Nine

Yeah, I agree that Hudson's voice is much stronger than Kidman's but that they're all pretty good - I certainly prefer all of these voices over Zellweger's and Gere's in Chicago.

And yay, I'll (hopefully) be seeing this movie tomorrow. Can't wait!
 
So I just got back from the screening. The movie was FANTASTIC. Day-Lewis, Cotillard & Cruz are definitely deserving of all the Oscar buzz they're getting, and I will be extremely disappointed if any of them get left out of the nominations (the crowd I was with gave Cotillard her own applause during the end credits, which featured their rehearsal footage). Rob Marshall and Dion Beebe (the cinematographer) as well.

If I had to pick out a weakest link, it would be Kidman. I mean, Hudson and Loren were no more impressive than her, but Nicole had more to do, and I did get the feeling that she was a little miscast. I'm generally a fan of her work so I'm not a Kidman-basher, but this was far from her best work.

I did miss a couple of songs from the show that were cut (especially since my favorite was cut to make room for Hudson's catchy-yet-pointless one), and it seemed to miss a couple of the emotional beats/depth from the show, but in general I thought it was a pretty great adaptation.

Overall, I'd give it a 8.5/10. I'll definitely be paying to see it again.
 
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Visually, it was probably my favorite number with the red and black with the wide canvas. The sand with the tambourines was a particularly nice touch. As an editor, I loved the moment they chose to cut to the full wide shot of all the dancers - I actually got chills.[/geekout] I found it interesting though that aside from the lines you hear in the opening of the song, she has no spoken lines at all. I kind of have to wonder if she had some lines cut because she's not exactly an actress. But what did show up on screen she was fine in.
 
I've been hearing it's all style but little substance, any truth to that flickchick? Some of the Oscar bloggers I've been reading and listening to are saying it's gonna be one of these hate it or love it films.
 
Definitely no truth to that. In fact, even though I'm not a fan of "Cinema Italiano," I just read an article that really made me appreciate the whole number more, because the entire point of the song was a commentary on style-over-substance:

Enter Guido Contini ( Daniel Day-Lewis), world famous Italian filmmaker. Guido makes films that challenge him and his audience. Enter Stephanie (Kate Hudson), American fashion journalist and avid fan of Guido Contini's movies -- but for all the wrong reasons. She loves the style over the content. But his evocation of style and glamour in the seductive world he creates is a means to an end. He is hoping to delve beneath the facade when dealing with the characters and events in his films.

As a backdrop for Kate's "Cinema Italiano" musical sequence, director Rob Marshall and I wanted to convey the spirit and excitement of the exploding era of the '60s as models strut their stuff on the catwalk. The number starts with the rhythm of a drumbeat and escalates as Stephanie seduces Guido with her charm.

Reality and fantasy collide. The juxtaposition of these two worlds is the interesting and necessary spin for the number. The scene and the song intertwine, and what starts as a celebration ends up as a nightmare for Guido. He desperately needs to make a profound change in a deceitful life of lies and excess.

To conceive of an energetic '60s dance number for a true singer and dancer like Kate Hudson was pure joy. The discipline of dancers is sublime and we saw that Kate had it in her blood. We were hard on her, but she knew we wanted her to be the best she could be. She worked and worked and worked and never gave in to the strict demands of the number.

It was exhilarating imagining the driving beat and infectious energy of the '60s choreography for "Cinema Italiano" to help illustrate a dramatic turning point in Guido's life. The number found its way into the framework of the film only when the concept of the fantasy nightmare paid off in reality. Guido is slowly losing control of his fantasies. They, in turn, enlighten his predicament and begin to spotlight the dichotomy of Guido's psyche that leaves him trapped. He will have two choices -- self destruction or a requisite change.
http://theenvelope.latimes.com/news/la-en-lightsnine-2009dec09,0,4912797.story


Now, I'll admit, I didn't make that connection when watching the movie. But that was NOT the fault of Rob Marshall or the screenplay. Thinking back, I know all the signifiers were there, telling me this was happening to Guido. I just didn't connect them - I was too busy lamenting the fact that this was right around the time I should have been hearing "The Bells of St. Sebastian" (my favorite cut song from the show) instead.

There were other subtleties like that that I DID catch onto (the way the movie uses the character of Young Guido throughout was really well-done, IMO, and almost tells us more about the character's internal struggles than DDL does. Almost.), and I fear that like me, some of these bloggers may be missing some of them. So while it's not "style but little substance," it might be style overpowering the substance, in that the viewer may be too distracted by the style to catch all the substance, if that makes any sense.

