No X-4

genufine said:
People do not want to see a solo wolverine movie, X-men attracts fans because everyone has a different X-man(woman) as their favorite. Fox doesnt seem to realize this.

Sorry I have to disagree with you here - Wolverine is the most famous X-Man and I know A LOT of people that wouldn't see an X-Man movie if Hugh/Wolverine wasn't in it and would ONLY go see a Wolverine movie because of Hugh. And by the time this movie comes out who knows where Hugh's star will be since he's getting Oscar buzz for "The Fountain."
 
genufine said:
You guys have no clue, as audience members how much power you really have.

I think it's more like we didn't realize until now just how big of a stand and how much noise we as fans need to make in order to give the franchise and its characters their dignity back. Similar to the fight that gave the fans Batman Begins.

Unfortunately since there is a large number of people who actually liked and enjoyed what they saw and don't feel upset or angry, that doesn't make things easier. The kinds of things that we were disappointed with wasn't noticed by the majority of the summer blockbuster audience that X3 was aimed for.
 
agreed. And the chances of someone coming on here and reading our statements, are...well a little too high.
 
I think Fox is making a big mistake. I , for one, am not excited about the Wolverine movie. I've already seen 3! (X1, X2, X3), so to try and say that Wolverine is getting his own movie is quite hilarious. Fox said it themselves that they wanted the X movies to be focused on Wolverine.

Is Wolverine even the most popular anymore? I'm tired of him, I want to see more of the other characters. Fox is going in the WRONG direction, and as we can CLEARLY see, Disney is doing things right.
 
The Original Bamfer said:
(What if Cyclops was in the forest scene? He wouldn't be able to be thrown out...). So many unfortunate factors make Wolverine the lead.

If that was Cyclops, he could have been overwhelmed by the sheer number of goons coming at him. Or Jean herself could have thrown him out.
 
AznBABYBANDIT said:
Well, they were allowed to invent... Movie Verse...

"movies are not the comics" is not an acceptable excuse for bad writing. Spiderman was reinvented for the movieverse, and there's little argument that SONY and Raimi got that one "right"
 
X-men isnt about Wolverine. Am i right in saying X-men worked without Wolverine in the original X-men comics??
 
The Ones said:
X-men isnt about Wolverine. Am i right in saying X-men worked without Wolverine in the original X-men comics??

It worked just fine without him from 1964 until 1975. And even when he is present, unless it's a Wolverine spinoff or side story focusing on him, he's usually there but not always in the front. Sometimes he has his moments, other times he's in the background. There's a more balanced feel to it than what we got in the movies.
 
After reading them posts ^

I think X-men would have worked without Logan in them really, maybe they should have brought him in X2 or something.
 
If they do an X-men reboot, hopefuly they can focus on the original X-men and bring in new ones later
 
Good Idea... That way Singer could have focused on the relationship between Jean and Scott...for the most part of the movie and bring in Logan which sets up a little love triangle in the second film. or something... near the end you could have a scene when Jean and Logan look at each other smiling after the X-Men little victory thus we start seeing the beginning of their friendship which leads into the second film and carries throughout the film with a balance of Jean and Scott & Jean and Logan...
 
See as much as some parts on X3 annoyed me, i don't want a re-make really, only if the same actors are casted which wont happen.
So no re-make just X4 really.
 
Want to piss off Fox? Don't watch the Wolverine movie, and pray that it bombs.
 
OK LET ME GET THIS OFF MY MIND.

Don't you see you are all being blinded by what Fox excutives are stating about X-Men movies.

They are right, it is costly to make such films but its those sort of films that makes Fox alot of money, despite the massive payout they still get more money from x-men movies than they do with new unknown movies.

Ok this is why i know there will be an X-Men 4... Give it 5 years, Wolverine will be made but i doubt magneto will unless its given more hype. After Wolverine the studio will wonder the possibitly of a Wolverine 2 Or probably call it W2 knowing them. Or other spin offs from the marvel universe. They will fail in finding one because well you really only have Wolverine that would work.

So what do you do? You go back to X-Men. why because it was totally left open, with no real leads to any spin offs other than Wolverine. Firstly X-Men 3 lost alot of characters and not all have to return for a sequel.

So what if they made x-men 4 is there 16 characters that need to return... NO! at most only 7 characters need to return. Magneto is cured although signs of him returning his powers was left open. But thats it his rain as villian is over, there is no more need for him to be in the movie any more. As for Mystique, or any of the botherhood members. So thats at least 3 from the 16 characters leaving 13. X-Men wise, Xavier, Gone, Jean, Gone, Cyclops, Gone personnely you dont need to bring back two of them or all three for that matter. Overall, Angel made about the same impact Nightcrawler did so i doubt he will be in x-men 4 if made.

