Batman Begins Nolanites praise B89/Returns.

[Numez]

that would be nice.

 

[Keyser Soze]

that would be nice.

Erm......what?

Over in the Overrated thread you just posted in, you've got "Nolanites" as recently as the last 2 pages (me included) praising the Burton films.

This may come as a shock to you, but people ARE allowed to like both Christopher Nolan AND Tim Burton. You don't have to "choose a side".

 

[CFE]

When a thread is made, why is there always someone who feels the need to make a "reverse" thread?

As for me...Total "Batmanite" ... The 40s Serials, The 60s show, Burton, TAS, Schumacher, Batman Beyond, Nolan, The Batman...

True fans can find the positives in all of it.

CFE

 

[Mr. Socko]

When a thread is made, why is there always someone who feels the need to make a "reverse" thread?

As for me...Total "Batmanite" ... The 40s Serials, The 60s show, Burton, TAS, Schumacher, Batman Beyond, Nolan, The Batman...

True fans can find the positives in all of it.

CFE

I've only seen a single episode or two of 40s serial. I'm not a fan of Batman Beyond, not that it was a bad show; I didn't like the concept and to me, it wasn't really Batman. I'm a fan of the rest though.

 

[CConn]

I've only seen a single episode or two of 40s serial. I'm not a fan of Batman Beyond, not that it was a bad show; I didn't like the concept and to me, it wasn't really Batman. I'm a fan of the rest though.

No, it wasn't really Batman. Which is why it was called Batman Beyond.

 

[GoogleMe94]

I've only seen a single episode or two of 40s serial. I'm not a fan of Batman Beyond, not that it was a bad show; I didn't like the concept and to me, it wasn't really Batman. I'm a fan of the rest though.

same here. thats like the only real batman thing that i dont like. i even liked begins more then Beyond. beyond just wasnt batman to me, it was too techno, too new age weirdness. i like classic batman, not that modernized crap.

 

[Mr. Socko]

No, it wasn't really Batman. Which is why it was called Batman Beyond.

I only watched the show because it had "Batman" in it. The even worse part, or just as bad, was that they couldn't use the normal rogues gallery, either. Instead they made up a bunch of other villains that I didn't like at all.

But surprisingly, or not, I really liked Return of the Joker.

same here. thats like the only real batman thing that i dont like. i even liked begins more then Beyond. beyond just wasnt batman to me, it was too techno, too new age weirdness. i like classic batman, not that modernized crap.

I agree. Bruce Wayne is the one and only Batman, he can't be replaced.

 

[CFE]

Well if you think about it, Bruce wasn't replaced. Terry McGinnis was just his field agent.

Now had they killed off Bruce, I'd understand the hostility towards Beyond. But it's just as valid to me.

CFE

 

[Bat-Mite]

Like others have said, I think the Burtonite vs. Nolanite stuff is silly. I don't like Batman '89, but I LOVE Batman Returns. As I've said in other threads, I think Burton was getting a much better feel for Batman and it's a shame that he wasn't allowed to make a third movie. I like one Nolan movie and one Burton movie, so don't really consider myself a Burton/Nolan fanboy, even though I do like Nolan's version just a tad bit more. That being said, here's the stuff I like about Burton's movies:

Batman '89:
Gotham City - the appearance was perfect.
Michael Gough as Alfred - Wow, this guy just nailed the part, and he was a real trooper for sticking with the series till the end (though Keaton can hardly be blamed for dropping out when he did).
The Batwing and the Batmobile both looked awesome.
The Joker's appearance - For all my *****ing about Nicholson's performance, I have to admit that he looked the part.
The Bat cave was pretty neat as well.. loved how Bruce had a pet bat in a cage.

Batman Returns
Everything (well.. almost)! But here are some highlights:
Catwoman
The return of that iconic Batmobile
The return of Michael Gough as Alfred
Devito's Penguin
Christopher Walken
The gothic winter wonderland look... loved it.
The scene where Catwoman puts the bird in her mouth (I used to think that was special effects, but I recently learned that Pfeiffer put a real bird in her mouth for that scene, so I have a lot of respect for that part now).
Paul Reubens as The Penguin's dad... that was perfect casting.
The ending, where it shows Catwoman looking at the bat signal.

