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[KRYPTON INC.]

So with all of those burns I guess Red is who we all thought he was after all

Like I stated, I had to miss it. But, not knowing the context, the burns could just mean that Red was there when Liz was in that fire. Unless I see something to change my mind, I am leaning towards Liz having a direct connection to Red's wife (what do we know about her?) as a child she gave up, or a connection to Berlin, or a combo. The daddy thing? Maybe I don't want it because it's been done to death.

 

[kvz5]

I think Liz is Berlin's granddaughter. Or Red is responsible for whatever happened to Berlin's daughter. Maaaaybe...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Or maybe Berlin's daughter was Red's wife and she was Liz's mom, and they are all related to Rumple from OUaT, and this makes Liz, Neal's cousin, and Emma's neice and the reverse evil twin of Jean Grey from the alternate future where cyborgs control the Earth....

I'm sorry... I flaked out there for a minute.

 

[Marvolo]

Or maybe Berlin's daughter was Red's wife and she was Liz's mom, and they are all related to Rumple from OUaT, and this makes Liz, Neal's cousin, and Emma's neice and the reverse evil twin of Jean Grey from the alternate future where cyborgs control the Earth....

I'm sorry... I flaked out there for a minute.

 

[chamber-music]

Would you guys be disappointed if Reddington is Liz father?
I wouldn't but I wonder if other viewers would be.

 

[squeekness]

Like I stated, I had to miss it. But, not knowing the context, the burns could just mean that Red was there when Liz was in that fire. Unless I see something to change my mind, I am leaning towards Liz having a direct connection to Red's wife (what do we know about her?) as a child she gave up, or a connection to Berlin, or a combo. The daddy thing? Maybe I don't want it because it's been done to death.

This.

 

[Kaleb]

For some reason I found the finale very anti climatic.

Also

could Berlin be Lizzy's grandpa?

 

[Paradox1]

Would you guys be disappointed if Reddington is Liz father?
I wouldn't but I wonder if other viewers would be.

Not in the slightest, it just would explain so much about him and his obsession with her.

 

[kvz5]

Is Tom dead? I was doing something else but I think I caught the camera lingering on where he fell but I don't recall seeing his body.

I'm sticking with the popular theory that Berlin is Liz' grandfather and Red is her dad.

 

[chamber-music]

Tom is like a cockroach he is hard to kill.

 

[Kaleb]

Is Tom dead? I was doing something else but I think I caught the camera lingering on where he fell but I don't recall seeing his body.

I'm sticking with the popular theory that Berlin is Liz' grandfather and Red is her dad.

they hinted towards the end of the episode that Tom is still alive (his body was gone) when the FBI came into the room.

 

[Teelie]

I was surprised at who they killed in this episode. I didn't like they killed off some of them like Meera but I understand the need to do something so bold as to kill off regulars and recurring characters like that.

I think Red was there when Lizzy's father died but is not her father. That he has those burns to me means he saw her father die himself.

 

[MiffaLadd_]

I don't remember them ever doing *much* with Meera, it felt a little bit like them needing another female character as a regular. I didn't even recall she had kids until they showed the picture.

I enjoyed the episode. John Abruzzi loves cutting hands off.

 

[Teelie]

I wish she'd been more developed and she could have been next season. Instead they'll cast another woman to fill in the female regular and I'd be surprised if she is any better.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The finale felt rushed to me and it was obvious that the guy with the chopped off arm was Berlin as soon as he spun that mythic Keyser Soze story about Berlin's daughter being sent to him in pieces in a Siberian prison, and him breaking out with a knife made of his daughters bone.

With Meera killed off and Harper incapacitated I could see next season being a slimmed down team doing things more covertly, especially with Red no longer having his FBI. Maybe just Red, Lizzie, Ressler and the tech guy.

Lizzie also moved out so maybe she'll get some fresh digs.

I'm guessing Tom is still alive otherwise why bother disappearing his body? Plus he knows more about Berlin than anyone else on the show so I see him filtering back in next season caught between Red/Lizzie and Berlin.

As for Red and Berlin having the same pic of the same girl and Red having the burns? Not sure what to make of it, I feel like the writers maybe haven't decided yet either. Was it the same girl from the Ballet recital?

