Superman Returns New Lex Article at IGN.com

[Oldguy]

Too true.

And, one of the few times I have heard you defend an aspect of this film.

Oldguy, you bring tears to my eye. No, wait, that's the ether.

BBBLLLuuuuuuuuuuuuee VVVVVEEEEEEELLLLLLLVVVeeeeeeeetttttttteeeeeee.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

People with experience will tell you.... that's what love is. Sometimes, a love is so powerful that it starts the moment you meet someone. And besides, wouldn't you be mystified if the guy saved your life and had the power to take over the world? Nothing corny about it.

Frankly, if it's corny, than so is love.

Do you have experience with love, Doc?

 

[MatchesMalone]

I heard he really had hair, but was wearing different bald wigs?

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

 

[Showtime]

My hatred of Superman Movies, in order of appearance.
1) Marlon Brando refering to his home as the planet Cripten.
2) Young Clark Kent running next to the train.
3) The ****ing sky poem.
4) Otis, although I do enjoy seeing him abused so I guess he serves a purpose.
5) Hackman's vanity wig.
6) Superman giving up his powers.
7) Superman holding up a layer of frozen lake by the edge.
8) The entire Quest for Peace.

First off, how did you get my baby picture? It even has my head?

Are those in order or just your top 10? I am thinking that the sky poem and Otis are one and two. I always hated the frozen lake bit as well.

 

[Showtime]

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

I remember that story from the commentary, I am so slow that I only recentely discovered all the commentary about 6 months ago.

 

[Oldguy]

First off, how did you get my baby picture? It even has my head?

Are those in order or just your top 10? I am thinking that the sky poem and Otis are one and two. I always hated the frozen lake bit as well.

Nope, in order of appearance.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

Correct. If you look really close too at the end, you can see where the hair is sticking out a bit, and the bald cap isn't completely closed in the back. I remember watching that commentary as well, thought it was pretty funny myself. Donner and a fake moustache, classic.

 

[MatchesMalone]

My hatred of Superman Movies, in order of appearance.
1) Marlon Brando refering to his home as the planet Cripten.

Don't forget Sarah York, she pronounced it that way in SII. Really, that picky?

2) Young Clark Kent running next to the train.

Wow, I thought it was a great scene.

3) The ****ing sky poem.

Gotta agree with you there. I loved everything about that scene until she started that damn voice-over. I just mute it now and play the original score track on the DVD during that scene. It works MUCH better.

And, hey, we could have had Kidder singing that bit. That's what they originally planned.

4) Otis, although I do enjoy seeing him abused so I guess he serves a purpose.

I loved everything about the villains three. Otis was hilarious.

5) Hackman's vanity wig.

The curly wig was a bit too much.

6) Superman giving up his powers.

Donner's cut is MUCH better about this.

7) Superman holding up a layer of frozen lake by the edge.

Any movie with Richard Pryor in it automatically becomes a comedy.

"Laser beams shootin outta his EYES, man!"

8) The entire Quest for Peace.

A very sad story of budgets cut in half, producers dropping out, and our poor hero trying to pick up the pieces. But a horrible film, I grant you.

 

[Mentok]

I hate Clark running with the train

 

[Showtime]

Quest for peace does have that great line...I wish you could all see the world the way I see it..blah blah blu.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Yeah, his running motion makes me want to laugh. The original movies in general make me laugh. Not much to take seriously...apart from the most amazing theme song this side of Star Wars...

 

[Showtime]

Whats these...Star Wars everyone is speaking of?

 

[MatchesMalone]

Yeah, his running motion makes me want to laugh. The original movies in general make me laugh.

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.

Not much to take seriously...apart from the most amazing theme song this side of Star Wars...

I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

 

[Showtime]

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.



I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

I love the PIMP!

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Do you have experience with love, Doc?

Tried a couple of times. True love never happened, despite my hopes.

 

[Showtime]

Tried a couple of times. True love never happened, despite my hopes.

My girlfriend and I fly from my roof every night. It's not what it's cracked up to be.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

My girlfriend and I fly from my roof every night. It's not what it's cracked up to be.

I tried that once, it didn't end well. Broken ribs from the fall, and a slap in the face. She really flipped out when I started reading "The Poem."

 

[Oldguy]

Don't forget Sarah York, she pronounced it that way in SII. Really, that picky?

