No X-4

[ntcrawler]

Despite what some people might think about ruining the franchise or whatever, the news of no X-Men 4 is actually a blessing in disguise.

I suppose it saves us from the pain, considering what they could come up with next after seeing X3 [shudders]

Look, I, just as much as anyone here, still have things that I wanna see in an X-Men film. I still haven't gotten Gambit. 3 movies and countless broken promises, and I still haven't seen my favorite character on the big screen.

I agree. I feel the same way. 3 movies and no Gambit.

But I've gotten to see a bunch of "who the **** is that guy?!" characters. Whoo-****ing-hoo!

we're still rewatching those scenes and trying to figure out who the hell is that over there and there

Whether it was the right choice or not (and ideally, I don't believe it was, because ideally, this franchise could have easily gone 4 or 5 films), X-Men: The Last Stand was made to bring closure to the series. And it did.

I prefer dead end to the series, or coffin lid to the series. Storywise, it didn't bring closure because it didn't resolve or explain most things that were established or hinted at by the rest of the series.

Making an X-Men 4 would be like making a 4th Lord of the Rings film... what's the point? Everything has been resolved. There's nothing left of the story to tell.

Again, see above. Although I suppose you're right in at least one sense. When 1/2 the cast is eliminated, then everything that was established about them, anything left to answer (and there were quite a few things) now becomes a moot point. Dead characters can't tell anymore stories. You really don't care anymore about Jean and Scott's relationship and issues and hopes when they're both... well... "dead", for example. But that's not really resolving anything. It's just a cheap way to get out.

And in terms of the story that the movies were telling, it's over. Closure has been brought. There's nothing left to tell. All the story arcs that were built up in the 1st 2 movies were concluded in this one.

Some people don't agree. Again, killing off or removing characters is one way to end a story arc, but it doesn't resolve or explain, anything. In fact, it's just avoiding the issue entirely.

It didn't open up any new story arcs. Xavier and Magneto don't count. Those aren't story arcs.

Actually, Xavier vs Magneto was the primary story arc of these 3 films. Xavier's ideology and forces vs Magneto's. It sort-of got wrapped up, except it contradicted a scene in X1. Magneto: "the War is coming, Charles." Charles: "And I intend to be there, old friend". Whoops, he got turned into sand before he got a chance to be there. Characters like these don't say something unless they mean them, don't make promises unless they intend to keep them. To me that was a cheap and blatant dis-service to Xavier's character. Having them both die at Alcatraz and be buried side by side, together united as friends once again for all eternity, IMHO would be a much better way of resolving and ending this story arc. To leave the conflict, and their hopes, to the next generation.

Too many characters have been killed or cured. Talk about how many characters there are in the comics to pull from, but it's just not the same if you don't have Jean Grey and Cyclops.

Exactly. And these kinds of antics by the writers do not make for good storytelling. Killing characters off because you have a checklist of things to do does not make for a good story. It also makes it hard to tell more of the story when not enough people are left. Still it scares me that after 3 movies, everything reaches a dead end. The characters even in the movieverse took YEARS of hard work and dedication to get where they are. And it all went to hell in about...in less than a year. i'm guessing about a week's worth of plot for X1, then 2-3 days for X2 after skipping over a couple of weeks, and then after 8 months another week or so for X3. That's pretty quick. Not much to show for their effort except for empty seats at the dinner table, and 3 graves in the backyard, 2 of which are empty.

There's always a retcon. They skipped over Highlander 2, they skipped over Superman 3 and 4, there's no reason they could skip over X3 if they had tho guts, but I doubt they do.

 

[S7ilver]

I would've thought you'd all be happy with this news after the *****ing and moaning everyone started after X3. Be happy they're only going to "destroy" the Wolverine Movie.

 

[Bastila]

Be happy they're only going to "destroy" the Wolverine Movie.

lol, i will be, that made me smile.

