Munich: Steven Spielberg & 911.

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Has anyone else seen Munich? if you haven't. Go rent it now.
This film is magnificent. Not because, it's violent or different from anything Steven has ever done. But because of the message..Basically, it's saying that your enemy has a reason to attack..That we are all human and do mistakes..it teaches us that Palestinians had a reason to attack the Olympic atlethes in Israel. It's the war between palestine and Israel. And so recently, there have been more attacks..

This was a philosophical study of human hate, war and terrorism. Both sides have valid reasons to attack..to kill. Both sides think they are right and both sides do what they must, to seek revenge..

We can see from the movie that when you take down a leader, someone has to replace him..so it's an ongoin war that you can never win.

At the end of the film, We see the twin towers in New York on the background. Obviously this was intentional.

Munich is Steven's view on the Sep. 11 attacks and his reasoning to understand why we got attacked that day..the Israelis represent Americans and Palestinians represent the Afganistan terrorists.

I wonder if any of you seen the movie too and came to this conclusion? Now that Sep 11 is here..sounds like a good subject to talk about.


StarWarsAgent.
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Munich is Steven's view on the Sep. 11 attacks and his reasoning to understand why we got attacked that day..the Israelis represent Americans and Palestinians represent the Afganistan terrorists.

no, Spielberg is not even close to that dumb or simplistic. He has a nuanced view on both issues like any other informed person.

That being said, Munich > Brokeback > Crash
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Has anyone else seen Munich? if you haven't. Go rent it now.
This film is magnificent. Not because, it's violent or different from anything Steven has ever done. But because of the message..Basically, it's saying that your enemy has a reason to attack..That we are all human and do mistakes..it teaches us that Palestinians had a reason to attack the Olympic atlethes in Israel. It's the war between palestine and Israel. And so recently, there have been more attacks..

This was a philosophical study of human hate, war and terrorism. Both sides have valid reasons to attack..to kill. Both sides think they are right and both sides do what they must, to seek revenge..

We can see from the movie that when you take down a leader, someone has to replace him..so it's an ongoin war that you can never win.

At the end of the film, We see the twin towers in New York on the background. Obviously this was intentional.

Munich is Steven's view on the Sep. 11 attacks and his reasoning to understand why we got attacked that day..the Israelis represent Americans and Palestinians represent the Afganistan terrorists.

I wonder if any of you seen the movie too and came to this conclusion? Now that Sep 11 is here..sounds like a good subject to talk about.


StarWarsAgent.

You need to learn something about Sept. 11th.

Go google Loose Change 2nd Edition, In Plane Site, and TerrorStorm. Then do some research and ask yourself more questions.
 
Munich was a beautiful film. It captured the style of the French Connection with a more modern feel, and even though it dragged at certain parts, it still had enough drive and story to pull it through.
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Has anyone else seen Munich? if you haven't. Go rent it now.
This film is magnificent. Not because, it's violent or different from anything Steven has ever done. But because of the message..Basically, it's saying that your enemy has a reason to attack..That we are all human and do mistakes..it teaches us that Palestinians had a reason to attack the Olympic atlethes in Israel. It's the war between palestine and Israel. And so recently, there have been more attacks..

This was a philosophical study of human hate, war and terrorism. Both sides have valid reasons to attack..to kill. Both sides think they are right and both sides do what they must, to seek revenge..

We can see from the movie that when you take down a leader, someone has to replace him..so it's an ongoin war that you can never win.

At the end of the film, We see the twin towers in New York on the background. Obviously this was intentional.

Munich is Steven's view on the Sep. 11 attacks and his reasoning to understand why we got attacked that day..the Israelis represent Americans and Palestinians represent the Afganistan terrorists.

I wonder if any of you seen the movie too and came to this conclusion? Now that Sep 11 is here..sounds like a good subject to talk about.


StarWarsAgent.

:whatever:

I think you should watch the film again.
 
ROBOCOP CPU001 said:
err.

no.

You have made something that isn't there.


Something that isn't there? It IS there, but just not apparent to the usual viewer. You have to be kinda smart to get the idea.

facts.

1. The film is about terrorism.
2. 11 Men are killed. on september, 9-11
3. "Black September" is mentioned about 6 times in the movie.
4. The terrorists are Arabs.
5. The Twin towers are shown at the end of the film.


It's about Sep 11. but morphed into another terrorist attack..the same principles apply to the Munich attack..How can you all not see this?

Plus, if you see the DVD Steven Spielberg himself says in the introduction that we can learn alot from the movie about terrorists. And how it could relate to 911..so there, the facts are settled.
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Did you get a High School diploma saying utter crap?

keep your cool. man. don't back done. These people just want to get you all jacked up, so that you make a a** out of yourself. Don't let that happen dog.

Remember a majority of these morons have Snakes On A Plane as film of the year.
 