I mean, for what it's worth, it's certainly got more depth than "Chicago," (which I realize was a satire). And "Moulin Rouge," for that matter.

But you may be right - I could see how it might be a love-it-or-hate-it type of film. Not so much because of the style-over-substance thing (really the more I think about it, I think it has MORE substance than just about any film musical I've seen), but because I've read some reviews saying it has no plot, or was boring. Well, it practically has the same plot as 8 1/2. So if you're bored with that type of plot, then Nine really isn't for you.
 
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Certainly looks like it's gonna be a love it or hate it films, RT has it split at 50% already and the reviews couldn't be more contrasting. Unfortunately I gotta wait a month after everyone else.
 
Yeah, RT doesn't have the UK reviews up yet (that's the only place it's premiered so far). The Guardian and The Telegraph both loved it - though I don't think the The Guardian has published their official review, they've seen it and pretty much rave about it in this article, while making a very valid point about why some people may not like it:
I found Nine a very moving film. I'm not sure if the public will take it to their hearts. Oh, the women are dazzling and then tragic. There are brilliant musical numbers. Director Rob Marshall has served the project admirably. This is not an attempt to assign credit. Tolkin did the first script, then Ant did a revision – handed in shortly before he died. The film belongs to all three men, and to Day-Lewis, who has a mixture of charm and the sinister that is unique. Still, this is a film about the soul-searching of a privileged, spoiled man – it is hardly a dilemma that is widely shared.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/nov/26/anthony-minghella-nine


Here's the Telegraph's (4/5 star) review:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/6720006/Nine-review.html


And while Richard Corliss at Time magazine hasn't posted his review yet, he at least appreciated the performances, as he's named Marion as one of the top 5 female performances of the year:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1944194_1944208,00.html


So while I'm sure there will be (and already are, apparently) some who hate it, I do think that RT rating will go up because, even if some reviewers don't love the film, they might feel the need to recommend it anyway due to the must-see performances, dazzling visuals, or one of the many other merits the film undeniably has. I look forward to reading the other reviews as they come out and hearing everyone else's opinions here when it opens, because I think it's a movie that will lend itself to great discussions and debates.


ETA: One for the "hated it" column, Owen Gleiberman from Entertainment Weekly:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20326000,00.html
 
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Im listening to the ''Cinema Italiano'' song. I like the Ron Fair remix better. But its still good.
 
I wanted to see this today, but alas is isn't playing in my town. The closest place that it is playing is in my state's capital 4 hours away.
 
Isn't this a 9 thread?

Anyhoo... I just watched it yesterday and I thought it was a great movie. I don't see what all the fuss was about it not having a story line and whatnot. While there could have been MORE story, I think it did the job. Simple, to the point. Humans let technology overrun and we all got killed. Like Terminator for the younger crowd. Not great, but definately watchable again.

I give 7 of 10.
 
Glad you liked it, Majik! With all the negative reviews I was thinking I might end up being the movie's lone defender in here, lol. I'm going to see Avatar again tomorrow with my dad but I'd much rather see Nine again. Too bad he's not a musical kinda guy.

Here's some B-Roll from the movie:


A surprisingly decent DDL interview on the TODAY show:


Marion Cotillard on TODAY:


And Penelope Cruz:


Come back when you've seen NINE, sandmjuggalos. ;)
 
Just found out that the release of the movie has been pushed back here for another month. It has been moved from January 7th to Februay 18.:argh:
 
That's too bad, Retroman. I'm kind of bummed that the reviews are killing the awards buzz for this movie because even if you assume all the flaws people are pointing out are legitimate, there are still several aspects of the film worthy of recognition. The cinematography, costuming and art direction are without-a-doubt Oscar-worthy.

And the performances: I realize people are pretty mixed on DDL's performance (even though I thought he was wonderful), but they're not remotely mixed on Cotillard's, and like Time magazine said, hers easily one of the top 5 female performances of the year, be it supporting OR lead. I'm glad the performances at least got recognized by the Golden Globes and Critics Choice Awards, but it's seeming more and more likely to me that Nine will be completely shut out at the Oscars, and that's just a damn shame, imo.

On a more positive note, Marion did just win the Actress Achievement Award at Palm Springs this week for her work in the movie, so that's a little encouraging. Here's a video of Rob Marshall presenting her with the award (along with a fairly random clip compilation of her work, lol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-Jjv9a2Ik
 

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