Doc Samson
Superhero Psychiatrist
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It's pretty sad that many are jumping off the Avengers bandwagon. Marvel is doing something fresh and unprecedented with a story arc that spans 6 movies (IM/IM2, Hulk, Thor, Cap, Avengers), yet people aren't happy with that. This is one of the great things about comic books and they are trying to translate it to the screen instead of a limited closed universe. It's a big risk, but that's whats so exciting about it and why there was a buzz at Comic Con. All of the movies in this story arc have been good, yet people are trying to find reason to hate on this experiment for some odd reason. Blaming Marvel as if it's Fox (who is mediocre in every way) or doing anything wrong in regards to it's movies. I listed the names of the big stars Marvel brought in, but apparently this isn't enough to quash these ridiculous 'cheap' claims. Some of the same people posting on this thread are those who were hating on Iron Man 2 throughout it's box office thread and blatantly wanted it to fail---so I really am not suprised. If Thor and Cap bomb at the box office (which isn't going to happen), it has nothing to do with Avengers. The Avengers will make money on the back of Robert Downey Jr. and the excitement this movie has been building for alot of people.
As for IM2, Black Widow and Nick Fury are Iron Man characters as much as they are Avengers characters. Nobody cried about Coulsen, so why Black Widow or Fury? He was as useless in IM1 as they supposedly were in IM2. Fury was barely even in the movie for starters. Two scenes, one of which was almost entirely regarding the plot of Iron Man 2 (paladium poisoning/Howard).
Finally, we don't have any proof that Favreau was upset about anything. It's possible that he just wanted to branch out and do different projects. Not getting too attached to one franchise. Chris Nolan is going to do the same thing after this next Batman movie. Favreau probally wants to be more like a Spielberg rather than a George Lucas, who is famous for one franchise. It's the same with James Cameron who moved on from Terminator, which he created.
The way you defend Marvel is just as ignorant as the people "blaming" Marvel, in your words. I'm not bashing anybody, I'm giving my honest opinion on the situation.
As far as Fury & Widow are concerned, who's to say that the whole palladium poisoning wasn't thrown in there just to justify their presence? Furthermore, Stark basically figured it out on his own, so what was the point of them? There was none, other than T&A in Scarlett's case, and bad comic relief on SLJ's part, that offered no comedy or relief, and a nod and a wink to the fans. Widow was in the movie more than Whiplash, and yet, she wasn't necessary to the proceedings, other than a fight at the end of the film. We just have different opinions, I told you this yesterday. This is just how I feel about it, that's it. Your opinion is no more right or wrong than mine.
And you shouldn't assume Thor/Cap will be huge successes either. Stranger things have happened, and the point I've been trying to make is that while we can debate about how much time the Avengers stuff took in IM2, there's no dispute that those subplots were much more a part of IM2 than IM1 or TIH. Thor's hammer at the end of the movie served the exact same purpose without having anything to do with the central film, and it took about 60 seconds. Instead of asking how much time the Avengers stuff took, ask yourself how much it added to the movie.