Odd parts about Civil War...

[NateGray]

Considering the YA's only other option at that point is a GOVERNMENT PRISON . In case your actually not reading Civil War, which you must not be, let me point out one of the major points of the story for you, IF YOU DON'T REGISTER WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THEN YOU ARE AN OUTLAW COMBATANT AND YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND ARRESTED. AT WHICH POINT YOU WILL REGISTER AND BECOME "LEGAL" OR YOU WILL GO TO PRISON, PRESUMABLY FOR LIFE.

Once again, you didn't read anything that was posted, maybe just what you wanted to read and understand. There is nobody on Earth 616 that is better at what he does than Captain America. When he realized the situation he was in, which was a basically a no-win situation, he took out the leader, Iron Man.

my feelings as well also remember the speech Tony gave Jessica Jones once registered you WILL work for the government if you have super powers, Tony's line when Jessica asked about it is we will cover that bridge when we get to it, yeh umm sure Tony....
Everyone knows what he is saying except a few people who just refuse to see it the way it is being written.

 

[The Question]

1. Kidnapping is also a crime, they're guilty of that too. Also gun running, whatever the hell was up in the savage land, supporting HYDRA efforts (suspicion only but clearly they're up to it).

When did they kidnap anyone? Also, government agencies sell weapons to people all the time, including terrorist groups. It's a way to keep them under control. A very bad way, yes, but a way that is used. And the difference between those and pretending that Fury's still in charge when he isn't is that they've actually tried to keep those under wraps.

2. As stated it seems they want to portray this as terrorism rather than street gangs. Given some of the power wielded, its not COMPLETELY ridiculous. Especially given Shield is the only group with enough power to take down superhumans.

It is completely ridiculous. None of these heroes are posing a threat to the world at large. They're a U.S. problem. And why is SHEILD the only group that can deal with them? Why not the FBI? The feds don't get any funding?

Considering the YA's only other option at that point is a GOVERNMENT PRISON .

Well, technically all prisons are government prisons. And another option would simply have been for the kids to go home and quit, which is what I think a rational Captain America would tell them to do.

In case your actually not reading Civil War, which you must not be, let me point out one of the major points of the story for you, IF YOU DON'T REGISTER WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THEN YOU ARE AN OUTLAW COMBATANT AND YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND ARRESTED. AT WHICH POINT YOU WILL REGISTER AND BECOME "LEGAL" OR YOU WILL GO TO PRISON, PRESUMABLY FOR LIFE.

Why would they go to jail for life? When was it ever stated that not registering was a capital offense?

 

[NateGray]

When did they kidnap anyone? Also, government agencies sell weapons to people all the time, including terrorist groups. It's a way to keep them under control. A very bad way, yes, but a way that is used. And the difference between those and pretending that Fury's still in charge when he isn't is that they've actually tried to keep those under wraps.



It is completely ridiculous. None of these heroes are posing a threat to the world at large. They're a U.S. problem. And why is SHEILD the only group that can deal with them? Why not the FBI? The feds don't get any funding?



Well, technically all prisons are government prisons. And another option would simply have been for the kids to go home and quit, which is what I think a rational Captain America would tell them to do.



Why would they go to jail for life? When was it ever stated that not registering was a capital offense?

Because thats the way they are writing it and its not debatable its pretty much written register and be a Gov***** or disappear and heaven forbid you actually save someone with your powers ever again or its off to jail for you....
Did you read NA 22? because they pretty much say register or go to jail to Luke Cage even after he says all he wants to do is raise his daughter so that kinda shoots down your you don't have to register theory.

 

[The Question]

That doesn't answer my question at all. When did it say anything about not registering being a capital offense?

 

[NateGray]

That doesn't answer my question at all. When did it say anything about not registering being a capital offense?

NA 22 read it please its not debatable Cage clearly states he is not going to register and just wants to raise his daughter.
there response is you are under arrest....at 12:01 the minute the law was passed they were taking him to jail what about that are you not getting?

 

[danielisthor]

WHat is hard to understand. If your sitting in prison and your only crime is refusing to register and you continue to resist the registration act, at what point do you think they are going to say, okay you can go, your free, just don't be a hero.

The YA were already in defiance of the new law. They were already arrested. They can't just toss in their masks and capes and say, never mind, were going home. They were arrested, so was Cage. Cage had his rights read to him in NA by Shield CapeKillers. All are fugitives from the law. Cap can't just tell them to go home. Shield agents will be there waiting for them to take them in.