 

[Retroman]

Yes, but it seems that the targetted viewing audience isn't intelligent enough to appreciate the 40 years of stories. They want big exciting scenes and explosions and stunts and more explosions and bright cheerful costumes and scary monsters. POTC gave them that. X-men the way you and I want to see it portrayed wouldn't give them that. So instead they got X3, which is a far cry from what X-men was supposed to be if you watch X1 and listen to the commentaries, and loved it. FOX made lots of money, so as far as they're concerned the audience got exactly what they wanted, so therefore they must make more movies in that style. If it bombed like Batman Forever, it would send a different message. But the fact that it's reasonably successful means they're not going to change tactics now. Only a massive protest and petition by the fan community could change things. Maybe.

I do think the target is intelligent enough to appreciate these stories.Its just the way they want them told that seemed to have changed.

Batman Forever did not bomb btw. Batman & Robin did.

Also with the fact that the time of Pirates is supposedly going to be over in by the end of POTC 3. What will the second trilogy be about Jack going legit & all that crap ?

They should end it with POTC3.

 

[Slim_X]

Anyone knows for how many years FOX will own X-Men?

 

[ntcrawler]

Anyone knows for how many years FOX will own X-Men?

4 more years I believe. if they make a Magneto and Wolverine movie, that's not enough to make X4

 

[Sebastos]

I have no idea, and X3 being the last one i really hope not. So much more can be done and they left The Last Stand ending open ended. Anythings possible.

 

[god/devil]

This does actually make me slightly happy and angry at the same time.

 

[Sebastos]

You're not the only one.

 

[XCharlieX]

Making an X-Men 4 would be like making a 4th Lord of the Rings film... what's the point? Everything has been resolved. There's nothing left of the story to tell.

I understand that there are hundreds of comic stories and characters to choose from. But you have to understand, when adapting a comic book to a film, lots and lots of things are going to be left out. You're never gonna get to see all of your favorite characters and story arcs adapted to the big screen...

I will agree that there's enough source material that these movies COULD HAVE gone beyond 3, to at least 4, probably even 5. But these movies didn't take that direction. And sometimes, you just have to quit while you're ahead.

I think technically they could make an x4, but it would be soulless and end up starting to repeat itself. The point is, you need a super strong theme that isnt stale and the mutant struggle has been used up already in 3 films. To understand this one must accept the fact that from a film standpoint, the mutant struggle is THE point of all of these comic stories and others are basically tangents that the comic books had to take to keep folks entertained. You adapt a new theme and it begins to ramble and is bad film making when it comes to Singers classy films and Ratners conclusion.

 

[Slim_X]

4 more years I believe. if they make a Magneto and Wolverine movie, that's not enough to make X4

4 years is ok, I hope Marvel isn't stupid enough to renew the contract in case FOX wants to.

 

[Angamb]

But will Marvel do a better sequel? have they the budget?

I think whatever the people involved in the franchise say, there will be an X4, don't know when and how, but there will.

 

[Retroman]

X-Men is second only to Spider-Man as a marvel movie franchise. Fox will not let go of it so easily i think.

They also seem to be planning way beyond 4 years from now with Wolverine, the Wolverine and X-Men animated show, Magneto, the X-kids spinoff and the Emma Frost spin-off.

Makes you wonder, has Fox secretly been negotiating (or signed) a longer deal for X-Men franchise? Marvel could never finance a movie the size of X-Men by themselves i think.

 

[MaleRogue]

Well I think there should be an X4..They can tell why the cure did not work and all because Magneto got his power back so Rogue and Raven should get their powers back to, bring Scott and the Professor back again because we heard Charles at the end.
X3 was such an open ending that there has to be an X4 we always can bring apocolypse and sinister in

 

[Retroman]

If there was never going to be an X4, what was the freaking point of those endings? Magneto should have remained powerless and Xavier dead.

 

[MaleRogue]

You got it Retroman...
That is why I think that it is important for all of us fans that there should be an X4

 

[ntcrawler]

X-Men is second only to Spider-Man as a marvel movie franchise. Fox will not let go of it so easily i think.

Ironic considering FOX never liked X-men to begin with. They seized it more as a result of a land-grab so that another studio wouldn't get the rights first.

