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Discussion in 'Misc. TV Series' started by SolidRoar, Mar 10, 2006.
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So long complex philisophical and political ideas of Mark Waid's Legion and intense drama and action of the 80s Legion.
Here comes another The Batman.
And I was hoping for some deep, philisophical speeches given by Cos and epic action, possibly involving Darkseid and the Great Darkness Saga. But alas, it seems that this shall not happen.
Simply because the show will air on KidsWB doesn't mean that the show will be dumbed down. KidsWB is usually very good at bending the rules to allow for a more mature showing; TNBAS and STAS are great examples of this. They were also great animated shows in their own rights (although that's likely due to the involvement of such a talented creative team. People forget that the network does not control or influence EVERY aspect of the production; it is mainly the creative team who are responsible for the quality of the show.
That said, it doesn't look good for the new Legion show, provided the current trend of DC-related shows (I'm looking at you The Batman.)
Have you seen Kids WB lately? All their shows are dumbed down these days.
That was many years ago. Not today. Today, major dumbed downedness.
I'm looking at all current Kids WB shows in general.
I'll give it Two eps tops. Kidswb has horrid programs right now. Nothing even is worthy of a mention.
Bah the legion ep in JLU got on my nerves anyway. What the hell was up with Validus getting fooked that easily. It was like he was a robot or something
Why? Why would you torture yourself with such hopes? That's just masochistic.
Actually no, I haven't. I'm just trying to be optimistic...
Why is there so little information about this project?
Does anybody know if it is going to be targeted more towards the Teen Titans series audience or is it more like the animated JLU?
Thats because most of the news is in the other thread.
Yes. It will be targeted toward the TT audience.
Not a chance of LOS being like BTAS or STAS. Especially with the "Wolves in Sheeps Clothing" report by PTC. And even so almost EVERYTHING that's aimed at kids today is dumbed down(and then people wonder why we have dumb kids). Such a shame to go from the 90's era of awsome and interesting TV shows to "Poke'mon", "Xholin Showdown", etc.
Now I cant blame marvel for not making cartoons. Companies turn them into complete **** now, whereas in the 90's, you had good stuff.
I fear for the DCUA.
The DCAU will live in DTVs. It has to. We're still willing to pay money, surely they'll give us SOMETHING...
Actually, if JLU should end with this season, it will be the last series in the DCAU. You see, a DC cartoon does not become part of a DC Animated Universe until it shares continuity with another cartoon with another DC hero. Accordingly, the Timmverse (BTAS, STAS, BB, JL, JLU) is the only DC Animated Universe; the other cartoons such as Teen Titans and The Batman are just DC cartoons. The only way The Batman can be part of a DC Animated Universe is if another DC cartoon is made which has ties to it. It's all rather technical, so no one really bothers. But my point is that you shouldn't (technically) being worrying about the "DCAU."
And as far as I know, MARVEL has still been producing cartoons, most of which have been cheap incarnations of Spiderman, but all of them were very, very short-lived. The latest MARVEL cartoon, I believe, to have been cancelled is Fantastic Four, although the first episode never aired because the project was scrapped. These next statements are off-topic, but it has fascinated me ever since I started to notice the progression of DC and MARVEL (which was around the release of Batman Begins). Now, I am not one to incite any wars, but it seems to me that MARVEL as a company has been going downhill. I have heard from many of my MARVEL friends who have said that the quality of writing of most MARVEL comics have been declining; the only saving grace, it seems, is the Ultimate line. Many of the MARVEL movies haven't fared any better, yielding more misses (Fantastic Four, Elektra, The Hulk, etc.) than hits (X-men and Spiderman). Personally, though, I haven't found any of them to be truly great, only mediocre. The upcoming MARVEL releases have been subject to much skepticism, especially X3. The future of superhero movies in general have been called into question because of oversaturation of the market and most blame MARVEL (which I think is a little absurd.)
So, any MARVEL fans care to weigh on in this? I think its fascinating.
Just to let you know, F4 wasn't cancelled. Its looking to start sometime in the fall of this year. And frankly, your little essay there is full of mistakes and generalizations. How can you take a friend's opinion in quality as your own? More than a handful of fans would say the Ultimate Line is terrible. I may not be one of them, but its still out there.
Most Marvel films have been hits economically AND critically. The Hulk may have mixed reviews, but it more than covered the cost in theaters. Universal ended up with quite a large profit. Fantastic Four, quality aside, was the film that broke the summer slump. Again, big time profits were made on this film. As for X3, well its your opinion, but I think Brett Ratner gets way too much crap. All people see is Rush Hour and thats what they're basic that criticism on. People always forget The Family Man or Red Dragon. Judging from the trailers alone, it looks like Ratner isnt afraid to do what Singer always was of, show the true extent of these peoples abilities, really explore the themes of seperation AND give off the feel of a superhero team.
