The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

In all fairness, it's Nolan's non-Batman movies which i find the most compelling. TDK was a lot of fun, but I don't understand people who say it's better than movies like Memento and Prestige (which I still say is one of the best damn movies of the last decade)
For me, his worst movies thus far have been his Batman films.. and those were still miles above other comic book adaptations. After seeing every movie he's made and listening to so many interviews in which he is clearly an intellect... he's earned my trust.
If he doesn't want to do another Batman, I know that he has his reasons, I know that I have to respect that, and I know he'll go on to make much greater movies anyway.
 
Well anyone can recognize professionalism. It would be professional for Nolan to come back again and try to better himself. That is the whole point of being in these kinds of industries IMO. They should always be pushing themselves to do better. Nolan would HAVE to push himself to top TDK. And I would imagine a guy like Nolan would relish that challenge. He wouldn't just walk away and be like "Well i can't top it so I'm gonna call it a day".
Of course the guy wants to make a better movie then TDK, but the question is if he wants to make another BATMAN movie.
 
In all fairness, it's Nolan's non-Batman movies which i find the most compelling. TDK was a lot of fun, but I don't understand people who say it's better than movies like Memento and Prestige (which I still say is one of the best damn movies of the last decade)
For me, his worst movies thus far have been his Batman films.. and those were still miles above other comic book adaptations. After seeing every movie he's made and listening to so many interviews in which he is clearly an intellect... he's earned my trust.
If he doesn't want to do another Batman, I know that he has his reasons, I know that I have to respect that, and I know he'll go on to make much greater movies anyway.
Insomnia was rather lackluster.
 
Nolan doesnt come back for Batman 3 = X-men 3???
 
Whats wrong with being the batman guy? I would love to be the damn batman guy who makes badass batman movies!
For the most part I can see why he would leave and why he wouldnt. I am leaning more towards he will stay and make another film that will conclude his reign in the bat films. But like many of you have said----he will do it on his own terms/time. Which is ok with me. I dont mind waiting. :oldrazz:
 
I'm glad that some ppl make themselves stupid by not noticing speculation when they see it

The comment was more directed toward Ace... but your post provoked it. But you can't say if Nolan walks "It's a punk move"... then correct yourself by saying "If he doesn't have a story, it's understandable..." then come back and call him "cowardly if he walks" in the same post. Can't have it both ways. He doesn't owe himself or this franchise or fanboys anything. He's earned that.
 
I personally don't see what's unprofessional about him leaving the franchise.

Sure, he's making big bucks with the Batman franchise and will make even more if he returns for B3.

But he's already rich at this point. He has a reputation as an artist to build, and for some directors that's more important.

He won't be known as "The Batman Guy" if he tops his films with Inception, I can tell you that. That's the point I was trying to make...he probably wants to start building a legacy aside from Batman.

A lot of people thought Spielberg would always be known as the Indiana Jones, ET guy, then he made Schindler's List. He's transcended his former labels and now he's known as simply Spielberg

With that said, from the looks of the cast, Inception is going to be a sight to see. I have a good feeling it will be a success and Nolan will return for B3.
 
I disagree. Insomnia is by far his worst movie and it's still a good one. :cwink:

Insomnia was his worst? I really enjoyed it. He must be the greatest director on Earth. :word:

I'm sure making Batman movies is stressful and Ledger's death probably didn't help, but I'll be upset and worried if he leaves. I hope he refreshes himself with Inception and decides he's ready for one more go at Batman.
 
I agree Blackman. He shouldn't just "go out whilst on top". He should try to better himself again, do the improbable, try to top The Dark Knight. A true professional would do that, I think Nolan is a true professional

You're dead wrong there. Nolan is an artist and "professionalism" for artists is only doing projects which there is artistic merit in. Nolan has consistently stated that for him to return, it will take a story worth telling - something which isn't exclusive to his Batman films.

It's this "professionalism" of trying to "top yourself" that results in the poor sequels we constantly get. That's what happened to Sam Raimi with Spider-man 3. Rather than telling the story he wanted to tell, he was coerced into making the movie that people thought was necessary. He wasn't interested in the story, and it showed on screen.

Why do you think TDK was so far removed from BB? The two movies arguably belong in completely different genres, despite being sequels to one another. It's because Nolan realises that you can't just try to "top" things. He couldn't take Begins, add The Joker and a few more explosions and come out thinking he'd made a better movie. It doesn't work like that.

Nolan is being professional by saying he'll only return if he can tell a decent story because, ultimately, that's what's going to be best for the franchise. Nolan's movies are all so great not only because he's a brilliant director but because he's very careful about the projects that he does and he's treating BB3 no different than he did TDK or even Begins.

