No X-4

[AznBABYBANDIT]

They have the contract to keep it until 2020 ( 20 years)

Then it was said to stop at all movies unless Fox does a good job...

 

[Untilteld]

Damnit, great way to end the series RATNER!!!!

 

[La_She-Beast]

two humans can be strong enough to throw a kid.

lmao that phrase sounds so weird...

 

[squeekness]

I believe FOX has the rights for 4 more years.

I wonder if it would profitable for FOX to sell the rights to another studio so someone else could make X4.

And I still don't see why X4 couldn't be made with an all new cast of X-men we haven't seen yet. So many of them haven't even been used.

 

[gambitfire]

Thank god!! no remake. Boy im relieved. SONY NEEDS TO BUY THOSE RIGHTS!!! ASAP!

 

[Asteroid-Man]

well once avi's contract ends nect year, the new CEO could put wolverine on hiatus and begin X4... if we're lucky

 

[thegameq]

Suit yourself.

Honestly, when you got a director like singer filtering the material from comics, I find that a true artform and yes, better than lots of the comic counterparts. Comic pages dont do it for me.

So in your opinion how should the Spider-man films have been handled? Do you think Raimi should have taken more liberties with the character?

 

[triplefive]

well once avi's contract ends nect year, the new CEO could put wolverine on hiatus and begin X4... if we're lucky

Doubtful; as far as making business decisions go, Wolverine will get them a lot more bang for their buck. Why would they drop that in favour of X4?

If anything, the Magneto movie sounds questionable. If it's not McKellen, I don't know how they could draw that many people to the theatres.

 

[N_z0]

Speaking of Leech, does anyone else think they should have cast someone who looked younger? I didn't even mind the lack of green skin anymore but Cameron Bright looked so out of place as a helpless mutant.

 

[javon]

Guess I won't get to see Storm after all Well unless she's in a spin-off, but still, . I would like to see the younger generation though.

 

[narrows101]

Doubtful; as far as making business decisions go, Wolverine will get them a lot more bang for their buck. Why would they drop that in favour of X4?

The Wolverine movie is definitely a "go" - I bet Hugh starts filming it after he finishes the movie he's filming with Nicole Kidman starting in February - it sounds like the script is pretty much done and all they need is a director.

 

[ntcrawler]

The Wolverine movie is definitely a "go" - I bet Hugh starts filming it after he finishes the movie he's filming with Nicole Kidman starting in February - it sounds like the script is pretty much done and all they need is a director.

See, and they're doing that again. They take a script and shove it into a director's hands. Whatever happened to giving a director the chance to contribute putting the script together as well?

 

[PhoenixFire]

Interesting that "driving a tough bargain" and "running a no-nonsense business" means taking the series that first breathed new life into the superhero movie franchise, converting it into dreck, and then claiming it has "run it's course."

Definitely sounds like nonsense to me...

Does this at least mean the rights to the movies can be bought up by a respectable production company?

 

[danoyse]

See, and they're doing that again. They take a script and shove it into a director's hands. Whatever happened to giving a director the chance to contribute putting the script together as well?

Shoving what? They've already been speaking with directors and the script has already gone through several drafts. Directors don't always write the film.

 

[ntcrawler]

Interesting that "driving a tough bargain" and "running a no-nonsense business" means taking the series that first breathed new life into the superhero movie franchise, converting it into dreck, and then claiming it has "run it's course."

Good point. They're treating it like a disposable commodity. Once the container runs out of gold, you throw out the container. Once the goose lays its last golden egg, you choke it to get one more egg out, then kill it.

It would probably have happened anyways. It's only fate that chose X-men to be the franchise that gets screwed, even though out of all the choices X-men has the most potential, with the largest universe, most characters, and therefore the most stories that could be told.

Does this at least mean the rights to the movies can be bought up by a respectable production company?

"Art for art's sake" isn't what it used to be.

 

[danoyse]

So in your opinion how should the Spider-man films have been handled? Do you think Raimi should have taken more liberties with the character?

Well, I think the difference is that Sam Raimi was a huge Spiderman comics fan before he did the movies. Bryan Singer hadn't read the X-Men comics before he took on the first movie. They would have had entirely different takes on their projects.

 

[ntcrawler]

Shoving what?

Taking a director, dropping a script into his lap, and saying "film it".

They've already been speaking with directors and the script has already gone through several drafts. Directors don't always write the film.

They don't always write the film, but since they do play a large role into how a story is made into a film, they should be involved in the creative process as well. That's how LOTR was made. That's how Spiderman 1 and 2 were made. That's how the first 2 X-men movies were made. That's not how X3 was made. And you can see the difference.

 

[danoyse]

Taking a director, dropping a script into his lap, and saying "film it".

Not at all, they've already been meeting with directors.

