No X-4

[N_z0]

I think probably if you translate the dollars from 2000 and 2003 when those two movies were made it would probably be the same or close to X-3. Big budget movies are expensive to make.

If they wanted to save on budget? They should heed this advice: Don't rush the film!!!

 

[ntcrawler]

I think probably if you translate the dollars from 2000 and 2003 when those two movies were made it would probably be the same or close to X-3. Big budget movies are expensive to make.[/I]

Actually that's incorrect. This is the United States, not the RSA where the Rand fluctuates like a roller coaster. X-Men was released in 2000 and had a budget of around $60 million. Inflation rate's about 3-5%, that brings you nowhere close to the $200 million that X3 cost. In fact, X1 and X2 combined cost less than X3.

Big budget movies are expensive to make? Haha well that's a given. And low budget films are cheap to make

 

[Iceman]

Why did FOX get X-Men?

The worst thing that could have happened to us fans. From the 1st budget slash and opening date change for X1 it was obvious that these films wouldn't be treated with the respect they deserve. At least we got 3 reasonable films out of the deal.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I say bring back Marsden, Grammer, Paquin, Ashmore, Cudmore, and I've always said Angela Bassett should be casted as Storm.

Halle did so much *****ing, whining, and crying about how she felt Storm was a useless character and she still didn't do the character justice. Storm is supposed to be compassionate, noble, motherly, and yet powerful at the same time, all we saw in X3 was her with an anger management problem without any of the qualities that makes her a great character.

For X4 they should just go with the Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister storyline.

 

[ntcrawler]

Halle did so much *****ing, whining, and crying about how she felt Storm was a useless character and she still didn't do the character justice.

But don't you think that this was also due to the writer's incompetence? OK, so Halle wanted to expand her character more and give her something more to do. So what do they do? They make her the freaking headmistress and put her in charge of everything! Isn't that just a bit too much overkill?

Storm is supposed to be compassionate, noble, motherly, and yet powerful at the same time, all we saw in X3 was her with an anger management problem without any of the qualities that makes her a great character.

We saw more of that in X1 than we ever did in X3, yeah. The way she was freaking out angrily about the Cure and considering people cowards for even contemplating it was just baaaad.

For X4 they should just go with the Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister storyline.

I originally liked that idea, but now I'm a bit concerned. Don't you think that this is one story arc that cannot be reasonably compressed into a single feature-length film? I just don't see how in 90-120 minutes you could go from Sinister's secret plots (which would be big enough to warrant their own separate film) to rise of the Apocalypse to an all out battle between the good guys, Apocalypse and his Horsemen. Not without butchering it even more than they chopped up the Phoenix storyline in X3.

 

[TrailerCues]

Original Picture for the devils face - http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6568/bzw6.jpg

 

[La_She-Beast]

The true face of the devil

no , this is the true face of the devil

all disney's fault

 

[Retroman]

No X-4

So they're really thinking of making more than one Wolverine movies instead of an X4, X5, X6??! Why can't we have the Wolvie spin-off and then X4?

They say that the cast is too big and expensive but why couldn't they persuade the big stars to drop their asking price? The cast of the Ocean films do that so i don't see why it couldn't happen with the X-cast.

 

[Bastila]

They say that the cast is too big and expensive but why couldn't they persuade the big stars to drop their asking price? The cast of the Ocean films do that so i don't see why it couldn't happen with the X-cast.

thats a good point, didn't think of that, and those films where bad though.

 

[Retroman]

This is so crazy. They're actually going to make a Pirates 4?! The whole POTC franchise concept came from a theme park ride i think. X-Men has been around for over 40 years. Theres tons of stories that have yet to be told in live-action.They could go on until X10 if they wanted.

 

[Bastila]

Yeah didn't you know about Pirates, they might even make more then 4 as well.

Disney got the money to do that, they are loaded with it.

 

[Retroman]

thats a good point, didn't think of that, and those films where bad though.

Even that franchise is getting a third installment.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Despite what some people might think about ruining the franchise or whatever, the news of no X-Men 4 is actually a blessing in disguise.

Look, I, just as much as anyone here, still have things that I wanna see in an X-Men film. I still haven't gotten Gambit. 3 movies and countless broken promises, and I still haven't seen my favorite character on the big screen. But I've gotten to see a bunch of "who the **** is that guy?!" characters. Whoo-****ing-hoo!

But you have to look at the big picture.

Whether it was the right choice or not (and ideally, I don't believe it was, because ideally, this franchise could have easily gone 4 or 5 films), X-Men: The Last Stand was made to bring closure to the series. And it did.

Making an X-Men 4 would be like making a 4th Lord of the Rings film... what's the point? Everything has been resolved. There's nothing left of the story to tell.

I understand that there are hundreds of comic stories and characters to choose from. But you have to understand, when adapting a comic book to a film, lots and lots of things are going to be left out. You're never gonna get to see all of your favorite characters and story arcs adapted to the big screen.

And in terms of the story that the movies were telling, it's over. Closure has been brought. There's nothing left to tell. All the story arcs that were built up in the 1st 2 movies were concluded in this one. It didn't open up any new story arcs. Xavier and Magneto don't count. Those aren't story arcs.

