Night Owl's costume better than Batman's

Really??? What danger and suspense was in the fight scene at the nightclub???

The night club scene was hardly one of TDK's big action scenes. It was a brief transition scene to set up Batman interrogating Maroni. TDK's big action scenes were things like capturing Lau in Hong Kong, the tunnel chase, and Batman racing up a skyscraper to stop Joker from setting off the bombs at the end.

What sagging franchise was Bourne reinvigorating????

Bourne didn't have a franchise before, but it influenced action movies in the next few years all the way to the present (such as the Daniel Craig Bond movies). Batman Begins and Casino Royale were both said to have saved their franchises.

And in the Bourne and Bond films you can clearly see what they are doing.

I didn't say that was a bad thing.

What invogorated Bond is they stripped the character done to bare basics and got away from the outrageous gadgets

Many people loved how "badass" the new Bond looked. The movie clearly went for less stylized, more brutal action.
 
I definitely think Nite Owl's costume was superior in pretty much every way. Batman's was cool, but I never could understand why a billionaire can't get a suit made that allows him to turn his head properly.
 
Mobility wise, there's no contest. WATCHMEN's fighting was much faster, and much more mobile. The Nite Owl stuntman does some RIDICULOUS moves in the final fight with Veidt.
 
I thought the fight scenes were stupendous, and some of the stuff mirrors what I think Batman should be doing. Of course he shouldn't be doing some of the superhuman esque looking moves that Nite Owl pulled off, but something to that effect, no doubt.
 
The fights get better with each viewing. I love that Rorschach's just completely ineffectual, Dan is more concerned with "cool moves" than anything remotely effective, and Veidt has almost no wasted motion.
 
I definitely think Nite Owl's costume was superior in pretty much every way. Batman's was cool, but I never could understand why a billionaire can't get a suit made that allows him to turn his head properly.

I watched Watchmen again, and I could not find an example of Night Owl turning his head with his mask on.
I'm pretty sure he has the same 'can't turn head' problem Batman has.
 
The fights get better with each viewing. I love that Rorschach's just completely ineffectual, Dan is more concerned with "cool moves" than anything remotely effective, and Veidt has almost no wasted motion.

Ahh...I disagree a bit, but I can see what you're saying as well.
I thought Rorschach was a brutal brawler with some limited but very effective knowledge of martial arts, Dan a very practiced martial artist concerned with always keeping correct form (well, except when he wails on Adrian at the very end), and Adrian a very flashy and elegant fighter, with obviously more fighting skill than any other hero in the movie.

And yes, the fights do get better with each viewing. I still think they're some of the best superhero fights ever filmed, right up there with Blade 1/2.
I'm a kung fu movie nut, so I was very happy to see this type of choreography in Watchmen :up:
 
Adrian's actual fighting isn't really that flashy at all. He's very basic with most of his moves, he's just FAST.
 
What about all those moves where he extended his non-punching arm, like if he was doing a kung fu form?
Although all his moves were very efficient, that's true.
Hey, it's just another excuse for me to watch it again.
 
Nooe, sorry, my bad, I worded it wrong.
There were numerous times when Ozzy punched someone, and he stretched his other arm back, or did some other fancy movement, like this...

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IMO, this made him look a lot flashier than the rest of the characters in the movie....but he could obviously afford to be flashy, considering the amazing skills he had.

I just found this article and this guy seems to think like me, at least when it comes to the different fighting styles of the characters.

Here's what he had to say...

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The Comedian's Fighting Style: Classic American Brawler

The Comedian started his crime-fighting career cleaning up New York's riverside docks so his style is consists mainly of fist-blows backed by power provided by his muscular physique. He uses intimidation, weaponry and dirty-fighting techniques to give him the upper hand against his opponents. He's always grabbing for weaponry, recognizing the advantage of force multipliers like knives, make-shift clubs and guns. He fight on instinct and emotion which works when he's on the winning side. But he's old, slow, prone to making mistakes out of desperation when he starts to lose. His murder kicks off the story's plot line.

# Rorshach's Fighting Style: Suicidal Street Fighter

If city is an urban jungle, Rorschach is the meanest, cruelest cat on the block. He's not the lion. He's the cat that makes the lion slink away in terror with its tail curled down around it balls for protection. Rorshach is shorter and slighter than his crime fighting companions, but he makes up for this disadvantage in three ways:
# He fights nasty (boxing backed up by a kitchen sink assortment knees elbows and kicks).
# He uses his environment as a weapon (the way he moves up and down vertical height's is reminiscent of free-running/Parkour, and he uses makeshift weapons culled from generic household items).
# He's ****ing psychotic.

