New Joe Fridays: Week 49

[yenaled]

When I quickly scanned through this at Newsarama I first thought that was Thor and Robot from Invincible :x​

 

[Darthphere]

I wonder if Dread even buys Heroes for Hire....

 

[Themanofbat]

I wonder if ANYBODY is reading Heroes for Hire???



Though... I know that Captain Stacy does...

 

[Darthphere]

This whole cover deal is reaching dead horse beating levels.

 

[Vanguard07]

I actually have been picking up Heroes for hire but to be honest I'm not entirely sure why.

I started following it because of how awesome the original H4H was despite the fact that this one is nothing similar.
The original H4H was a ridiculously good roster of characters... this one has Shang Chi who's awesome, Had Orka (who was cool but unfortunately relegated to the past tense) and Humbug is kinda entertaining.

I'm thinking it's mostly Shang Chi.

 

[Sebastos]

I wonder if ANYBODY is reading Heroes for Hire???



Though... I know that Captain Stacy does...

I pick it up. I mostly do just for Shang-Chi though. He's been one of my favorite characters for a long time. The last couple of issues have been pretty solid.

 

[Dread]

I wonder if Dread even buys Heroes for Hire....

This whole cover deal is reaching dead horse beating levels.

No, I don't read it. But Joe Q commented on it so I figured I would add in a reply. Quite frankly he needs to let it drop because he really does himself no favors on this topic.

I mean if Joe would just say, "HEROES FOR HIRE sells low, and look at the amazing coverage this cover got! I think the artist, whatever she did, did her job!" But, I guess I expect Joe to type or say something that isn't just complete 100% bull manure, or doesn't presume the comic fan is a blithering, ignorant ******. Just once, in his miserable life. I'd die a happy man.

As I said in another topic, though, as "nasty" as that cover is, I'm sure the H4H gals will be alright. If you want some real heroine mutilation, DC does that more frequently, for some reason. Joe either needs to come out and admit it, or just plead the 5th and let it drop. It always is mind boggling how a professional who is head of a company can read things so badly. It proves just how much of a cottage industry comics are, because the "big shots" try to act like it yet make mistakes no head of a "real" business would be caught dead doing.

When I quickly scanned through this at Newsarama I first thought that was Thor and Robot from Invincible :x

I agree, Iron Man is looking very Robot-ish. And is it just me or does Thor look like he gained a few pounds during his death?

"Those goats that pull thy chariot...be good eatin'."

 

[Darthphere]

But, I guess I expect Joe to type or say something that isn't just complete 100% bull manure, or doesn't presume the comic fan is a blithering, ignorant ******. Just once, in his miserable life. I'd die a happy man.

I hope this is hyperbole, because if it's not, I suggest you see someone about this problem.

 

[Dread]

I hope this is hyperbole, because if it's not, I suggest you see someone about this problem.

Sometimes I speak passionately.

Next week, some of my fave Marvel titles come out (I think), so the mood will pass. It still always amazes and appalls me to see Joe just completely pooch responding to a crisis. It's like, he can pull up the company from bankruptcy and make them a bigger empire than before that isn't as reliant on comic sales and all that, yet he can't see the importance of not pooching this when over 50% of his income comes from the image of Marvel being "family friendly" and selling merch based on that.

But, I can imagine Dan DiDio reading this sort of stuff and pulling his hair out while screaming, "And THIS is the man who outdoes me month after month!?" I mean, lord, DC can barely put out a flick these days.

 

[Darthphere]

But, I can imagine Dan DiDio reading this sort of stuff and pulling his hair out while screaming, "And THIS is the man who outdoes me month after month!?" I mean, lord, DC can barely put out a flick these days.

The reason Dan Didio doesn't do more interviews, is because he's prone to saying something stupid as well. Ruining the return of the Multiverse about 15 weeks before the end of 52, stating it was his idea and why he thought Nightwing should be killed off and mostly anything Cassandra Cain related. As in the famous "Her parents are assassins so it makes sense that she will become one too, even though it's out of character"

 

[Dread]

The reason Dan Didio doesn't do more interviews, is because he's prone to saying something stupid as well. Ruining the return of the Multiverse about 15 weeks before the end of 52, stating it was his idea and why he thought Nightwing should be killed off and mostly anything Cassandra Cain related. As in the famous "Her parents are assassins so it makes sense that she will become one too, even though it's out of character"

Oh, yeah, well, it's not like I don't believe DC isn't floundering for good reasons. Oddly, many of the books I am enjoying from DC now are mostly not in continuity, save for BLUE BEETLE and Dini's DETECTIVE.