Lets be honest here. Batman Begins was good, but I can think of at least five other superhero films that were better. If any film is being called into question its Superman Returns. Making a sequel to a dead franchise, when the film itself already has three sequels and just ignoring the last two, what exactly is the point? To make Superman a dead beat dad? Donner's original film was great, but even that had several problems and a plothole so big you could cram a streetsweeper through it.
Oh and if we're being all technical here, this generation's DCAU isnt the only DCAU. Those Superfriends episodes ran for decades. The continuity maybe incredibly weak, but its still there. Stuff from the Superman/Aquaman hour, to the Wonder Twins and Gleek the Monkey, The Affrimative action heroes, The Legendary Super Powers Show, thats a longer lasting DCAU than what we have now (or at least had).
But not a larger one in terms of content. The Super Friends seasons combined for 115 total episodes, plus 102 10-minute shorts. The Timmverse, on the other hand, includes 109 episodes of Batman, 54 episodes of Superman, 52 episodes of Batman Beyond, 52 episodes of Justice League, 39 episodes of Justice League Unlimited, 52 episodes of Static Shock, 26 episodes of The Zeta Project, 30 webisodes of Gotham Girls, 15 webisodes of Lobo, and four (soon to be five) full-length movies. Counting comic books as well, we have 152 Batman issues, 68 Superman issues, 30 Batman Beyond issues, 34 Justice League issues, 40 Justice League Unlimited issues, and 5 issues of Gotham Girls.
From comics continuum Monday:
LEGION OF SUPER HEROES ANIMATED UPDATE
Jennifer Hale is providing the voice of Emerald Empress in the upcomming Legion of Super Heroes animated series from Warner Bros. Animation.
Hale is a prolific voice actress, with more than 120 roles to her credit.
Her comic-book roles include Felicia Hardy/Black Cat in Spider-Man, Lady Vermin in Spider-Man Unlimited, Spider-Woman in Iron Man and Zatanna, Killer Frost and Giganta in Justice League Unlimited.
In Legion of Super Heroes, Emerald Empress is part of the Fatal Five.
The series has not officially been announced yet by Warner Bros. It will likely air first on Kids' WB! (or its CW network equivalent).
This looks like an even crappier version of Teen Titans. I should just make my own series, even with no knowledge of animation or being very good at writing, I am sure it would be better.
Really? I can't think of any. It's definately my favorite movie evah.
I shouldn't have brought up the topic in the first place. Sorry.
I agree. Thinking back through all the superhero movies I've seen...
Batman & Robin (1949 serial): Pretty bad. I don't care if it was the 40s. That's no excuse.
Superman and the Mole Men (tie-in to Adventures of Superman TV series): Not bad, not great.
Batman 1966: Well, I'd watch the Westiverse before the Matsudaverse, but it still sucked.
The Reeve Superman movies: Sorry, never did it for me. Everybody holds those up as sacrosanct, but Hackman was awful as Luthor, and the special effects just weren't there yet. Again, I don't care if it was the best special effects technology at the time. If you can't pull it off, don't do it. It will only embarrass you at the time. Star Wars: TESB and ROTJ hold up after 30+ years, why can't everything else?
Batman 1989: Another one that isn't as good as everyone forces themselves to believe. Keaton could never pull of Batman, Nicholson wasn't built right for the Joker, Alfred didn't look like he was supposed to, Prince and Batman don't mix, Joker's involvement in the Wayne murders is a cheap plot device, and Batman should never kill.
Batman Returns: Worse than Burtman, if still better than a lot of previous superhero efforts. Keaton still sucks, Catwoman is too much of a goth/bondage fetish, DeVito is NOT the Penguin, Alfred is still the wrong guy, and the plot is still not that strong. Thank God for Walken. He can make any movie better.
Batman Mask of the Phantasm: It was one of the best chapters in the DCAU, and remains my second-favorite superhero film. Too bad it had that same weak plot device of the Joker and Bruce's parents. I also wish Rupert Thorne could have been involved somehow. You're telling me that the Phantasm is knocking off mob bosses and Thorne doesn't get nervous?
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin: No comment.
Batman Sub-Zero: Freeze's better movie. Another one of my favorites.
Batman Mystery of the Batwoman: Almost good, but not quite. The wordless short on the DVD, "Chase Me," is quite good though.
Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2: The emo-ness of Spider-Man is painful, but sometimes that's what you're looking for. I guess that's why he still sells so many issues. This franchise isn't bad, but nowhere near my favorite.
Daredevil and Elektra: Um.
The Hulk: You know what the strength of Batman 89 was? It didn't feel a need to tell an origin story. It was more concerned with a story of Batman kicking ass in the present day. I think my biggest problem with modern superhero movies is that we can't do that anymore. Everything has to be the origin story. This particular origin cannot be sustained over the course of an entire movie.
Batman Begins: Best superhero movie ever, certainly the best Batman movie ever. But Alfred still doesn't look right, though Caine has the character perfect. And what the hell is with that Batmobile. Unacceptable, Chris Noland. Unacceptable. Make up for it with a good Joker story next time.
i hope this series is of jlu quality