Too many characters have been killed or cured. Talk about how many characters there are in the comics to pull from, but it's just not the same if you don't have Jean Grey and Cyclops. And due to actors not coming back, it wouldn't be the same without Storm or Wolverine either. In my totally Gambit-centric world, not even Gambit is a good enough replacement for those core characters of the X-Men, PERIOD, not just the movies.

I will agree that there's enough source material that these movies COULD HAVE gone beyond 3, to at least 4, probably even 5. But these movies didn't take that direction. And sometimes, you just have to quit while you're ahead.

 

[ntcrawler]

They say that the cast is too big and expensive but why couldn't they persuade the big stars to drop their asking price? The cast of the Ocean films do that so i don't see why it couldn't happen with the X-cast.

Part of it is because of the hype. If the film they want you to work on is going to be the biggest, most incredible and most hyped up thing out there and make tonnes and tonnes of money, then as a cast member you want that fair share of the pie. If they kept it more low key, so would the salaries. I don't doubt though that most of the cast members absolutely loved what they were working on and portraying the chars. But ufortunately this isn't a fan film, and there are alot of hostile politics involved in making it.

 

[Retroman]

Yeah didn't you know about Pirates, they might even make more then 4 as well.

Disney got the money to do that, they are loaded with it.

I read somewhere that Depp had said that. I thought he was joking.

 

[triplefive]

Rothman should just learn to use a camera and direct his own crappy movies. :P

 

[ntcrawler]

This is so crazy. They're actually going to make a Pirates 4?! The whole POTC franchise concept came from a theme park ride i think. X-Men has been around for over 40 years. Theres tons of stories that have yet to be told in live-action.They could go on until X10 if they wanted.

Yes, but it seems that the targetted viewing audience isn't intelligent enough to appreciate the 40 years of stories. They want big exciting scenes and explosions and stunts and more explosions and bright cheerful costumes and scary monsters. POTC gave them that. X-men the way you and I want to see it portrayed wouldn't give them that. So instead they got X3, which is a far cry from what X-men was supposed to be if you watch X1 and listen to the commentaries, and loved it. FOX made lots of money, so as far as they're concerned the audience got exactly what they wanted, so therefore they must make more movies in that style. If it bombed like Batman Forever, it would send a different message. But the fact that it's reasonably successful means they're not going to change tactics now. Only a massive protest and petition by the fan community could change things. Maybe.

 

[triplefive]

Actually that's incorrect. This is the United States, not the RSA where the Rand fluctuates like a roller coaster. X-Men was released in 2000 and had a budget of around $60 million. Inflation rate's about 3-5%, that brings you nowhere close to the $200 million that X3 cost. In fact, X1 and X2 combined cost less than X3.

Big budget movies are expensive to make? Haha well that's a given. And low budget films are cheap to make

They film in Canada, and our dollar rose like 20-25 cents to the American dollar between 2000 and 2005. Their costs probably went up a lot there, too.

 

[TrailerCues]

This is so crazy. They're actually going to make a Pirates 4?! The whole POTC franchise concept came from a theme park ride i think. X-Men has been around for over 40 years. Theres tons of stories that have yet to be told in live-action.They could go on until X10 if they wanted.

Also with the fact that the time of Pirates is supposedly going to be over in by the end of POTC 3. What will the second trilogy be about Jack going legit & all that crap ?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Who cares about Jack Sparrow and his goonies, I want my X-Men!!

 

[MaleRogue]

Sounds like bull **** to me

 

[Retroman]

Despite what some people might think about ruining the franchise or whatever, the news of no X-Men 4 is actually a blessing in disguise.

Look, I, just as much as anyone here, still have things that I wanna see in an X-Men film. I still haven't gotten Gambit. 3 movies and countless broken promises, and I still haven't seen my favorite character on the big screen. But I've gotten to see a bunch of "who the **** is that guy?!" characters. Whoo-****ing-hoo!

I wanted to see Gambit badly.

Part of it is because of the hype. If the film they want you to work on is going to be the biggest, most incredible and most hyped up thing out there and make tonnes and tonnes of money, then as a cast member you want that fair share of the pie. If they kept it more low key, so would the salaries. I don't doubt though that most of the cast members absolutely loved what they were working on and portraying the chars. But ufortunately this isn't a fan film, and there are alot of hostile politics involved in making it.

The cast say they love the films so much and they say the love their fellow cast and crew members so much. Now if this is the case and they all enjoy working with either so much, then why not make a sacrifice to do that?So what if you don't make 15 million this time around.Why not settle for 5 or less?I would

 

[Retroman]

Rothman should just learn to use a camera and direct his own crappy movies. :P

AVP 3

 

[TrailerCues]

The cast say they love the films so much and they say the love their fellow cast and crew members so much

Somehow I doubt that. Especially with FOX now openly whining that bringing the whole cast back together gets more expensive with each Movie.

 

[Mauser9910]

That's the stupidest argument to decide not to greenlight another film !
Many died in X3 or lost their powers and there's no contractual obligation to keep Storm or Beast or anybody on the film.

I say give it some time, Rothman's head will roll and the next suit may not be "confident" enough (read stupid) to pass on X4.