The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[FaT_tONle]

In all honesty, I didn't follow the casting too closely until I heard about Ledger's casting. From what I was hearing/reading, however, I not once saw Maggie's name pop up.

Oh believe me... she popped up frequently. And well before she was announced. Check the old threads if you are still not convinced. The consensus was she was a better actress that looked close enough to Holmes.

And again with the pre-determined roles that characters will have already... Who are you to decide? We have no clue what Nolan will do. This board seems to bent on Nolan's supposed constant "curveballing", and yet you all still know exactly what he's going to do with the next film? And as for The Joker "needing an Oscar-caliber actor", yeah, I think he does, no matter how big of a role. I think it's absolutely insane to craft The Joker into such a memorable villain, and then toss in just another name to take his place, no matter how big the role is (unless it's just his face popping in). I have no doubt in my mind that if The Joker is recast, the new actor will be under significant scrutiny, and thus will probably go the extra mile to make sure that he can match up to Heath's charisma in the role. Even if he only shows up for one scene, you can bet your ass that tossing in any old actor to do a job that doesn't live up to the part is going to catch a ton of criticism.

I don't know what Joker's role will be, but if it's not a safe assumption that he won't be a major villain in BB3, I don't know what a safe assumption is anymore. As far as the name, yeah you'd want that scene to stand out and maybe have a recognizable name in there. Then again, does a character like Joker really need an iconic actor? Maybe if it was his first appearance on film, which it obviously won't be. Just find me a guy that will do the best job. Do you need a nominated actor for something like that? Could easily be any guy off the streets that can do a decent Ledgeresque Joker. Just based on guys who have been involved with Nolan in the past, JGL would make the most sense to me... IF he is up for the challenge.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

It's not that I'm not convinced, I'm just saying I hadn't seen it.

As far as choosing the actor for The Joker- first appearance, or last appearance, I think he needs a great actor. And I never said that he had to be nominated for an Oscar, as I use the term "Oscar-caliber" to define the best actors, not necessarily those who receive or are nominated for Oscars (as awards like that are always subject to groups of opinions).

But that's the whole thing... I don't see Gordon-Levitt as being up to the challenge. He's done nothing that's proved he can slam a role out of the park, especially as a follow-up during which he'll be under much scrutiny.

 

[BestGirl]

JGL's one of those actors that might cause me to boycott the Batman series if he shows up in it.

I wouldn't. I'm sick of hearing about JGL too, but if Nolan saw something in him I'd give him a chance.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Well yeah, I'm exaggerating, obviously. I like JGL, and I'm sick of hearing them, so I was expressing how annoying is to constantly hear about him.

I would however boycott if Alba, Biel, Dushku, or others alike popped up in the movie.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well yeah, I'm exaggerating, obviously. I like JGL, and I'm sick of hearing them, so I was expressing how annoying is to constantly hear about him.

I would however boycott if Alba, Biel, Dushku, or others alike popped up in the movie.

Definitely. Unlike some of my friends, I don't like actresses who only get jobs just because they're hot,.

 

[Judson Caspian]

Some dispute his reliability and feel he can be quite pompous or arrogant at times...

That's a fact more than a personal opinion. He is a *****e.

 

[LightningFlash]

I'm all for watching Eliza Dushku, haha.

But I highly doubt Nolan would cast her, or Biel, or Alba, or even Jolie for that matter.

 

[Nightmare]

Thats why the thread is called Nolan not coming back?

If he doesnt, some guy could come in and cast batgirl, catwoman, robin all over again.

 

[LightningFlash]

Nolan is coming back. This thread is pointless.

 

[Dark Knight]

Nolan is coming back. This thread is pointless.

Exactly.....it's not even amusing.....it's just pointless....

 

[Reek]

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[ChrisB]

JGL's one of those actors that might cause me to boycott the Batman series if he shows up in it.

Wasnt Heath Ledger as the Joker an actor that caused many people to say "WTF?!"

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

If we believed everyting said on BOF then Joker should have been played in TDK by either Lachey Hulme or Paul Bettany as they were the last 2 in the running.

....despite Nolan saying that Ledger was his first and only choice.

 

[ChrisB]

If we believed everyting said on BOF then Joker should have been played in TDK by either Lachey Hulme or Paul Bettany as they were the last 2 in the running.

....despite Nolan saying that Ledger was his first and only choice.

What Jett says goes! He has "sources".

 

[colonel sanders]

But that's the whole thing... I don't see Gordon-Levitt as being up to the challenge. He's done nothing that's proved he can slam a role out of the park, especially as a follow-up during which he'll be under much scrutiny.

Had Heath Ledger done anything that proved he could blow us away with the Joker? No, there was a lot of hate when he was cast. Now I know this is a different circumstance but still don't say he can't do it just because he hasn't done anything that would make you say he would be a perfect Joker.

 

[GregComicFan]

Am I the only one who thinks the reason(s) Batman-on-Film's source gave for Nolan possibly not wanting to return are completely illogical?

The article states Nolan may not return due to:

1. Heath Ledger's death upset Nolan big time.
2. Joker was going to be in Batman 3, now he can't be.
3. Thus the story for Batman 3 is back to square-one.

