Sequels Next Time...NO Ratner

[bes628]

Find an More Serious director who will take the series more serious.

i originally liked the movie but after watching it on DVD it does nothing for me....

hell get better writers while were at it.


and next time i want at least an 2 hour movie

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think the writers were more the problem than Ratner was. Afterall, unlike Bryan Singer, Ratner didn't help to develop this story or anything. Ratner just went along with the script he inhereted.

I think his actual direction was fine. I think the biggest part was how fast paced it was, but a lot of that would also have to do with the script as well.

 

[bes628]

i can agree with that, the writing wasnt hitting on nothing

 

[CapBeerCino]

I think his actual direction was fine. I think the biggest part was how fast paced it was, but a lot of that would also have to do with the script as well.

Or with him saying that's how he like the pacing maybe? It is a Bratt Ratner movie, yet people tend to throw all the blame on the writers, forgetting to give Ranter his due.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Or with him saying that's how he like the pacing maybe? It is a Bratt Ratner movie, yet people tend to throw all the blame on the writers, forgetting to give Ranter his due.

I guess I just question how much influence the director REALLY has when the script is in place, it is the script that runs through the dialogue, the plot lines, the scenes, etc...

And in this case, where the director didn't have much input on the plotline (unlike Bryan Singer who, with his writers, helped to develop the stories of both X-Men and X2), I just wonder where exactly it is that his influence lies.

With pacing, I mean... the writers write the scenes. Ratner didn't. So, in the case of say, Jean's rising, it was them who wrote her rising, their interaction, and then her killing him off suddenly.

Right?

I mean, I do want to get into filmmaking and stuff, but I'm still working on my English AA, and I haven't gotten into any actual film classes yet.

I just think of directors like Singer, Peter Jackson, Spielberg, etc... who actually develop the stories of their own movies... and Ratner didn't particularly do that, so where exactly was his stamp?

 

[The Ones]

Ratner said himself he wasnt given a finished script, and helped develop 1/2 of the movie. So i dont really see where you're coming from Nell

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Ratner said himself he wasnt given a finished script, and helped develop 1/2 of the movie. So i dont really see where you're coming from Nell

When did he say this?

I always remember him saying the only really significant thing he changed was moving the Golden Gate Bridge / Alcatraz sequence to the 3rd act, making it the final battle, instead of Washington DC, and turning the prison break out into that convoy thing.

The script that was reviewed by AICN, the infamous "7 day script", was the movie that we got. So I dunno what all this unfinished script talk is about.

But if you have a link or anything, lemme check it out.

 

[Psionic Force]

With all the stuff that we have seen Ratner cut out and the fact that he did not finish Phoenix, based on the images from the dvd someone posted, I am all for NO MORE Ratner! He blows!

 

[Angamb]

Guys! The only truth is that FOX IS THE PROBLEM. So don't blame so much the writers and Brett, although they had some implication, but the biggest issue is Fox.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Guys! The only truth is that FOX IS THE PROBLEM. So don't blame so much the writers and Brett, although they had some implication, but the biggest issue is Fox.

Brett is the one who assumed to have ADD and likes the "next scene, next scene, next scene, im bored, next" pace. And he thinks this kind of pace works greatly for the movie. He is wrong, if you take most reviews, even the positive ones, they say what hurts the movie the most is pacing. And most people who watched the movie felt it was "too fast". He was the guy who cut great scenes that could help develop characters. He was the one (and seemed to be THE ONLY ONE) who wanted to see Rogue cured. Lauren, writers, Avi, all of them were pissed at the fact Rogue took the cure. So yes, i blame a lot on Ratner, although i do know Fox is the most guilty. But Ratner wasnt chosen the biggest Hack in Hollywood for nothing. So i better have him go back to his Jackie Chan and music videos.