I don't think there's much of a cause for concern, though. Nolan practically said he'd found a story during that TDK online chat thing.
 
I don't like this whole making Nolan as some sort of bad guy if he chooses not to make a film 3. Yes it would be wonderful if all the planets in the cosmos could align just one last time, but artistically, sometimes a better idea just never comes along. 'Going out on top' is a phrase that's being branded yet is being thrown around as if it's a negative thing, it's not negative to finish an area in ones life if one feels they've done all they can in that area. The vibe I get is is that people seem to think that Nolan owes them a film 3, like somehow because we liked what he did, he should stick around because of it. Nolan has delivered not one but two great Batman film, he has done justice to both the character and the mythology, he owes us nothing, if anything, we owe him. Making him out to be a chicken, or a coward or cop-out comes across as nothing more than fanboy selfishness.
 
You're dead wrong there. Nolan is an artist and "professionalism" for artists is only doing projects which there is artistic merit in. Nolan has consistently stated that for him to return, it will take a story worth telling - something which isn't exclusive to his Batman films.

It's this "professionalism" of trying to "top yourself" that results in the poor sequels we constantly get. That's what happened to Sam Raimi with Spider-man 3. Rather than telling the story he wanted to tell, he was coerced into making the movie that people thought was necessary. He wasn't interested in the story, and it showed on screen.

Why do you think TDK was so far removed from BB? The two movies arguably belong in completely different genres, despite being sequels to one another. It's because Nolan realises that you can't just try to "top" things. He couldn't take Begins, add The Joker and a few more explosions and come out thinking he'd made a better movie. It doesn't work like that.

Nolan is being professional by saying he'll only return if he can tell a decent story because, ultimately, that's what's going to be best for the franchise. Nolan's movies are all so great not only because he's a brilliant director but because he's very careful about the projects that he does and he's treating BB3 no different than he did TDK or even Begins.

I don't think there's much of a cause for concern, though. Nolan practically said he'd found a story during that TDK online chat thing.

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You're dead wrong there. Nolan is an artist and "professionalism" for artists is only doing projects which there is artistic merit in. Nolan has consistently stated that for him to return, it will take a story worth telling - something which isn't exclusive to his Batman films.

Yes and as an artist he should be pushing himself to do better. He should be relishing the CHALLENGE of making a better film than TDK. Any true professional relishes CHALLENGES.

It's this "professionalism" of trying to "top yourself" that results in the poor sequels we constantly get. That's what happened to Sam Raimi with Spider-man 3. Rather than telling the story he wanted to tell, he was coerced into making the movie that people thought was necessary. He wasn't interested in the story, and it showed on screen.

Why do you think TDK was so far removed from BB? The two movies arguably belong in completely different genres, despite being sequels to one another. It's because Nolan realises that you can't just try to "top" things. He couldn't take Begins, add The Joker and a few more explosions and come out thinking he'd made a better movie. It doesn't work like that.

Do you honestly think when I said "top TDK" I meant just add more explosions and all that?

I meant that I believe a guy like Nolan, a professional, would try to better himself, in terms of story-making. He wouldn't just go "Well I'm out of ideas, let's just give up". He would thrive under the pressure, would relish the challenge.

Nolan is being professional by saying he'll only return if he can tell a decent story because, ultimately, that's what's going to be best for the franchise. Nolan's movies are all so great not only because he's a brilliant director but because he's very careful about the projects that he does and he's treating BB3 no different than he did TDK or even Begins.

I don't think there's much of a cause for concern, though. Nolan practically said he'd found a story during that TDK online chat thing.

I'm not questioning Nolan's professionalism if he doesn't return. I'm simply saying that a professional director, actor or ****ing athlete should always been striving to top THEMSELVES for THEMSELVES, not anyone else. They should relish the challenges set before them, whether that is by themselves or others. And I think a guy like Nolan has the same mentality.
 
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Nolan will be back. He's stated many times that he works on one film at a time and when the time is right he'll be back for the sequel. There's really no rush for him honestly.

He'll be back. Everyone thought he wouldn't be back for the second film.
 
Why is there even a discussion about this? They've written the script for Christ's sake. He has the story he wants to use, and has unofficially told W.B. he'd do it. They basically allowed him to do Inception as a little "guarantee" that he'd be back for Batman 3. I don't see what all the fuss is over.
 
You're dead wrong there. Nolan is an artist and "professionalism" for artists is only doing projects which there is artistic merit in. Nolan has consistently stated that for him to return, it will take a story worth telling - something which isn't exclusive to his Batman films.