Never fight a guy who doesn't care about dying? You could break all his limbs and he would still bite. He's a killer, straight and simple, and his uncompromising, black and white morality, and severe death wish more than makes up for any physical shortcomings. Given that, his ultimate fate is not that surprising.

Nite Owl's Fighting Style: Efficient, Scientific Hand to Hand Style.

After a decade of government-mandated retirement, the Nite Owl seems to have softened around the edges and grown himself a respectable spare tire. But there's a lot of power behind that bulk. Plus, as a scientist, he understands the value of incapacitating his opponents with one strike, especially when fighting against greater numbers. Nite Owl aims for his opponents weak spots, preferring to shatter knees, shins and elbow joints in order to quickly deal with an opponent, and to make sure that opponent cannot get up again to do him harm. Although he's the a technophile, he rarely uses offensive weaponry, preferring a brutal, punishing hand to hand combat reminiscent of Okinawan karate.

Silk Spectre's Fighting Style: She's Got Legs and She Knows How to Use 'Em.

As the only female crime fighter of the bunch, Silk Spectre has to maximise use of her natural assets: specifically her long legs. She employs a kicking style, similar to Korean martial arts. She deploys wheel kicks with precision timing, ensuring opponents feel the full, devastating effect of her force at it's maximum arc. Although she eschews the dirty fighting techniques that makes Rorshach such a formidable opponent, she's not adverse to close fighting using her elbow's and knees. When pushed, she will use weaponry, which gives some hint to her crime fighting linage. It may be a man's world, but this woman is able to hold her own quite effectively.

Dr. Manhattan's Fighting Style: None.

Gods don't fight. They simply wave a hand and their opponents disintegrate. He's cold, dispassionate and he kills at a distance with a God's impunity.

Ozymandias's Fighting Style: The Ultimate Martial Artist.

He may be the smartest man in the world, and he's certainly the most dangerous. His back story includes years of travelling around Asia, learning every bit of martial theory he could. As a result, he has access to every style of martial art ever invented. But what makes him truly formidable as a fighter is how perceptive he is. Ozy observational skills makes him so intuitive, he borders on precognitive. How do you fight an opponent who can anticipate your next move based on minute shift in eye glances and body position? How do you kill a person who can read a bullet's ultimate trajectory before you even shoot? It's almost fitting that Ozy is such a voyeur, who reads the shifts in the cultural climate by watching fifty different television programs on fifty different TV screens all at one. He sees all, and he knows, man... he knows...
 
Ozymandias's Fighting Style: The Ultimate Martial Artist.

He may be the smartest man in the world, and he's certainly the most dangerous. His back story includes years of travelling around Asia, learning every bit of martial theory he could. As a result, he has access to every style of martial art ever invented. But what makes him truly formidable as a fighter is how perceptive he is. Ozy observational skills makes him so intuitive, he borders on precognitive. How do you fight an opponent who can anticipate your next move based on minute shift in eye glances and body position? How do you kill a person who can read a bullet's ultimate trajectory before you even shoot? It's almost fitting that Ozy is such a voyeur, who reads the shifts in the cultural climate by watching fifty different television programs on fifty different TV screens all at one. He sees all, and he knows, man... he knows...
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Love that Assessment of each characters style!!

Ozy is just stone cold he does the bare minumum but makes it count this is what i was hoping to see from Ras Al Ghul in BB when he fought Batman, an absolute master of arts backed up by great intelligence, but we all know how that turned out.
 
I thought Nite Owl's costume looks cool for it being almost like a satire of a genre. But imagine if somebody tried to pass him off as a sole superhero and made that costume. It would be laughed at. It's only cool because it's not trying to take itself too seriously. Batman's costume, both Begins and Dark Knight, look better.
 
I thought Nite Owl's costume looks cool for it being almost like a satire of a genre. But imagine if somebody tried to pass him off as a sole superhero and made that costume. It would be laughed at.
There have been a lot of crappier superhero costumes than Nite Owl's.
 
There have been a lot of crappier superhero costumes than Nite Owl's.

Yes, like Catwoman, most of the X-Men, etc, but they're also criticized and laughed at by a lot of people.

That's what I'm saying about the Nite Owl costume. It's not bad. But that's because it's not taking itself too seriously. Honestly, let's say they did a movie with a superhero character called Nite Owl, who goes around doing vigilante work in an "Owl Ship" and dresses in a dark attire with a cape. You're telling me people wouldn't shake their head at the ridiculousness of it, especially since it's a "rip-off" of another superhero?