 

[Angamb]

I forgot to add that of course, I'd like other director for X4, a more recognized one, more serious for a more serious and epic film, well, not sure about the epic thing, because X3 should have been the most epic, but wasn't.... I think it's better for X4 a more X1 tone, more character development, good dialogue scenes, more drama, real drama, and emotion, and less and better action.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I forgot to add that of course, I'd like other director for X4, a more recognized one, more serious for a more serious and epic film, well, not sure about the epic thing, because X3 should have been the most epic, but wasn't.... I think it's better for X4 a more X1 tone, more character development, good dialogue scenes, more drama, real drama, and emotion, and less and better action.

exactly what i think. X3 should be the epic, it wasnt. X4 should be like a mix of X1 and X2.

 

[Spiritcrusher]

I don't care who the director might be if they did X4, just as long as they bring back Nightcrawler and bring in Gambit.

 

[Obsidian]

Ratner's only as good as the screenplay, and let's face it, the screenplay was pretty lackluster, with some pretty cheap dialogue. Get someone like James Cameron or bring back Bryan Singer!

 

[Goddessreicho]

I don't want Singer back. He didn't know what to do with have of his cast. Cyke and Storm were worthless and had one scene in which both were finaly able to do something emotionally work, but by then it was nearly to late.

Singer had the same Wolverine fasination that the studios told him to have has Ratner did.

Cyke and Storm were wasted in the trilogy. If there is an X4 its too late to give them a resurection or character depth, and as the "leaders" and core members of the team, they deserve something more than what was given.

I want actual comic book readers as screenwriters and a director who can handle an essemble cast. I think getting someone who works in television would be a great start.

And NOT Whendon. His dialoge butchered Storm. The "Toad" line was his. Someone else...what about Aaron Sorkin?

 

[OliPhoenixFire]

I don't think that the movie really represented what the writers wanted... Of course, the basic story belongs to them... But i'm sure that there are PLENTY of things that the direction and the production cut...
And of course, its not the complete fault of Ratner, but i'd rather prefer him not to come back in a sequel...
Also, the production was RUUUSHED!!! So lots of things didn't help but even with all that Ratner pulled it off well enough in the Box Office! But sooo much things could have been better if more time was taken on some details...

 

[Silvermoth]

No Ratner. Never again. For any comic book movie

 

[Cyclops]

A script is just words on a page until a director puts it onscreen/onstage. Nowhere in any script will you find directions on how fast-paced scenes might be, etc. etc.

So how can one blame the quick, jarring pacing of X3 on the script?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A script is just words on a page until a director puts it onscreen/onstage. Nowhere in any script will you find directions on how fast-paced scenes might be, etc. etc.

So how can one blame the quick, jarring pacing of X3 on the script?

I guess you're right.

But I guess my point is, if the interaction between Scott and Jean is just written as

Scott: "Jean?"

Jean: "Scott?"

Scott: "How?"

Jean: "I dunno."

...how can you really slow down that pace?

 

[Majik1387]

I'd like to get the Wachowski Brothers for the next X-Men movie(s). I was actually really impressed with V for Vendetta and I actually liked the Matrix movies; Granted I didn't see the 3rd Matrix movie but I think they can handle the X-Men just fine.

 

[Silvermoth]

In a perfect world I would have X3 completely forgotten about with a new X3 written by Grant Morrison and directed by Bryan Singer with ratner, Kinberg and Rothman being tarred and feathered in the background.

But seeing as how a sequel to Superman Returns has been confirmed, fox will want to compete with them again and will rush the script and hire Ratner once again. Say hello to Batman and Robin of the new millenium, Also known as X-men 4.

Sob

 

[Infinitebass]

While Ratner isn't winning any awards, I would only place about 10% of the dissapointment on his hands. If he did in fact put in the convoy scene, then I would be willing to give him another shot (obviously with a better script). That scene was the one of the few throughout the trilogy that made me think they had something from the comics dead on.

 

[Cyclops]

I guess you're right.

But I guess my point is, if the interaction between Scott and Jean is just written as

Scott: "Jean?"

Jean: "Scott?"

Scott: "How?"

Jean: "I dunno."

...how can you really slow down that pace?

By not shooting from line to line as if you're under a time limit. Use body language. Express facially confusion, hesitation, etc. There isn't a whole lot of nonverbal communication written into scripts, so actors and directors have to insert it.