I'd be done.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Is there not a new Scream on tonight? If there is then it isn't showing up in my dish guide.

 

[Sawyer]

I believe it will be airing Tuesdays at 10 now. No idea why it hasn't been there from the get-go.

 

[terry78]

As long as it don't interfere with my last few Royal Pains eps whatever.

 

[Sawyer]

Annoying girl: "ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE GONNA DIE BECAUSE OF YOU, EMMA!"
Emma: *slaps annoying girl*
Teacher: "OMG, Emma, you're so mentally unstable."

Speaking of which, I'm kind of starting to suspect that annoying girl might be in on this.

 

[Matt]

Annoying girl: "ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE GONNA DIE BECAUSE OF YOU, EMMA!"
Emma: *slaps annoying girl*
Teacher: "OMG, Emma, you're so mentally unstable."

Speaking of which, I'm kind of starting to suspect that annoying girl might be in on this.

If Emma really did see the killer then that narrows our suspects considerably (as a good deal of them have alibis). But she could've been delusional. Hard to say.

As for Cleavy McCleavage, I am going back and forth as to whether she is an actual Debbie Salt type suspect or just being set up as killer fodder. Right now I am leaning toward the latter as I think others will suspect Emma before all is said and done this season (at least that angle seemed to be hinted at during the sheriff and deputy's conversation) and killing the girl Emma publicly slapped would certainly turn attention to her.

Kieran is still my number one suspect. Emma knew about the gun ("they found your gun!?"), so why not tell her that was in the locker to begin with? I think he had something else in there.

 

[The Shape]

This was a pretty solid episode.

 

[Matt]

It was, but at the same time, looking at it in the grand scheme of things, it should've come an episode earlier. We're 5 episodes into a 12 episode season. Its moving too slowly. It really needs to pick up the pace a bit. Nearly half way through the season before the characters realize there is a second killer is a bit too long.

 

[The Shape]

They definitely need to pick up the death toll, which I think will happen moving forward now, but I think the pace has been fine so far and I'm enjoying how the mystery is unraveling this season compared to last season. There's been more psychological torment than physical torment thus far, in terms of how Audrey and Emma are being taunted.

Also, I like how this season has made it seem that virtually everyone is a potential suspect and things could really go any which way at this point. As per typical 'Scream' fashion, there are clearly some really overt 'red herrings' pertaining to some characters, but it's still impossible to pinpoint what's really going on and who's behind everything based on what we know so far.

Obviously, the main reason that some people might feel the pace has been slow is that this is a TV show mystery which must be stretched and milked over 12 episodes, which naturally means there will be more filler aspects/moments/subplots than desired. However, I haven't found this season to be boring.

Watching this week's and last week's episodes, I was thinking about how something similar to this week's storyline would have been perfect for an actual 'Scream' movie.