Maximum_Carnage said:
keep your cool. man. don't back done. These people just want to get you all jacked up, so that you make a a** out of yourself. Don't let that happen dog.

Remember a majority of these morons have Snakes On A Plane as film of the year.


I guess You're right. that guy wanted to make it another Star Wars dicussion. I'll try to keep my cool :)
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Something that isn't there? It IS there, but just not apparent to the usual viewer. You have to be kinda smart to get the idea.

No the message of the film is quite clear. Anyone with half-a-brain can figure it out.

facts.

1. The film is about terrorism.

Or more importantly, a magnified and deeper look into the nature of the ongoing Israeli-Palestenian conflict.

2. 11 Men are killed. on september, 9-11

That's because 11 men WERE killed in the 1970s Munich olympics. And if you didn't know, it DID in fact happen. The film is representing facts, not making a vague connection to September 11.

3. "Black September" is mentioned about 6 times in the movie.

And that's because "Black September" WAS in fact the real name of the group that attacked the Israeli atheletes. September 11 has nothing to do with.

4. The terrorists are Arabs.

Or more specifically, Palestenians.

5. The Twin towers are shown at the end of the film.

That's because the film is based in the 70s and the Twin Towers hadn't been destroyed yet. D'uh.

It's about Sep 11. but morphed into another terrorist attack..the same principles apply to the Munich attack..How can you all not see this?

No, it's about the decades old Israeli-Palestenian conflict. The film uses a real-life event (the 1970's Munich Olympic massacre of Israeli atheletes) and proceeds to tell a pseudo-fictionalized account of the Israeli response. That's about it in a nutshell, of course there is SO MUCH MORE to it than that but unfortunately I don't have the time to go into the finer details right now.

Plus, if you see the DVD Steven Spielberg himself says in the introduction that we can learn alot from the movie about terrorists. And how it could relate to 911..so there, the facts are settled.

Umm, terrorism DID exist BEFORE 9/11 chum.
 
Man, You guys are really hard to convince...This is NOT a theory of any sort. I know the killing did happen...I followed this movie since it opened..I know It actually took place..when did I say It was fiction? I've seen the making of the film, i've heard Steven compare this movie to recent terrorists attacks like 911.

And yes the film was about the Israel-Palestinian conflict..I know exactly what the movie is about..but you guys are not understanding what I am saying...Steven was smart to use a terrorist attack (not being 911) and make it into a movie to prove a point..If he made the movie about 911 he would have been bashed and most likely tortured by hollywood.

He took the Sep 11 idea..transformed it into a different terrorit attack that happened in 1972 and made the same point..being that terrorists have a reason to do what they do..if you remember the safe house scene..you see both sides being equal..the palestenian saying " he is doing it for his family and his home" and The Israeli saying the same thing..meaning that they are both put into these consequences and that it's not their fault that they hate eachother but that the events made them enemies and each of them has a goal to accomplish..

basically, the movie is like our situation..we got attacked by terrorists, we acted on it and got Saddam Hussein. both sides are fighting for what they believe is right, and no one is going to win, because they are always replacements..The idea is that terrorism comes from someone hating someone else and acting upon it, and the terrorism comes from both sides..

Steven is an artist..he used another event to prove his point about 911..without getting caught..he is a master at what he does..

Only those of us, who are enlighted, will understand what his movie really is about..
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Something that isn't there? It IS there, but just not apparent to the usual viewer. You have to be kinda smart to get the idea.

facts.

1. The film is about terrorism.
2. 11 Men are killed. on september, 9-11
3. "Black September" is mentioned about 6 times in the movie.
4. The terrorists are Arabs.
5. The Twin towers are shown at the end of the film.

*Head explodes*

Great... I just had that replaced :o
 
Maximum_Carnage said:
So this happened in 1972?

Yeah, it's during the Olympics. 11 israeli athletes are taken hostage..and apparently killed by the terrorists for no reason at all. The news doesn't give a specific reason, just blames the palestinians.


But later at the end of the movie you realize that the palestinian kidnappers weren't planning to kill the hostages..they put them all in a helicopter and before they get ready to take off, snipers attack from towers at the airport and kill many of them, causing the others to get angry and finally kill the hostages..
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Yeah, it's during the Olympics. 11 israeli athletes are taken hostage..and apparently killed by the terrorists for no reason at all. The news doesn't give a specific reason, just blames the palestinians.


But later at the end of the movie you realize that the palestinian kidnappers weren't planning to kill the hostages..they put them all in a helicopter and before they get ready to take off, snipers attack from towers at the airport and kill many of them, causing the others to get angry and finally kill the hostages..