It's this "professionalism" of trying to "top yourself" that results in the poor sequels we constantly get. That's what happened to Sam Raimi with Spider-man 3. Rather than telling the story he wanted to tell, he was coerced into making the movie that people thought was necessary. He wasn't interested in the story, and it showed on screen.

Why do you think TDK was so far removed from BB? The two movies arguably belong in completely different genres, despite being sequels to one another. It's because Nolan realises that you can't just try to "top" things. He couldn't take Begins, add The Joker and a few more explosions and come out thinking he'd made a better movie. It doesn't work like that.

Nolan is being professional by saying he'll only return if he can tell a decent story because, ultimately, that's what's going to be best for the franchise. Nolan's movies are all so great not only because he's a brilliant director but because he's very careful about the projects that he does and he's treating BB3 no different than he did TDK or even Begins.

I don't think there's much of a cause for concern, though. Nolan practically said he'd found a story during that TDK online chat thing.

I completely disagree here. I'm an artist myself. I write, act, and have been doing artwork (painting/drawing/sculpting/wood carving/prints ect) my entire life.

Now yes, you do your craft because you love it, but at the bottom of it, the drive is to always improve. You don't only do projects you know will turn out well, you challenge yourself all the time. If you only took on projects you know are going to turn out well then you never grow, because even when a project doesn't turn out well, you learn from it. If you only take on projects you know you can do well, then odds are you've settled into a formula, and you won't grow anymore, because you're doing the same old thing.

You always strive to better yourself. You take on harder projects each time and try to make every piece better than your last. You won't always achieve this, but you never stop trying. If you think Nolan wasn't trying to top himself with TDK than you're fooling yourself.

However, you need to realize that topping yourself doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does. It doesn't mean "everything must be BIGGER! MORE EXPLOSIONS! MORE SPECIAL EFFECTS! MORE BAD GUYS! MORE FIGHTS!"

You always try to improve, but it's in many different ways. Nolan was probably always trying to improve the script, tweaking the shots to get them just right, making sure the lighting in this one scene is just so.

But regardless, you always try to top yourself as an artist. If you didn't, there woulld be no reason to be an artist at all. Why keep making things if they're all going to be the exact same quality?
 
But regardless, you always try to top yourself as an artist. If you didn't, there woulld be no reason to be an artist at all. Why keep making things if they're all going to be the exact same quality?

Well, IMO, an artist shouldn't look at their previous works when doing something new anyway and what I'm trying to say is that if you look at Nolan's films he never tries to "top" himself on anything. There's a movie told backwards, a weird hybrid of fantasy and sci-fi, a thriller, an action/adventure movie and a crime/action flick. Even between his Batman movies there's no point of comparison. He hasn't tried to top anything, because he never does the same thing twice. If you do continually try to "top" what you did last, it means you're trying to improve on a past work and your style just ends up derivative. I don't think Nolan's ever going to suffer from that because he's been super-smart in what he does and does not do.

Therefore he's under no obligation to return to "top" what he did last because Nolan will not make another film like TDK again. If he returns for Batman 3 the film will not be the same as TDK, just as TDK was nothing like BB. Aside from using the same characters, there's not a lot of similarity between the two pictures.

Nolan will return if he finds a story that he can explore something new. These thoughts of "topping The Joker" and all that aren't thoughts that will enter Chris Nolan's mind. I agree to a certain extent that Nolan will return if he can make a better movie (he has said this himself anyway) but the phrase "top" implies that Nolan will look to TDK to discover what he can do better and this will certainly not be the case.

If there's one thing you'll learn about Chris Nolan it's that he's 100% sure about what he puts up on that screen. That's why we never get deleted scenes, that's why we never get director's cuts. What is in Nolan's cut is what he thinks is perfect.
 
Lies. Mark Hamill for Joker!
for TDKR I want Hamill, Tim Curry, or...well prolly not anymore but a while back i wanted Nicholson...
Id like to see Snyder try to do TDKR since he did a good job with Watchmen
 
I don't like this whole making Nolan as some sort of bad guy if he chooses not to make a film 3. Yes it would be wonderful if all the planets in the cosmos could align just one last time, but artistically, sometimes a better idea just never comes along. 'Going out on top' is a phrase that's being branded yet is being thrown around as if it's a negative thing, it's not negative to finish an area in ones life if one feels they've done all they can in that area. The vibe I get is is that people seem to think that Nolan owes them a film 3, like somehow because we liked what he did, he should stick around because of it. Nolan has delivered not one but two great Batman film, he has done justice to both the character and the mythology, he owes us nothing, if anything, we owe him. Making him out to be a chicken, or a coward or cop-out comes across as nothing more than fanboy selfishness.