The only reason Nite Owl looks cool is because as a satire, it is cool. The costume is well done. But it cannot stand on it's own like Rorshach's for instance, much less Batman in Begins or The Dark Knight.

Again, cool costume as long as it isn't trying to be something it's not.
 
Yes, like Catwoman, most of the X-Men, etc, but they're also criticized and laughed at by a lot of people.

That's what I'm saying about the Nite Owl costume. It's not bad. But that's because it's not taking itself too seriously. Honestly, let's say they did a movie with a superhero character called Nite Owl, who goes around doing vigilante work in an "Owl Ship" and dresses in a dark attire with a cape. You're telling me people wouldn't shake their head at the ridiculousness of it, especially since it's a "rip-off" of another superhero?

The only reason Nite Owl looks cool is because as a satire, it is cool. The costume is well done. But it cannot stand on it's own like Rorshach's for instance, much less Batman in Begins or The Dark Knight.

Again, cool costume as long as it isn't trying to be something it's not.

so why would people laugh at the rediculousness of a man in a suit and cape when it comes to Nite-Owl but not when it comes to Batman???
When I looked at the NO suit I didnt think it was cool because it was a satire of Batman...I thought it was kool because they managed to find that balance between protection and fluidity that was missing from the Batman suit.
 
So why would people laugh at the rediculousness of a man in a suit and cape when it comes to Nite-Owl but not when it comes to Batman???

Exactly.
 
i thought the nightowl costume was better also. although BB's version was pretty bad-ass.
 
I think the guys who did the costume design for Batman begins and the Dark Knight, should take note of Night owl's costume. Not only did it look better than both Batman costumes, but it moved way better in the fight scenes. None of the Batman fight scenes looked convincing, because they looked way to stiff and slow. That's not the case with the Night Owl fight scenes.

The most hilarious part about this is that Batman's fight scenes actually used realistic fighting techniques (the Keysi Fighting Method), while the Watchmen fight scenes used fights derived from stage-combat techniques (basically, the flashiest, and often-times most ineffective in real-life situations, moves).
 
Sorry CS, but Batmans fighting style in TDK was crap. He is supposed to be one of the best martial artists in the world, and this is his repertoire. Arm lock, elbow smash, punch, arm lock, throw over shoulders, forearm smash. And...that's about it.

Batman should have MULTIPLE fighting styles, not just one. And the actual choreography was appaling. People were flinching before they were hit, people were visibly bracing themselves before they were hit, instead of actually trying to hit Batman. It just all looked so staged.

The fighting in the prison in Watchmen was better than any of the "fights" in TDK.

Oh, and Night-Owls suit was much better. :D
 
Sorry CS, but Batmans fighting style in TDK was crap. He is supposed to be one of the best martial artists in the world, and this is his repertoire. Arm lock, elbow smash, punch, arm lock, throw over shoulders, forearm smash. And...that's about it.

Batman should have MULTIPLE fighting styles, not just one. And the actual choreography was appaling. People were flinching before they were hit, people were visibly bracing themselves before they were hit, instead of actually trying to hit Batman. It just all looked so staged.

The fighting in the prison in Watchmen was better than any of the "fights" in TDK.

Oh, and Night-Owls suit was much better. :D
Hit the nail on the head... i hated batmans fighting in TDK... they need to get an asian fight choreographer cuz whoever is doing it now is not doing batman justice.


also NO's suit is way better than Batmans :o
 
Sorry CS, but Batmans fighting style in TDK was crap. He is supposed to be one of the best martial artists in the world, and this is his repertoire. Arm lock, elbow smash, punch, arm lock, throw over shoulders, forearm smash. And...that's about it.

Batman should have MULTIPLE fighting styles, not just one. And the actual choreography was appaling. People were flinching before they were hit, people were visibly bracing themselves before they were hit, instead of actually trying to hit Batman. It just all looked so staged.

The fighting in the prison in Watchmen was better than any of the "fights" in TDK.

Oh, and Night-Owls suit was much better. :D

Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely agree. I was just stating the irony of the whole situation. Watchmen's fights were quite a bit more impressive than any of Batman's in The Dark Knight. Sadly, though, is that the repertoire you said Batman had is basically what the Keysi Fighting Method is about- but it's not one that translates to screen very well (nor did all his opponents' stiffness and lack of real aggression).

However, I do kind of like Batman's suit better.
 
Yea fair points. I'm sure the Keysi Fighting Method is a great fighting style for actual real fighters. But it doesn't look entertaining at all.

And sure Batman is all about practicality and efficiency over flashy moves, but it wouldn't hurt if he mixed it up a bit, varied his styles.
 
Or at least see it in action
 

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