So who would return... Wolverine, Storm, Beast as defecto leaders of the school now Xavier has gone. Iceman, Rogue, Colossus and Kitty are the only characters with a need to return. So thats seven

If you were to add new characters we could limit the villians for the next one two 3. Gambit, Sinister and Vertigo for example. Sinister becomes defacto villian like magneto does, Vertigo a very much different mystique type. And Gambit who plays for both sides.

My point being thats only 10 people. not 16.

If X-Men 4 did introduce the characters of Gambit or Sinister or even the Hellfire club we would get better spin offs.

Gambit has the potential to be a spin off but you need to use him in a movie to do so first. Hence why they need to make x-men 4. The Hellfire play alot to Emma Frost. the problem with the idea of an Emma Frost and the New Mutants movie is too much like x-men only slightly younger. and more a teen flick. If you had a background bases in x-men movies you would have a better response from an New Mutants movie.

So why is a spin off a failure?

Well its not so much a failure as to what currently was set by the previous films. They over used Wolverine and people want more. But what other character really stood out above him. Fox seems to think Magneto i tend to differ. A need for a 4th could of been avoided if Fox let Singer have free will over how and the story would be written and when it could be made. I dont blame ratner, i just feel he was under a leash, he did a good job with what he had to deal with but i feel like singer he could of made it something more if they took of the rains.

The thing is give them 5 years let them make wolverine and see what response it will get.

The only problem with Wolverine if they make a sequel, would the characters return? I mean i heard Juggernaut may reappear so Sabertooth. Plus what if they team Wolverine up with lets say Gambit or Guido or other characters from the marvel universe.

Its not going to work past the first wolverine movie but a sequel would cripple it.

And then they will go back to X-MEN 4 idea.

so what do you think
 
Angel should return too, and Xavier will be in it in some form. Plus I think Magneto, Pyros and Mystique will return too, but maybe in a shorter roles, specially Magneto. If you add Gambit and Emma, the list is almost the same as X3, because gambit and Emma are replacing Jean and Scott.
More I think Nightcrawler should return too.

But anyway, I think one day there will be a X4, and I'd say between 2009 and 2011. Remember it.
 
Angamb said:
But anyway, I think one day there will be a X4, and I'd say between 2009 and 2011. Remember it.

Remember it? My friend, after what X3 did to us, we are not going to forget it! We have some good energy here in these and other forums. The only trick is to keep the momentum going.
 
narrows101 said:
Sorry I have to disagree with you here - Wolverine is the most famous X-Man and I know A LOT of people that wouldn't see an X-Man movie if Hugh/Wolverine wasn't in it and would ONLY go see a Wolverine movie because of Hugh. And by the time this movie comes out who knows where Hugh's star will be since he's getting Oscar buzz for "The Fountain."

I will agree with you to an extent. Wolverine is the most famous xman, but you believe me when I tell you, if you think Wolverine ALONE will get the same amount of market than the whole of x-men then you are mistaken.
 
genufine said:
I will agree with you to an extent. Wolverine is the most famous xman, but you believe me when I tell you, if you think Wolverine ALONE will get the same amount of market than the whole of x-men then you are mistaken.

If it was him alone, then none of the other characters would get to be on the publicity photos or covers. Then again, there does seem to be somewhat of a shift in balance towards Wolverine since X1's "trust a few" ad campaign.
 
I predict the Wolverine movie will bomb.

Hugh Jackman is not a box office draw by himself. Take Van Helsing for instance. $160M budget and it only made $120M domestically. Hugh Jackman doesn't have the "it's a Hugh Jackman movie, I have to go see it" factor. In fact, nowadays, most actors can't guarantee opening a movie on name factor alone.

From the non X-fans that I talked to that saw X3, they went to see it because they liked the previous movies, they thought the ads and trailers looked good and they thought the cast was good. It wasn't "Oh, wow, it's Hugh Jackman! I must see the movie!"

And many X-Fans, except 12-14 year old boys, are so Wolverine'd out and so they're sick and tired of him appearing in so many comics that they aren't going to spend $10 bucks for a ticket for a Wolvie movie.
 
Why doesn't Marvel just take the X-men franchise to Sony or other movie studios!!!:confused:
 
^ i totally agree but he does have a pretty big fangirl following, but i doubt their big enough.

Also let's not forget those ever so loving Wolverine fans who will be there front and center.

I for one Still don't think it's enough though.

Edit- Post for Mother Askani
 
RagingTempest said:
Why doesn't Marvel just take the X-men franchise to Sony or other movie studios!!!:confused:

becasue other studios are not interested in x-men because it is a complicated comic book to be brought on the big screen.

The truth is SONY only does comic books which are easy to translate to the big screen.

FOX on the other hand does comic book which are complicated and have so many stories and sub plots like X-men and F4.

I mean common we know both of the teams have been to outer space.
You will never get those things in the movies becasue it will be too darn expensive.

BUT atleast FOX has the balls to make movies of complicated comic books. BUT ofcourse they screw it up largely in the editing room.
 

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