The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[TheVileOne]

Hopefully we can get Stephen Sommers on board to cast Channing Tatum as the Penguin.

 

[Symbiotic]

I wouldn't doubt that he lies in interviews

I remember when in an interview, Nolan said he hadn't considered putting The Joker in Batman 3 while writing TDK, I believed it. Though now I'm thinking, that was the "public" answer, and he just doesn't wanna admit that Joker ideas he had for B3 got shot to hell.

 

[Eric Brooks]

I remember when in an interview, Nolan said he hadn't considered putting The Joker in Batman 3 while writing TDK, I believed it. Though now I'm thinking, that was the "public" answer, and he just doesn't wanna admit that Joker ideas he had for B3 got shot to hell.

which is why I'm afraid he may not return for a 3rd film as it's obvious he can't go through with his original plans.

and sorry to rag on Heath (but I'm not a fan of his whatsoever so his work outside of TDK means jack **** to me and so does he) so you Heath fans might want to skip over my following comments:


>Begins Heath bashing<

I found it selfish that dude couldn't control his drug habits enough to prevent himself from overdosing. Dude was a full grown adult that should've been smart enough to know better than to "mix drugs because his rich ass couldn't sleep". You're a freaking millionare that's making movies and flat out living la vida loca and you're going to risk all of that because of a little insomnia?..........BOO FREAKING HOO

cry me a river already. You get up the next morning, do what you gotta do and hope you get a few more hours of sleep the next night. Rinse, Wash, Repeat.

Yea, I'm a Batfan, not a Heath fan. I wanted the 3rd installment Nolan had originally intended and am not going to get it because poor baby couldn't sleep

>End Heath Bashing<

and no I'm not going to respond to anyone who has any hateful comments towards me becaue of my opinion on the guy and what took place. Like I said, I'm not a fan of his, he's done nothing (outside of The Joker) that's impressed me and in the end, don't give 2 licks of quirt about him. Just letting you know

 

[The Guard]

There's no reason Joker HAD to return in a third film. Would it have been nice? Absolutely. But there's nothing in THE DARK KNIGHT that sets up that he MUST return.

I think at this point the simple answer is...we don't know for sure, but it seems more likely that Nolan will finish the franchise than abandon it.

And I've gotta be honest...I don't care if his plans were altered. With the amount of Batman lore available, with all the possibilities...if the Nolans, Goyer, the producers, and whoever else cannot come up with a decent story for a third Batman movie when they haven't even painted themselves into a corner with the events of TDK...while they may still be artists, they'd be pretty crappy storytellers, and I doubt very much I'd want people with that little imagination or commitment to the project back anyway.

 

[BillyZaned]

Has Nolan really said anything to the fact that he MAY not return?

I think there's real room for a sequel if they brought two-face back... saying he was alive, and they faked his death to keep him image clean.

also... lets say by the time production starts, lets say 2011. With the advances in CGI, why couldn't they cast, let's say Depp, to play the joker, then in post, CGI his face to make him look like Ledger... they did it in Salvation for Arnold... they do it in commercials... it's a real possibility

also, if memory serves me correct, some people thought Nolan wouldn't return for the second film... WB will make him an offer he can't refuse...

 

[louiebling$]

Remember when Faverau wasn't gonna return for IM2 and Raimi for SM4...... wait for official report guys. Take this with the Grain of salt it sounds like, Fans need to be more patient.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

There's no reason Joker HAD to return in a third film. Would it have been nice? Absolutely. But there's nothing in THE DARK KNIGHT that sets up that he MUST return.

I think at this point the simple answer is...we don't know for sure, but it seems more likely that Nolan will finish the franchise than abandon it.

And I've gotta be honest...I don't care if his plans were altered. With the amount of Batman lore available, with all the possibilities...if the Nolans, Goyer, the producers, and whoever else cannot come up with a decent story for a third Batman movie when they haven't even painted themselves into a corner with the events of TDK...while they may still be artists, they'd be pretty crappy storytellers, and I doubt very much I'd want people with that little imagination or commitment to the project back anyway.

Co-signed.

People want to see more of the Joker and if people had their way I'm sure would want the character in every Batman movie from here until the end of time. Makes me think of what Nolan said:

Of course what happened is Heath created the most extraordinary character that you would love to see 10 movies about.

Personally speaking, regardless if Heath's was still alive, I've had my fill of the Joker and would like to move on. It almost seems like a no win situation though. Had Heath lived and Nolan just wanted to use him for 5 minutes people would be *****ing and moaning about how Joker only got 5 minutes and he is teh greatest villain of all time and he needs to be in there for half of the movie1!!!!!111! And if he is in there for a significant amount of time than it's Batman getting overshadowed once again and other villains losing screentime.