 

[Eros]

Oh, yeah, well, it's not like I don't believe DC isn't floundering for good reasons. Oddly, many of the books I am enjoying from DC now are mostly not in continuity, save for BLUE BEETLE and Dini's DETECTIVE.

Dc is "floundering" as you say, because they either keep going back to the silver-age, or thier trying to keep us interested in the Multiverse, or doing things that seem alittle boring.

 

[Dread]

Dc is "floundering" as you say, because they either keep going back to the silver-age, or thier trying to keep us interested in the Multiverse, or doing things that seem alittle boring.

Yeah, something feels off about DC shoving stuff from 21 years ago back into the forefront and claiming that is how things always should have been. Ironically, with HOM and CW, Joe Q sort of wants to return stuff to the 60's, but it hasn't seemed quite as, I dunno, retro. Darker and more cynical, but not as retro. It's hard to explain.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, something feels off about DC shoving stuff from 21 years ago back into the forefront and claiming that is how things always should have been. Ironically, with HOM and CW, Joe Q sort of wants to return stuff to the 60's, but it hasn't seemed quite as, I dunno, retro. Darker and more cynical, but not as retro. It's hard to explain.

It's like my favorite Dan Didio quote of the moment:

“People call it a call back to Silver Age comics, but I just call it the place where the characters were at their greatest — where we saw their greatest strengths. It’s really building upon what people remember and know the characters to be, and what people most liked about those characters.

“We never want to create a situation where the concept behind a character has nothing to do with people’s perceptions of that character. That’s something I’m very specific about and the goal is to build a much more contemporary world around a character but stay true to the things that make them great.”

So basically, you're reverting back to the Silver Age and saying everything else was crap.

 

[Dread]

It's like my favorite Dan Didio quote of the moment:

“People call it a call back to Silver Age comics, but I just call it the place where the characters were at their greatest — where we saw their greatest strengths. It’s really building upon what people remember and know the characters to be, and what people most liked about those characters.

“We never want to create a situation where the concept behind a character has nothing to do with people’s perceptions of that character. That’s something I’m very specific about and the goal is to build a much more contemporary world around a character but stay true to the things that make them great.”

So basically, you're reverting back to the Silver Age and saying everything else was crap.

Yeah, it feels kind of backwards. Joe Q has sort of wanted to do things like that but it hasn't sounded as blatent. I mean, why return the X-Men to "how they were in the 60's" when in the 60's they got cancelled? Granted, Marvel doesn't do a universe flip over and over, they just do stuff in their continuity and keep it chugging, rather than whitewash stuff so you never know what counts and what doesn't. So, yeah, DC seems to be floundering. It will still be around, but it seems to be dragging.

Plus, well, Marvel's Silver Age was cheesy, but not nearly as full of the cheese that DC had.

 

[Max Shrek]

One thing you can say about Quesada is that despite his love for the Silver Age too, he does so in a way that drastically changes Marvel's status quos, while remaining the tone and feel (debateable mind), which is why it doesn't feel like it. This is not the 60s Marvel universe. The Avengers are both a group of celebrities and underground warriors, Captain America is dead, Iron Man is a pseudo-villain, who's in charge of the organization that controls, leads, trains and supports all superheroes, Spider-Man's identity is publically known and is a wanted fugitive, the mutant population is facing extinction... Where as over at DC, Superman is like he's always been, same with Batman and the rest for the most part. If they've changed at all, it's to do them like they were in the Silver Age. With the exception of Quesada's "I want to go back to superheroes beating superheroes!" agenda (and when did superheroes fighting ever hurt sales?!), it almost seems like DC is continually thinking back while Marvel thinks forward, and that may explain the sales. Note: that has nothing to do with quality, merely their status quos and the type of stories they tell.