And it's not like they're short movies either. Pixar is always lauded for their quality and most of their movies are usually around 90-100 minutes long. Well guess how long his two Batman movies are combined? 292 minutes, or the equivalent of three 97 minute films. The way I look at it, he's already done his fair share and he should do whatever he wants.
 
I'm not questioning Nolan's professionalism if he doesn't return. I'm simply saying that a professional director, actor or ****ing athlete should always been striving to top THEMSELVES for THEMSELVES, not anyone else. They should relish the challenges set before them, whether that is by themselves or others. And I think a guy like Nolan has the same mentality.

That doesn't mean he has to top himself through yet another sequel. If he wants to top himself with other projects then more power to him. He doesn't owe it to himself to make a better Batman film. And a fanboy of all people can not make that decision for him. Sometimes I wish he walks just so that fanboys who think they are entitled to a complete trilogy are left empty handed.
 
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Well, IMO, an artist shouldn't look at their previous works when doing something new anyway and what I'm trying to say is that if you look at Nolan's films he never tries to "top" himself on anything. There's a movie told backwards, a weird hybrid of fantasy and sci-fi, a thriller, an action/adventure movie and a crime/action flick. Even between his Batman movies there's no point of comparison. He hasn't tried to top anything, because he never does the same thing twice. If you do continually try to "top" what you did last, it means you're trying to improve on a past work and your style just ends up derivative. I don't think Nolan's ever going to suffer from that because he's been super-smart in what he does and does not do.

Therefore he's under no obligation to return to "top" what he did last because Nolan will not make another film like TDK again. If he returns for Batman 3 the film will not be the same as TDK, just as TDK was nothing like BB. Aside from using the same characters, there's not a lot of similarity between the two pictures.

Nolan will return if he finds a story that he can explore something new. These thoughts of "topping The Joker" and all that aren't thoughts that will enter Chris Nolan's mind. I agree to a certain extent that Nolan will return if he can make a better movie (he has said this himself anyway) but the phrase "top" implies that Nolan will look to TDK to discover what he can do better and this will certainly not be the case.

If there's one thing you'll learn about Chris Nolan it's that he's 100% sure about what he puts up on that screen. That's why we never get deleted scenes, that's why we never get director's cuts. What is in Nolan's cut is what he thinks is perfect.

Oh I agree about him changing it up. You're constantly changing styles, adopting a new project, tweaking things here and there. I agree with you in the aspect that, if Nolan returns, we will most likely get a film as different from TDK as TDK was from BB.

However, this is all more of the same process of trying to better yourself. As an artist you are always striving to make your next product better than your last. However, I think you're misinterpreting what I, and others mean by this. Wanting to always better your product doesn't mean looking at a past project and going "how can I do that same thing again...only better?"

Part of the creative process is trying new things, incorporating new ideas into your work, but always with the mind of trying to make whatever you're working on the best thing you've done. I'm sure Nolan will look at individual things he did in TDK and think "I know how I can take that idea and do it better," but he's not going to come in with the idea of making the same style of movie, but trying to top it.

He's going to try and top TDK, but to him, "topping" it is making a film as new, different, and exciting as TDK was. This is why we see such a wide range of ideas and styles in all of Nolan's movies, because he's constantly trying to better himself, to top what he did, and that will force you to explore different and new ideas.

I think you're getting the idea that when we say "top" we mean it in the Micheal Bay sense of "my last movie was good, so for the next one I'll add more explosions and hott women!"

That's not trying to top yourself, that's just doing the same thing you've already done, but just adding more of what you already had in the previous movie.
 
I think a lot of people are missing some basic, important elements here outside of the standard "if there's a story worth telling" line the public has been given for the past year.

Bottom line, this guy has invested several years of his life and career to this franchise and this character. Believe it or not, despite my issues with Superman Returns and Bryan Singer in general, he pretty much spelled it out in a recent interview when discussing the X-Men franchise, and I think it applies directly to this situation...

I'm eternally intertwined with X-Men now," he told them. "What takes an audience four hours to watch - the first two movies - took six years of my life. So, to not be part of it....It's a shame."

Nolan has devoted years of his life to this character and his vision of that universe. He'll be back for one last go. Not only is it an intriguing challenge to make a solid 3rd film, as most franchises have major issues with second sequels, but ultimately, when you work on projects like this, you have to have some sort of attachment, deeper understanding, and ultimately the final vision of the whole thing. Thats why so many casts and crew ultimately decide to return if the director is onboard and I think the situation here is just that.

The reason you aren't hearing anything and won't for a little while yet, is because they've literally been working on the story for the past few months as Inception gets ready to rock and roll. This is the truth. It's even been hinted at on some news sites, so this isn't just one of my inside scoops here.

It's happening. He's coming back for one last film.
 

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