They don't always write the film, but since they do play a large role into how a story is made into a film, they should be involved in the creative process as well. That's how LOTR was made. That's how the first 2 X-men movies were made. That's not how X3 was made. And you can see the difference.

But they don't get a writing credit for every film they direct...they don't always contribute to the writing of the film.

LOTR was Peter Jackson's project from the beginning...he was the one pitching it to the studios, he co-wrote the screenplay, and co-produced. Not all directors do that, but it doesn't mean they're not all part of the collaborative process.

 

[PhoenixFire]

It is expected of a "Great Film," or any great piece of drama, that the director provide the driving zeitgeist of a production. Zeitgeist is a German term coined by Wagner (?I think?).

What it means is that they supposed to provide the creative spirit for the whole production, being personally inspired by it and providing their vision for the whole production. Nowadays, that often does mean some input on the script before it is finished.

For example, The Rat's zeitgeist for X:LTS was apparently to drain all intellect from the characters, throw in a few explosions, and then call it a wrap. Rothman greeted this vision with open arms until he got the bill.

 

[danoyse]

What it means is that they supposed to provide the creative spirit for the whole production, being personally inspired by it and providing their vision for the whole production. Nowadays, that often does mean some input on the script before it is finished.

Yes, I'm aware of the director's role in the process. But where is the proof, per ncrwler's post, that Fox is "shoving" a Wolverine script at a director to have no say in the project?

The movie has been in development for awhile, they've met with directors, they haven't set the release date (which is what they did for X3, hence the rushed shooting schedule), and they're actually waiting for Hugh to be available before they start shooting.

They have one major cast member (so far) to bring back for this film--no ensemble with demands...it's an entirely different situation.

For example, The Rat's zeitgeist for X:LTS was apparently to drain all intellect from the characters, throw in a few explosions, and then call it a wrap. Rothman greeted this vision with open arms until he got the bill.

And that's entirely an opinion in regards to Ratner. If anything, he's been getting credit for being able to come in such short notice and direct a film that's been a big hit for the studio.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Proof has always been a fairly relative thing on these boards. Unless I've misread something (and I very well may have) the 'script is done' and no director has been selected, that would indicate the director has had no input on the script, and thus will not be involved in that part of the creative vision.

It doesn't mean it will be 'shoved ina director's lap' but it does mean there may be less likelihood of the director being able to influence the film. Given Rothman's command of the studio, that's likely how he wants it anyway.

 

[ntcrawler]

Yes, I'm aware of the director's role in the process. But where is the proof, per ncrwler's post, that Fox is "shoving" a Wolverine script at a director to have no say in the project?

Excuse my use of metaphors. My response was based on what you posted earlier. That a script is ready, but a director is not. That to me means the powers that be already have their own vision for what they want the movie to be about, which characters to use, etc and the director's just going to be there along for the ride. He'll get to decide shot angles, but not the overall plot. And that to me is not a good way to make a movie. As PhoenixForce pointed out, a director being able to be the driving spirit behind a film and having in active role in putting the story together is what gives a movie its essential magic, and from the sound of things, the story behind Wolverine is going to be as locked down by FOX's management as the story behind X3.

 

[genufine]

.............I originally liked that idea, but now I'm a bit concerned. Don't you think that this is one story arc that cannot be reasonably compressed into a single feature-length film? I just don't see how in 90-120 minutes you could go from Sinister's secret plots (which would be big enough to warrant their own separate film) to rise of the Apocalypse to an all out battle between the good guys, Apocalypse and his Horsemen. Not without butchering it even more than they chopped up the Phoenix storyline in X3.

Agreed. But you see, it took a trilogy for Magneto and his "Brotherhood" arc. Maybe the Sinister could have a trilogy as well...? The last movie of the third could have the rise of apocalypse - as its climax.

 

[genufine]

Given Rothman's command of the studio, that's likely how he wants it anyway.

Rothman needs a blow to his ego - once and for all. We've seen it with Electra and others that not all solo movies will be very profitable. I bet he's banking that Wolverine could do as well as Spiderman movies - but I can guarantee he's going to be very dissapointed.

People do not want to see a solo wolverine movie, X-men attracts fans because everyone has a different X-man(woman) as their favorite. Fox doesnt seem to realize this.

At this point I hope they invest alot of money and time into this movie because I want to see the look on Rothmans face after admitting his decisions were crap.

Finally, I would like to reveal his strategy to you guys. Why do you think Wolverine killed Jean? And said "I love you" in the end? He wanted to show wolverine as the hero and tragic hero. Hero+Tragic Hero = more audience. More Audience= More Money. I never counted on Cyclops doing anything but being worm food. I was suprised at all when they wanted to have him dead very early in the movie. It had nothing to do with X3s story, but more to do with how to get more money with Wolverines movie.

You guys have no clue, as audience members how much power you really have.

 

[genufine]

Sorry double posted