She did? That *****! Ya, I never said it was rational, but it was like an upity snub to me. Pisses me off.

Wow, I thought it was a great scene.

Never looked natural to me, always looked like he's riding an invisible bike.

Gotta agree with you there. I loved everything about that scene until she started that damn voice-over. I just mute it now and play the original score track on the DVD during that scene. It works MUCH better.

And, hey, we could have had Kidder singing that bit. That's what they originally planned.

Thanks for the tip. The idea of a song makes a poem easier to handle tho.

I loved everything about the villains three. Otis was hilarious.

Yes it definately works, it's just a matter of personal taste for me. I always wanted the purple and green Luthor with power gloves and jet boots from the comics to go toe to toe with him.

Donner's cut is MUCH better about this.

Another reason Im dying to see it.

Any movie with Richard Pryor in it automatically becomes a comedy.

"Laser beams shootin outta his EYES, man!"

Richard Pryor brought an everyman perspective to the narration that helped make SIII the most relateable of all the movies. Where else do you think Waid got the idea for Norman McKay?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA

A very sad story of budgets cut in half, producers dropping out, and our poor hero trying to pick up the pieces. But a horrible film, I grant you.

I blame Dino De Laurentis, responsible for every ****ty sequel in the eighties.

 

[Oldguy]

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.

I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

No love for Pryor?

 

[Showtime]

I tried that once, it didn't end well. Broken ribs from the fall, and a slap in the face. She really flipped out when I started reading "The Poem."

Heh Heh

 

[MatchesMalone]

She did? That *****! Ya, I never said it was rational, but it was like an upity snub to me. Pisses me off.

Eh. Marlon Brando was known for doing s*** his own way, and f*** the rest. He never learned his lines. He had cue cards placed around the set for him to read off of during takes. That kind of business. But he sold his farewell to Kal El perfectly, and that is what matters to me.

Never looked natural to me, always looked like he's riding an invisible bike.

I can see that. I was always infected with the joy Jeff East portrayed in that scene, though. The performance really brought it out for me.

An aside, I wish they hadn't decided to overdub Jeff East's dialogue with Reeve's voice.

Thanks for the tip. The idea of a song makes a poem easier to handle tho.

On another plus side, she didn't drive her Buick into the side of the Fortress of Solitude and then blame sunstroke.

Yes it definately works, it's just a matter of personal taste for me. I always wanted the purple and green Luthor with power gloves and jet boots from the comics to go toe to toe with him.

For me, that just wouldn't work very well cinematically. I love it in the comics, and JLU, but I just can't see that coming across on screen convincingly. I would love to be proved wrong, just to get another Superman movie out there.

Another reason Im dying to see it.

You and me both. The end scene is very provocative from a character standpoint.

Richard Pryor brought an everyman perspective to the narration that helped make SIII the most relateable of all the movies. Where else do you think Waid got the idea for Norman McKay?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA

Man, that Spectre cat really got a bad case of honkitis.

I blame Dino De Laurentis, responsible for every ****ty sequel in the eighties.

The Joel Schumaker of the 80's. EDIT: Wrong Italian.

 

[MatchesMalone]

No love for Pryor?

I'd rather watch See No Evil, Hear No Evil than Superman III. So...yeah.

 

[Showtime]

I have a little love for Superman 3, they almost had Braniac and Bizzaro, but couldn't go the extra mile. I always claimed they had that movie written for Hackman's Lex, but just inserted another wealthy hell-bent on destroying Superman and controlling the world.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I have a little love for Superman 3, they almost had Braniac and Bizzaro, but couldn't go the extra mile. I always claimed they had that movie written for Hackman's Lex, but just inserted another wealthy hell-bent on destroying Superman and controlling the world.

Agreed, they bascially did throw Braniac and Bizarro in there. And I'd say that the junkyard scene is definately one of the top moments in all four movies for me. And Lex was supposed to be there.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I actually think "Can you read my mind" is one of the best scenes of the movie. The flying dance shows Superman and Lois magical love. Yes, it is corny. Love is like that. Titanic is movie full of these scenes and the entire world went to see it just because of love. Because i believe love is real and when i see that scene in the movie, i believe both are in love. It is corny. But the whole idea and character of Superman is corny, then!

Well,i guess i don`t have anymore concerns regarding this movie after reading this interview. Lex will be a ****ing badass! Thank god for Singer!