My re-edit of the first seven minutes of 'X3'

[the a1ant]

I like your edit so far , but I think Angel should stay in the film. One of my favorite scenes was when he came to the Xavier school and Storm felt the need to keep the school open, after he came in. It was a powerful scene, and while the character didn't accomplish much at all in this film, he added something special to that scene

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

trhumbs... DOWN

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes, allegorically, symbolically, he may have represented those things -- of course, one could say that those feelings were encapsulated within Magneto's idealisms and something any regular person could decipher without the Angel character.

His character was horribly constructed. He began great (his scene with his father) but he got literally no development past that. Why was he hesitant towards taking the cure? Because it was "what [his father wanted]?" Bull****. That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard, albeit entirely predictable (so much that my two friends in the theater actually said that bit outloud before Angel even said it, making a group around us laugh). We get a little itty bitty scene at the beginning, and wham, he's refusing the cure and off he goes.

Then, we don't see him until he arrives at the mansion, and then not again until he saves his Dad from those baddie muties. C'mon, for the love of god. His purpose was practically nonexistant. Why didn't he join the team at the end? Why didn't he have a voice for his own opinions? We only could allude to his position, everything else that you described it basically an opinion of you and not really an opinion of the character. We have no idea how Angel felt during the film, besided shown hesitancy towards the cure.

His deletion from the film didn't effect the story at all. You could easily have gotten that same metaphorical reasoning from Rogue, who had similiar issues with the cure. Angel was not neccessary.

I felt great empathy/resonance with that scene. Maybe it connects better with someone who's been in a similar situation. The adolescent pressured to wear 'proper' clothes and get home at a decent time, the gay teenager pressured to find a girlfriend, etc.... That's the family pressure angle.

Then when presented with the cure, he wonders 'what the hell am i doing'. There he is, strapped to a table, Dr Rao coming at him with a giant needle talking about the transformation being jarring, and he is aware he is to be an 'example' of the cure for his father's company. So we get a 'coming out' scene, a case of 'i am what i am'.... He want to make his own choices, live his own life.

He doesn't join the team because he hasn't had the necessary training.

I think we have a great idea of how he felt. Fans of Singer's understated style - in which emotion is there but you aren't bludgeoned over the head with it - should revel in Angel's scenes, where so much is implicit, non-verbal and not shouted at the audience.

 

[Seen]

I felt great empathy/resonance with that scene. Maybe it connects better with someone who's been in a similar situation. The adolescent pressured to wear 'proper' clothes and get home at a decent time, the gay teenager pressured to find a girlfriend, etc.... That's the family pressure angle.

I get the family pressue angle. I can resonate with that. But was it really a neccessity for the story? I mean, we got one scene. That was it. I doubt the audience really felt the point relayed. I sure didn't. I would've felt it more if the Angel/Warren Worthington characters were more pivotal and had more screentime. They were just a cliche, underused dysfunctional familial unit.

Then when presented with the cure, he wonders 'what the hell am i doing'. There he is, strapped to a table, Dr Rao coming at him with a giant needle talking about the transformation being jarring, and he is aware he is to be an 'example' of the cure for his father's company. So we get a 'coming out' scene, a case of 'i am what i am'.... He want to make his own choices, live his own life.

Besides being totally predictable and cliche, there's no follow-through for your theory. How does the ramifications affect his life after he makes his own choices and lives his own life? We don't know, because he just disappears and reappears for the convienence of the plot.

He doesn't join the team because he hasn't had the necessary training.

You could say the same for Wolverine in X-Men. But he joined the battle. We don't know that Angel could defend himself because we never got an understanding of the character enough to know.

I think we have a great idea of how he felt. Fans of Singer's understated style - in which emotion is there but you aren't bludgeoned over the head with it - should revel in Angel's scenes, where so much is implicit, non-verbal and not shouted at the audience.

It undoubtedly passed right by the audience. Angel's arc represented X3: a great concept, but no carry-through. Sure, the idea was present, but it never got explored. You call it understated, I call it underdeveloped.

 

[Seen]

Edit. Double Post.

 

[X-Maniac]

I get the family pressue angle. I can resonate with that. But was it really a neccessity for the story? I mean, we got one scene. That was it. I doubt the audience really felt the point relayed. I sure didn't. I would've felt it more if the Angel/Warren Worthington characters were more pivotal and had more screentime. They were just a cliche, underused dysfunctional familial unit.

To me it seemed necessary. We saw family reaction from Rogue's parents in X1 and Bobby's in X2. This was X3's version of that. The scene with Rogue's parents in X1 was very brief - we don't really know how her parents felt... next thing she is on the run (we don't really know why)....but it served a purpose of showing adolescents dealing with mutations in a family setting, it anchors the movie to the real world.

Besides being totally predictable and cliche, there's no follow-through for your theory. How does the ramifications affect his life after he makes his own choices and lives his own life? We don't know, because he just disappears and reappears for the convienence of the plot. .

The follow-through is that he turns up at the mansion with a suitcase. Therefore, he has left home, decided to live his own life, sought out somewhere where he will be accepted. And his appearance is pivotal to the school remaining open.

You could say the same for Wolverine in X-Men. But he joined the battle. We don't know that Angel could defend himself because we never got an understanding of the character enough to know..

Well, there does seem to be a training system at the school, to ensure teamwork etc. But, yes, Wolverine did get a uniform pretty quickly in X1. I wish Angel had been shown asking to go to Alcatraz and being given a uniform to wear....

It undoubtedly passed right by the audience. Angel's arc represented X3: a great concept, but no carry-through. Sure, the idea was present, but it never got explored. You call it understated, I call it underdeveloped.

I think the audience grasped it exactly - that he was symbolic of the cure storyline and mutants' fight for freedom/acceptance. This was only an introduction for the character. Hopefully we will see more in another movie.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Worse than the Fox cut. It being bootlegged didn't help either.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

not gonna count quality and bootleg, but u cut too much.

 

[WideAwake]

I am undecided whether Angel's scenes are unnessecary or not.
His origin scene gives Warren's dad a reason to develop a cure. Also, it's a great scene. The scene where he's about to get cured is good too. It's not explicitly stated why he doesn't want it, but we can guess: while his father has been obsessed with curing him, Angel learned to accept himself. This is a theme that runs through all X Men movies. In this case, you'll have to read between the lines.

After this scene, Angel hardly as anything to do that influences the plot. He gives Storm a reason to keep the school open, but that is something that could, or even should have been done without him: Xavier asked Storm to take over from him, that does not include shutting down the school and abondoning his ideals. This was her moment to step up. She even said so in the funeral scene.

Angel saving his dad came really out of the blue. I think that scene would've worked if he and his dad had a little moment afterwards, where his dad apologizes to him. After that, Angel could've helped out the X Men, even if it was just him helping to evacuate Alcatraz during Phoenix' destrusction. It would give him an arc, though a small one.

So, I think removing Angel from the movie wouldn't affect the story, but might affect the more emotional aspects of the cure.

Nell2ThaIzzay made some great points too.
I agree that Rogue being jealous of Bobby and Kitty starts in the Danger Room, but there is nothing done with it later on. It's only brought back in the iceskating scene, much later in the movie. I personally think that scene could be enough motivation for Rogue, since she already showed interest in the cure earlier on.

I agree with Seen that the Scott/Logan hallway scene shows enough of Scott's fall from responsibility.

It will be interesting to see where you're taking this, Seen. Keep us updated!

 

[Angamb]

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