Last I checked, Joker was captured at the end. I don't care to see him break out again(it would become comedic at that point even though I am well aware he did this on a monthly basis in the comics) and I don't need to see him behind bars with no make-up on.

 

[gillberg2k1]

Ok, I'm going to clear a couple things up because there seems to be some confusion on whether or not Nolan had written anything for a third film...

At the time of writing the story for TDK, it was indeed originally intended by Goyer to be split across two story arcs, with The Joker being captured at the end of the film and the next story involving the scarring and fall of Harvey Dent. That is in fact legit, and I believe there were also a few news outlets that ran with that story when it got out if you want more proof.

However, when Chris and Jonathan were exchanging drafts, they combined both stories into one, with Dent's arc concluding at the end of TDK, after the team decided that he was the backbone of the film. So they made some changes, and that was that.

Nolan, like many artists, (whether thats musicians, fine arts, etc.) has made it clear that he makes every film as if it is going to be his last. This is such an important thing to understand from an artistic stand point, so I'd like to elaborate. That mindset of "this is my last film..ever" is a powerful motivator and the secret behind the success of many creative people. So when Nolan says "I havent thought about the third film" he's absolutely telling the truth, because he put everything he thought he needed to put into a Bat film into TDK.

At the time, that film was his only focus and he made it as if it were the last he would ever make. Many assume he's referring to it being the last "Batman" film he'd make, but its much bigger than that. He treats EVERY film like this. Right now, Inception is being treated as if it were Chris's last project. Batman 3 will have the same mindset.

All and all, there was really no premeditated intention to bring The Joker back, although I'm sure they'd enjoy having that option. But they haven't painted themselves into any corner, and they certainly haven't decided to call it quits because of an actors tragic death.

There's really no telling exactly WHAT they'll do. But again, if the story is there, it doesn't matter. We'll all be along for the ride.

 

[Attikus]

If Nolan doesn't come back it will be a sad day for Bat-Fans... but there will still be a third film and the WB will give it to a major director for sure. So no worries on that front. But it would be nice to see Joker in Arkham minus the makeup and with a big hermit's beard. The Joker gone to seed, slowly awakening as Batman tears Gotham a new a-hole.

 

[weezerspider]

Recast Joker. No Big Deal. If Nolan Leaves, they should try to get someone like Martin Scorsese. The guy is phenomenal at gang movies. A Batman movie treated like a gang movie could be a great Batman movie.

 

[ChickenScratch]

which is why I'm afraid he may not return for a 3rd film as it's obvious he can't go through with his original plans.
and sorry to rag on Heath (but I'm not a fan of his whatsoever so his work outside of TDK means jack **** to me and so does he) so you Heath fans might want to skip over my following comments:
>Begins Heath bashing<
I found it selfish that dude couldn't control his drug habits enough to prevent himself from overdosing. Dude was a full grown adult that should've been smart enough to know better than to "mix drugs because his rich ass couldn't sleep". You're a freaking millionare that's making movies and flat out living la vida loca and you're going to risk all of that because of a little insomnia?..........BOO FREAKING HOO
cry me a river already. You get up the next morning, do what you gotta do and hope you get a few more hours of sleep the next night. Rinse, Wash, Repeat.
Yea, I'm a Batfan, not a Heath fan. I wanted the 3rd installment Nolan had originally intended and am not going to get it because poor baby couldn't sleep
>End Heath Bashing<
and no I'm not going to respond to anyone who has any hateful comments towards me becaue of my opinion on the guy and what took place. Like I said, I'm not a fan of his, he's done nothing (outside of The Joker) that's impressed me and in the end, don't give 2 licks of quirt about him. Just letting you know

I hear you man. For a grown man with a kid you would think that in his head it would make sense to live a healthy lifestyle, not just for his own benefit, but for his daughter and so he could produce more great work.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

At the time of writing the story for TDK, it was indeed originally intended by Goyer to be split across two story arcs, with The Joker being captured at the end of the film and the next story involving the scarring and fall of Harvey Dent. That is in fact legit, and I believe there were also a few news outlets that ran with that story when it got out if you want more proof.

Goyer is on record stating this. Then Nolan went on record saying he made a concerted effort to put everything into TDK, which is why I believe him when says he had no plans for Joker in part 3. Does that mean he wouldn't have used the character? No. Just that he had no plans for the character. There is a difference.

 

[TheVileOne]

Miyazaki does the same thing. Every time Miyazaki says he is done . . . he does another movie.

I believe Nolan's coming back and this is just all part of Nolan's "creative/artistic" dealio whatever you want to call it.

However if he doesn't, I'll live. I would hope at least they bring back Bale, Jonah Nolan, everyone else etc.

I would at least hope they get a more creative choice than Zach Snyder.

To Eric Brooks, I definitely agree with some of the sentiment on the drug use, though I think you make a few too many assumptions.