They also seem to be planning way beyond 4 years from now with Wolverine, the Wolverine and X-Men animated show, Magneto, the X-kids spinoff and the Emma Frost spin-off.

But how many of those are going to happen? Seems the only thing certain is Wolverine and the Wolverine and friends animated show. Magneto possibly but nothing specific about Emma Frost as far as I know. And how can you do an Emma Frost spinoff if she wasn't in any of the original films or even mentioned?

Makes you wonder, has Fox secretly been negotiating (or signed) a longer deal for X-Men franchise? Marvel could never finance a movie the size of X-Men by themselves i think.

I don't think it would ever be their intention to do so. They are a comics company after all, not a movie studio. I think live action was more of an unexpected blessing..

 

[XCharlieX]

If there was never going to be an X4, what was the freaking point of those endings?

Well, Fox is a corporation and they like money foremost. They always make sure theres a door for more. If they cant get the same crowd as before theyll try for those who just want action. Whether wise or not they keep their options open.

And i see x3s ending also as leniency really on folks who dont want to see them go out "like that". It really wasnt necessary imo. I think its ok to hint at the saga continuing while not actually making another.

 

[ntcrawler]

If there was never going to be an X4, what was the freaking point of those endings? Magneto should have remained powerless and Xavier dead.

I'm guessing it was more of an attempt not to depress the fans TOO much than to plan anything specific to do with it. I'll give you another example.

Anyone here remeber the League of Extraordinairy Gentlemen? That one had an open ending too. An ending as open and optimistic as Magneto's chesspiece of Xavier waking up in his new body. But it's fairly certain LXG won't have a sequel.

And to be honest, the way X3 was played out, Magneto and Xavier are the two characters I'd least like to see return. Magneto lost his war and it's over. And Xavier, the lying, controlling SOB he was portrayed as in regards to Jean, didn't deserve that kind of merciful return. Hell Jean and Scott and Mystique deserve to be back way more than those two.

 

[Slim_X]

But will Marvel do a better sequel? have they the budget?

They could sell it to Sony or some other studio.

 

[XCharlieX]

You know i really wish there was a company that had the guts to end one of these types of sagas without a door for more. Franchises would be better off for it.

 

[Retroman]

You got it Retroman...
That is why I think that it is important for all of us fans that there should be an X4

I think the Box office numbers are saying what fans want but fox aren't responding to the cries.

But how many of those are going to happen? Seems the only thing certain is Wolverine and the Wolverine and friends animated show. Magneto possibly but nothing specific about Emma Frost as far as I know.

They're in talks with writer/director David O.Russell about Frost. Good director and it gives hope for the quality they're aiming for in these spin-offs.

And how can you do an Emma Frost spinoff if she wasn't in any of the original films or even mentioned?

Thats a good point.They could have easily done a Mystique or Storm movie.

I don't think it would ever be their intention to do so. They are a comics company after all, not a movie studio. I think live action was more of an unexpected blessing..

I thought they were going to produce they're own movies? Doesn't that make them a studio? Its called Marvel Studios after all.

 

[ntcrawler]

They could sell it to Sony or some other studio.

IT all depends on who gets the rights. 20th Century FOX gave us Star Wars, but George Lucas was and is still in control, so he wouldn't get as much interference from Rothman and his politics. If there was a way to put the rights of X-Men in the hands of a fan who was one stepped removed from FOX's politics, it would make a big difference. Instead, we have a franchise where the board of directors is telling the filmmakers what kind of plot to do, which chars to keep or kill off, etc. And that's not right.

 

[XCharlieX]

Hmm one thing i hope Marvel does when they get their slate of new films released is respect the film makers artistic freedom. Stan Lee seems like a cool guy though in this respect it seems.

 

[ntcrawler]

I thought they were going to produce they're own movies? Doesn't that make them a studio? Its called Marvel Studios after all.

That would be good. As long as Morrison doesn't get to write the scripts. Then they could farm out the project to companies like NewLine Cinema who's known for giving the actual creative department the freedom they need to bring a film to life the way it's meant to be