Stop posting. Please for the love of God... Stop posting :(
 
The only thing they have in common is that they are both terrible incidents that happened,Spileberg isn't using it to talk about 9/11 he is telling the story of what happened in 72,any parallel are just sad coincidence and an indictment of the fact the world isn't getting any better
 
hunter rider said:
The only thing they have in common is that they are both terrible incidents that happened,Spileberg isn't using it to talk about 9/11 he is telling the story of what happened in 72,any parallel are just sad coincidence and an indictment of the fact the world isn't getting any better

I don't know if you could say it's a coincidence..but I guess you could..If you look at the dvd intro..he kinda compares the recent attacks to his movie. The whole point of the movie, other than the disciplines of operatives is that revenge is never a good thing..because the movie comes from a book by the same name about the events..I just found it odd that the film ends with a clear shot of the WTC towers on the back there...But I get what you are saying..to this day, they are still fighting..
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Something that isn't there? It IS there, but just not apparent to the usual viewer. You have to be kinda smart to get the idea.

facts.

1. The film is about terrorism.
2. 11 Men are killed. on september, 9-11
3. "Black September" is mentioned about 6 times in the movie.
4. The terrorists are Arabs.
5. The Twin towers are shown at the end of the film.


It's about Sep 11. but morphed into another terrorist attack..the same principles apply to the Munich attack..How can you all not see this?

Plus, if you see the DVD Steven Spielberg himself says in the introduction that we can learn alot from the movie about terrorists. And how it could relate to 911..so there, the facts are settled.



good god.

:whatever:
 
StarWarsAgent said:
Something that isn't there? It IS there, but just not apparent to the usual viewer. You have to be kinda smart to get the idea.

facts.

1. The film is about terrorism.
2. 11 Men are killed. on september, 9-11
3. "Black September" is mentioned about 6 times in the movie.
4. The terrorists are Arabs.
5. The Twin towers are shown at the end of the film.


It's about Sep 11. but morphed into another terrorist attack..the same principles apply to the Munich attack..How can you all not see this?

Plus, if you see the DVD Steven Spielberg himself says in the introduction that we can learn alot from the movie about terrorists. And how it could relate to 911..so there, the facts are settled.

Um, you do realise that all of the things you listed... are actually how it occured in real life?:huh:

Like, Spielberg didn't just make up that 11 people died, nor did he make up the terrorist organisation Black September. And the Black September WAS made up primarily of Arabs.

You're not drawing symbols from the film. You're drawing connections between the two events. They are no more connected to the movie's theme than any other coincidences between real events.

Are you joking with us, or are you being serious?:huh:
 
JLBats said:
Um, you do realise that all of the things you listed... are actually how it occured in real life?:huh:

Like, Spielberg didn't just make up that 11 people died, nor did he make up the terrorist organisation Black September. And the Black September WAS made up primarily of Arabs.

You're not drawing symbols from the film. You're drawing connections between the two events. They are no more connected to the movie's theme than any other coincidences between real events.

Are you joking with us, or are you being serious?:huh:

Very serious batsy!

I want you all to read this interview by siegel..note I am not siegel..And note that Steven brings up the point about our current US problem


SPIEGEL: A sentence that is so programmatic, so fundamental, that it seems like a signal fire. Like an announcement of another act of terror that represents a turning point in world politics. In a long closing sequence you show the -- then still standing -- Twin Towers of Manhattan, implying that you see a link between September 5, 1972 in Munich and September 11, 2001 in New York.

Spielberg: I don't think that these acts can be compared in terms of their perpetrators. There is no connection between the Palestinian terror of that time and the al-Qaida terror of today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Jihadism have nothing to do with each other.

SPIEGEL: But there are obvious similarities in the aftermath of these terrorist attacks that shook the very foundations of Israel in 1972 and of the United States four and half years ago. The same basic questions arise: how much freedom should a democracy sacrifice in order to combat injustice and to provide greater protection for its citizens?

Spielberg: The film has already sparked off discussion in the USA about the Middle East and about the methods used today in the "war on terrorism" declared by George W. Bush ...

SPIEGEL: ... in which he repeatedly emphasizes that the enemy is evil incarnate and the enemies are not human beings. The effect of this dehumanization of terrorists ...

Spielberg: ... is that you also no longer have to treat them as humans.

SPIEGEL: You have frequently criticized the Bush administration.

Spielberg: I criticize the Iraq war, the restrictions placed on citizens' freedom. I criticize it because I love my country.

SPIEGEL: How would you describe your attitude to Israel?

Spielberg: From the day I started to think politically and to develop my own moral values, from my earliest youth, I have been an ardent defender of Israel. As a Jew I am aware of how important the existence of Israel is for the survival of us all. And because I am proud of being Jewish, I am worried by the growing anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in the world. In my film I ask questions about America's war on terror and about Israel's responses to Palestinian attacks. If it became necessary, I would be prepared to die for the USA and for Israel.



You see? he is on the US and Israel's side..I told you all that Israel represented the US in the movie.
 
...That has nothing to do with what I just said:huh:
 

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