 

[CConn]

I only watched the show because it had "Batman" in it. The even worse part, or just as bad, was that they couldn't use the normal rogues gallery, either. Instead they made up a bunch of other villains that I didn't like at all.

But surprisingly, or not, I really liked Return of the Joker.

You should've been watching it because it was made by Bruce Timm.

Beyond's rogues gallery was pretty lackluster, but you're kinda missing the point of Beyond; it's not supposed to be Batman, or his usual rogue gallery. It's supposed to be something new, something different. Terry McGinnis is a different character than Bruce Wayne, and that's part of what made the show so good, IMO. It wasn't just a imagining of Batman, it was a creation of a new character as good as, if not better, than any of Batman's allies in the comics.

 

[TLH]

True fans can find the positives in all of it.

Clearly you've never seen Batman and Robin. t:

 

[CFE]

Clearly you've never seen Batman and Robin. t:

Again...True fans can see the positives in all of it...If you can't accept "Batman & Robin" as a valid interpretation of the character, that's your problem...

CFE

 

[DX]

Batman Begins is my fave superhero movie....but do I enjoy/praise B89/Returns? HELL YEAH.

Those movies got rid of the idea that Batman was a camp character. That alone deserves praise.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I thnik this thread is very unnecessary and foolish.

There's a lot of "Burtonites" (maybe most or all of them) that like things about BB, but because of some Nolanite's hostility to the Burton material, it naturally makes them voice displeasentries about Nolan's films. My thread in the Misc. Films forum is to dispel that.

Trust me, any "hardcore" Nolanite that truly feels as if BB is the first "real" Batman film isn't going to post in this thread. So it's a waste.

My thread can actually do something; tear down the extreme loathing (but not hate) for BB that exists in some Burtonites. This thread, however, is only going to attract the middle-of-the-road fans, not the "Nolanites" as it were. It is a hope of mine that my thread will start to destroy the Nolanite/Burtonite bull. This thread can only serve to keep the division in place.

 

[BatScot]

Again...True fans can see the positives in all of it...If you can't accept "Batman & Robin" as a valid interpretation of the character, that's your problem...

CFE

That film is the problem and no one is less of a fan for saying so... hell, a TRUE fan would say so.

IBL

 

[CFE]

It's certainly the weakest of the films, but it's still Batman.

A true Batman fan loves Batman...not just 'Comic Book' Batman or 'Burton' Batman or 'Nolan' Batman...

Plus given the fact that a very large chunk of Batman's fanbase, probably larger than us, IS children...There's no harm in having "Batman & Robin" be a part of the literary cannon of the character.

That's what a True fan would believe.

CFE

 

[Keyser Soze]

I thnik this thread is very unnecessary and foolish.

There's a lot of "Burtonites" (maybe most or all of them) that like things about BB, but because of some Nolanite's hostility to the Burton material, it naturally makes them voice displeasentries about Nolan's films. My thread in the Misc. Films forum is to dispel that.

You know, you could just as easily flip that around. I've seen plenty of militant "Burtonites" refuse compromise, and push Begins fans into attacking Burton's Batman to defend "their" film. Though I personally feel that you shouldn't have to bring down "the other guy" to defend what you like. It's the same reason why I don't like people trashing Nicholson in order to praise Ledger.

 

[MacLeod]

Again...True fans can see the positives in all of it...If you can't accept "Batman & Robin" as a valid interpretation of the character, that's your problem...

CFE

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. Being a huge fan I do respect most of what is put out there in regards to Batman. B&R is a valid interpretation of the 60's tv show and that era but that doens't mean you have to respect it. Being a fan of something doesn't mean you blindly go into everything and say it's great, in actuality you look at things more seriously than others do and find fault in it more. There are parts of B&R that I liked, ironically it was only of Bruce as a child with Alfred, but for the rest of the movie I thought it was a grave injustice to Batman as a character and I didn't like it. That doens't make me less of a fan, in fact it proves that I am one that knows what he likes about the real character of Batman. Someone may be a fan of eating jellybeans but can't stand one flavor, that doens't make him less of fan of eating what he likes, he still likes jellybeans as a whole. So, problems aside, being a fan of Batman, a huge fan of Batman, allows me to judge what I like and dislike with the knowledge that I have gained over the years. B&R was not good in my opinion, it's not Batman, that doesn't mean I don't like Batman in most of the other avenues of the franchise.