So these are the reasons Nolan might not return? Sorry. But, all due respect/sympathy to Ledger, these reasons are illogical. I seriously doubt the storyline was so far gone and so etched in stone that with the Joker being OUT of the story, now Nolan, Goyer, etc. are scratching their heads on what to do... First, there's a ton of other Batman villains to deploy, stories from comics to be adapted, used as inspiration, etc. Any good writer should be able to deal with story changes/obstacles, whatever... Secondly, although I respect a director's choice to command his/her career as he/she sees fit, I think it would be crummy for Nolan to pull a Singer and abandon the franchise right when it needs its third/final "trilogy" chapter. It's his baby now. He can do what he wants, but I think it would be kinda rude for him to leave the franchise now. Thirdly, I think it's just dumb to say "Oh I can't do Batman 3 because I wanted the Joker in it and now that he can't be in it I don't want to be a part of Batman anymore". That makes zero sense. Nolan's love for the Batman world obviously extends BEYOND the Joker, or else he never would of made the Joker-less Batman Begins.

I think this is all bullcrap made up by people who think because Ledger won't return the franchise was wiped out.

Which it isn't.

 

[up2nogood316]

Nolan will come back to continue telling his story. He just needs his time to come back fresh. These types of projects can mentally wear a person out very easily.

As far as the Joker, I personally always believed the story being told in TDK requires for the character to come back. He is the cause of the predicament Batman finds himself in going into the next movie. The theme of the two opposing but identical magnitude forces is not completed yet. I saw him being positioned as the Darth Vader of these series of movies. We just need a talented actor to play the role, and considering how well it was done with Ledger, I have no doubt Nolan can select someone that can get the job done. I really do trust his judgement.

We wont see Batman 3 for a while, but when we do, rest assured it will be a high quality product.

i agree with the darth vader of the series comment, i feel he was being put out there as a long term thing. the whole 'we are destined to do this forever' thing, it didnt feel like the book was being closed on this fight between the joker and batman. i mean just look at what he did to bruce throughout the movie, things were improving, harvey dent (the glimmer of hope bruce NEEDED to go back to a normal life) was gaining momentum and joker blows him half to hell, he kills rachel,blows up hospitals, it goes on and on, he took batman to his very limits. I mean batman literally has nothing now. back to square 1, even worse considering now rachels gone. how people can think he cud just come on as a 1 scene cameo in the third one seems bizarre.

after the joker in TDK, having some green oaf wearing a hat going 'riddle me this' in the next one is gonna seem terrible!!.... only jokin. im actually really looking forward to seeing a nolanised riddler, but as i said, i believe everything pointed to the joker being a long term pain in the backside for batman in the nolan story, not just a Ra's style hi - bye.

 

[GregComicFan]

after the joker in TDK, having some green oaf wearing a hat going 'riddle me this' in the next one is gonna seem terrible!!.... only jokin. im actually really looking forward to seeing a nolanised riddler, but as i said, i believe everything pointed to the joker being a long term pain in the backside for batman in the nolan story, not just a Ra's style hi - bye.

I disagree that the Riddler would be so poorly treated/handled/interpreted.

Once again, we are making the Joker out to be the ONLY cool, worthwhile villain... which is just not true. That's why I don't understand/believe this "no Joker issue" as being the cause for Nolan considering not returning. It doesn't make sense. No Joker does not equal Bad Batman Movie. It just doesn't.

Riddler is awesome. Catwoman is awesome. The list goes on and on.

 

[MadVillainy]

Nah Riddler is pretty lame....

Black Mask and Catwoman are who Im hoping for in BB3

 

[Venom'sDad]

The Penguin is a must and fit better in Nolan's world, than any remaining villain.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I disagree. Deathstroke, Riddler, and Black Mask are the only shoe-ins for me.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I can go for BlackMask as well.

 

[Travesty]

What Jett says goes! He has "sources".

And he's bestest friends with Nolan.

 

[Eric Brooks]

ALL of Batmans villains can fit into Nolan's world. You people forget that his rogues were made with the intention of being more realistic over any of the other rogues in the D.C. universe. Only the animated series took it to extreme lengths (example Man Bat and Clayface). The original Clayface was done perfectly in "Birds of Prey" proving he and ANYONE and EVERYONE in the gallery can be done in live action form


I don't buy into all the hoopblah about only certain villains fitting into Nolan's world. That way of thinking is just crap

 

[Anjow1060]

I must be the only one who thinks Black Mask sucks.

Seriously, it's like fanboys want him in the movie to gain some super egotism over the normies by saying "I knew about this character before you did cuz I read the comics."

Honestly, the riddler hasn't been handled properly on film to this point in time. Kinda like the bastardization of Lex Luthor thats been on film. It's a wonder people here can even lay claim that they read comics seeing as they want lame characters in replace of good ones that haven't been given the proper treatment.

..but I digress, Jett's full of BS and google adsense.

Nolan will be back. He just doesn't wanna deal with a hoard of B3 questions prior to, during and after Inception. He'd rather just keep the press focus on that film. Which is completely understandable and respectable. Whether or not it will actually happen from the press.....i doubt it. But still, that's my best guess.

- Jow