My feeling was that The Dark Knight was just an interpretation of what would be the first of many encounters between the Joker and Batman. This was just the forging of their relationship, and its like Joker says at the end, "we are going to do this forever," which is more like to me, Joker's twisted way of saying, "this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship." So the movie established the beginning of Joker and Batman's relationship. I don't think that means its mandatory to make a Joker story for a third movie. Joker's there and you can reference Joker and talk about Joker. You don't have to retroactively write out Joker because Heath is dead, but we don't necessarily have to see Joker either.

 

[BillyZaned]

I'd for one be happy, even if Heath was alive, if the Joker didn't return...

example, Jack Sparrow, in the first pirates, he was awesome... now comes the sequels... I was sick of him, and thought less of his character

leave us wanting more...

 

[Anita18]

Hopefully we can get Stephen Sommers on board to cast Channing Tatum as the Penguin.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

There's no reason Joker HAD to return in a third film. Would it have been nice? Absolutely. But there's nothing in THE DARK KNIGHT that sets up that he MUST return.

Exactly. From the way things panned out in TDK, the Joker's story is done. He's made his point - Gotham is in tatters at the end of the film and there's really nothing more he can do besides blow up a few more things, just because he likes blowing things up.

However, Batman and Gordon's stories are not done, because there's a gaping hole from how TDK ends to a real proper conclusion for the both of them. The various mob factions have no leaders, Batman is now an outlaw, Gordon has to keep everything quiet, Gotham is nowhere close to cleaned up yet. In fact, Gotham at the end of TDK is in even MORE of a mess than at the end of BB.

I mean, sure, in the movie's world, Joker and Batman can continue going at it. But I don't think it would be worthwhile story-wise to make another movie about it. TDK really get down to the essence of Joker's character, I don't believe there's really anything else to show us.

Nolan, like many artists, (whether thats musicians, fine arts, etc.) has made it clear that he makes every film as if it is going to be his last. This is such an important thing to understand from an artistic stand point, so I'd like to elaborate. That mindset of "this is my last film..ever" is a powerful motivator and the secret behind the success of many creative people. So when Nolan says "I havent thought about the third film" he's absolutely telling the truth, because he put everything he thought he needed to put into a Bat film into TDK.

At the time, that film was his only focus and he made it as if it were the last he would ever make. Many assume he's referring to it being the last "Batman" film he'd make, but its much bigger than that. He treats EVERY film like this. Right now, Inception is being treated as if it were Chris's last project. Batman 3 will have the same mindset.

All and all, there was really no premeditated intention to bring The Joker back, although I'm sure they'd enjoy having that option. But they haven't painted themselves into any corner, and they certainly haven't decided to call it quits because of an actors tragic death.

There's really no telling exactly WHAT they'll do. But again, if the story is there, it doesn't matter. We'll all be along for the ride.

Yuppity. At a panel where Wally Pfister spoke about TDK, he said that he had no idea if Nolan was going to do it until he got the request to show up for work. The guy just doesn't plan that far ahead. And unless Nolan has told every one of his crew members to lie in public, that part I will believe.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I'd for one be happy, even if Heath was alive, if the Joker didn't return...

example, Jack Sparrow, in the first pirates, he was awesome... now comes the sequels... I was sick of him, and thought less of his character

leave us wanting more...

Exactly. Hannibal Lecter anyone?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well just because one says he make a film as if it's his last one does not mean he's not contemplating the next... a'la the joker card at the end of BB.

Heath death, did throw a wrench in future appearence of the Joker. Nolan have now, has to decide where to go from here. Either way he will make a decision that is best for him and the franchise.

 

[jmc]

One gets the feeling that Nolan really is glue holding this series together and if he should go, what's the money most if not all the cast don't return? And if that were to be the case (and I'd almost put my house on Bale jumping ship), what's the point in continuing this Batman series?

 

[ChrisB]

I have no idea if he can act, but Joseph Gordon-Levitt looks a lot like a younger Heath Ledger to me. Think he'd be able to pull off The Joker? He's attached to Nolan's "Inception" too!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330687/

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^That's probably only the 10,000th time his name has name come up in this section in regards to the Joker.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Also, I think WB will want to avoid any B.S. "two-movie curse" associations with this franchise. ESPECIALLY if they do have to pick up another director who bombs the series (which I don't necessarily think will happen).

 

[Nightmare]

Ugh, JGL no.

 

[ChrisB]

^That's probably only the 10,000th time his name has name come up in this section in regards to the Joker.

lol sorry, I'm new around here. I've been hanging around TDK forum mostly.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

JGL's one of those actors that might cause me to boycott the Batman series if he shows up in it.

 

[regwec]

I'm with you.

JGL seems to owe his elevation by certain misinformed fans purely to his having pissy little eyes like a thirteen year old Heath Ledger.

It is like electing someone as president because they have a beard like Abraham Lincoln.