 

[CFE]

Umm...please show me where I said "Love Batman & Robin just because it's Batman"

My statement was "You can find the positive in everything."

I think I also said earlier that "Batman & Robin" was the weakest of the theatrical films.

So you're not disagreeing with me...you're actually agreeing with my statement.

CFE

 

[MacLeod]

Umm...please show me where I said "Love Batman & Robin just because it's Batman"

My statement was "You can find the positive in everything."

I think I also said earlier that "Batman & Robin" was the weakest of the theatrical films.

So you're not disagreeing with me...you're actually agreeing with my statement.

CFE

I never said you loved B&R but you did say that it's a valid interpretation of the character and it's a problem if you don't see it that way. I don't see B&R as any interpretation of Batman because it is such a poor movie. Just because he used to be drawn that way or was that way in a tv show doesn't mean that it's Batman. B&R is so far removed from what I consider to be Batman that the movie is does not represent him in any way.

 

[Cain]

I never said you loved B&R but you did say that it's a valid interpretation of the character and it's a problem if you don't see it that way.

We all have a Batman interpretation we prefer I'm partial to the 70's comics myself. However I don't confuse my having a preference with what is a valid interpretation of Batman. It is valid because he was still a crime fighting detective who wanted to protect Gotham City from criminal villains.

They took a route I never even would've considered with that film but it's just as valid an interpretation as any other Batman film. A campy Batman saved the character from ever dissapearing into oblivion and converted millions of people into lifelong fans so I'd say it's just as "definitive" as any other version of the character Batman.

 

[CFE]

Agreed.

I was first exposed to Batman through the Burton films, so I'll be the first to admit that I'm partial to that depiction. But just because I'm passionate about the Burton films doesn't mean I dismiss everything that is not Burton.

The TNBA episode "Legends of the Dark Knight" visualized it best.

How it depicted both the brighter aspects of Batman through Dick Sprang and then the dark n' gritty Batman of Frank Miller's DKR...Then when we see the Timm Batman at the end of the episode, he has qualities of both interpretations.

There's a little piece of all 70 years worth of material in Batman today, and it's this very idea of interpretation that's allowed Batman to survive obscurity for nearly 70 years.

CFE

 

[DocLathropBrown]

You know, you could just as easily flip that around. I've seen plenty of militant "Burtonites" refuse compromise, and push Begins fans into attacking Burton's Batman to defend "their" film.

I wouldn't know... I'm not in the Nolan film forums enough to see it, I guess. I generally only see what happens in the Misc. Forum, where you get the occasional Nolan fan who only drops in to insult the Burton flicks (I'm not saying all of them do, I mean you get the type of Nolanite who does do that kind of thing).

Though I personally feel that you shouldn't have to bring down "the other guy" to defend what you like. It's the same reason why I don't like people trashing Nicholson in order to praise Ledger.

Damn right. I wish the borders were just broken. I think the devision comes more out of hostility to each other's preference than true hate for the other visions. We've really got to try to break this down. As a Batman fan, I love Batman Begins. I have a few problems with it, sure. But I got over my stupid radicalized hatred for it. I question a few of Nolan's decisions, but as a Batman fan, I have to get past it and look at the bigger picture.

I'm only hostile when hostility is shown to me. I think a lot of the people on other sides are the same way.

 

[CConn]

You know, you could just as easily flip that around. I've seen plenty of militant "Burtonites" refuse compromise, and push Begins fans into attacking Burton's Batman to defend "their" film. Though I personally feel that you shouldn't have to bring down "the other guy" to defend what you like. It's the same reason why I don't like people trashing Nicholson in order to praise Ledger.

Who on earth does that? Idiots like Google_Me or Batwing666?

The Burton fans who are actually half way intelligent like Doc here, and Batattack, and SHADOWBAT69, are always quite respectful to the Nolan films.

 

[The Joker]

Who on earth does that? Idiots like Google_Me or Batwing666?

Aren't they the same person?