 

[chamber-music]

I don't remember them ever doing *much* with Meera, it felt a little bit like them needing another female character as a regular. I didn't even recall she had kids until they showed the picture.

I love me some Parminder Nagra but her character was the most expendable on the show so it didn't surprise me to see her get bumped off.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Lizzie's father is Hank Pym, which would then make her Jocasta and Red would be.... Ultron?

 

[kvz5]

So... what happened to Liz and Tom's dog?

 

[Teelie]

The dog was spying on both of them for another agency and reported to his true masters.

 

[chamber-music]

The dog is going to get revenge on Reddington for killing his brother 2 years ago.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For those inclined, please help me out in trying to clarify my thoughts.


Ok, so we see that the picture, or one of the pictures Red took from the Stewmaker is also the picture Berlin has in his pocket watch. Right here in this thread there was a comparison done and I could have sworn that the photo Red had looked like the imagined ballerina (Red's daughter I think most of us assumed) Red saw. So I thought, okay, Red's family's bodies were disposed of by the Stewmaker. Now we have that picture showing up in Berlin's watch and I don't know what to think. I can't really totally believe Berlin's story yet.

If he is telling the truth though, I have to wonder if his daughter was Red's wife. High ranking Naval Intel Officer? I could see circumstances playing out where a Russian dissident could meet and marry such a person, sure. Once Berlin escaped he may have found out that the daughter and her family was wiped out. Once Red surfaces as a criminal though Berlin could naturally believe Red had a hand in it all. Problem is it the same picture is of a young girl dead that both men have so, that theory is shakey to me. Not to mention, the things done to Berlin seem to be the resposibility of the Russian Govt./KGB/Military. So, why does he blame Red for what happened to his daughter? ? (Again, assuming there is any truth to the tale he told Liz and Ressler.) Did I forget something where they explained Red's connection, real or percieved?

Then there is Liz's role. As I stated, the burns Red had could just mean he was at the fire with Liz, not her father. Tom tells her that her biological dad is alive. Tom has had ample time to hurt/kill Liz. Many opportunities. Yet he's given to handing out statements like "I one of the good guys" and letting her know about her bio dad. His real target all along seems to be Red. As he told Jolene, he could have killed Red at Sam's hospital. Why say and do these things? Why tell Liz he's a good guy? (I think Tom likes Liz. Maybe not love, but he respects her and has warm feelings in general. Still... That doesn't explain all his actions.) So is Liz caught in the crossfire or does she have a clear cut relationship by blood to these two powerful men? What am I missing?

Also, can someone remind me who Apple Jack was working for again? Was it Alda's group?

All in all the finale was strange, but good. A cliffhanger in a way, yet NOT really a cliffhanger. It's going to be a long Summer.

 

[Dark Raven]

How do we know that the burns that Red has suffered are a result of him setting fire to the house where Lizzie and her father were, and not that he rescued her? Or even if he rescued her, he could've murdered her real father as well via arson.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Would you guys be disappointed if Reddington is Liz father?
I wouldn't but I wonder if other viewers would be.

It is a connection that is too obvious and a cliche that is overdone.

I'd rather something more creative.

That said, if he is is and there is a great backstory to it all - so be it.

However, hasn't Red told Liz on more than one ocassion that he has never lied to her - and there are times in the show where when she confronts him and he doesn't want to tell her the truth he just doesn't say anything.

The scars simply imply that Red was in the house and is the one who pulled Liz from the fire - she has just always believed that her biological father was that man.

 

[Mask&Cape]

How do we know that the burns that Red has suffered are a result of him setting fire to the house where Lizzie and her father were, and not that he rescued her? Or even if he rescued her, he could've murdered her real father as well via arson.

Yes, Red being the one who killed her father could be what he meant at the end of the episode that he "could say in no uncertain terms" that Liz's father is dead.

 

[Mask&Cape]

I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier but in the pilot episode we are told that Red was on his way home to his family but he never arrived.

No more is spoken of them.

We are never told that they are dead at all.

If Red's family died in a fire I think we would have been told in the pilot, or at some point by now.

We are never told exactly how many children Red had. I assume the ballerina girl that Red imagines in his Swan Lake show is is child - and I'm guessing Liz was much younger on the night of the fire.