 

[The Question]

NA 22 read it please its not debatable Cage clearly states he is not going to register and just wants to raise his daughter.
there response is you are under arrest....at 12:01 the minute the law was passed they were taking him to jail what about that are you not getting?

What I'm not getting is how is it a capital offense. As in, how does it equate a life sentence?

WHat is hard to understand. If your sitting in prison and your only crime is refusing to register and you continue to resist the registration act, at what point do you think they are going to say, okay you can go, your free, just don't be a hero.



The YA were already in defiance of the new law. They were already arrested. They can't just toss in their masks and capes and say, never mind, were going home. They were arrested, so was Cage. Cage had his rights read to him in NA by Shield CapeKillers. All are fugitives from the law. Cap can't just tell them to go home. Shield agents will be there waiting for them to take them in.

Except, the feds don't know who they are. You know, since they didn't register.

 

[NateGray]

What I'm not getting is how is it a capital offense. As in, how does it equate a life sentence?



Except, the feds don't know who they are. You know, since they didn't register.

I understand what you are saying but somehow they seem to know who they are even if they have not registered.
As for why its a capital crime ask the writers who made it one sorrry but it just is because thats the way they are writing it.

 

[The Question]

Where are they writing it like that. You haven't given any proof as to not registering being punishable by life in prison.

 

[NateGray]

Where are they writing it like that. You haven't given any proof as to not registering being punishable by life in prison.

Ummm for the THIRD TIME READ NA 22 they PRINT It in that issue.

 

[The Question]

I don't have it. What exactly does it say?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

True. But Civil War is very very far from the greatest crossover in history.



Also, another weird thing I noticed. Why is S.H.E.I.L.D. enforcing a U.S. law? S.H.E.I.L.D. is an international organization. Like if the CIA and Interpol had a love child that takes steroids. The registration act should be none of their concern.

This bothers me as well, also because SHIELD already knows all the Superheroes IDs, so there is no point in registering through them even if they were a US institution.

 

[NateGray]

I don't have it. What exactly does it say?

See my post above the one you quoted.... the one with the Luke Cage reference its not like after they take himto prison they are going to just let him out in a couple years unless he registers in jail.

 

[The Question]

You didn't mmention anything about a life sentence besides when you said:

IF YOU DON'T REGISTER WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THEN YOU ARE AN OUTLAW COMBATANT AND YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND ARRESTED. AT WHICH POINT YOU WILL REGISTER AND BECOME "LEGAL" OR YOU WILL GO TO PRISON, PRESUMABLY FOR LIFE.

Does iot actually say, in New Avengers, that the punishment for not registering is a life sentence?

 

[NateGray]

You didn't mmention anything about a life sentence besides when you said:



Does iot actually say, in New Avengers, that the punishment for not registering is a life sentence?

Dude seriously at this point you are grasping at straws no they do not come right out and say it and its quite RUDE to modify a quote as I never said anything like you you are quoting me as saying.

I just do not get your refusal to accept thats the way they are writing it.

I am sorry they do not spell it out and they probably never will but if after reading any CW you are not seeing that then perhaps you shouldn't bother reading them because you are missing what they are showing quite clearly....

 

[The Question]

Dude seriously at this point you are grasping at straws no they do not come right out and say it

So, you're just assuming that it's a life sentence.

and its quite RUDE to modify a quote as I never said anything like you you are quoting me as saying.

I didn't modify anything. That's exactly what you said on the last page.

EDIT: Wait. That was someone else. Wird, I thought it was you.

I just do not get your refusal to accept thats the way they are writing it.

I haven't seen any proof that the punishment for not registering is a life sentence.

I am sorry they do not spell it out and they probably never will but if after reading any CW you are not seeing that then perhaps you shouldn't bother reading them because you are missing what they are showing quite clearly....

They haven't shown it clearly at all. They haven't shown what the punishment is besides jail time. They haven't said it was a life sentence, and it really wouldn't make any sense if they did.

 

[NateGray]

So, you're just assuming that it's a life sentence.



I didn't modify anything. That's exactly what you said on the last page.

EDIT: Wait. That was someone else. Wird, I thought it was you.



I haven't seen any proof that the punishment for not registering is a life sentence.



They haven't shown it clearly at all. They haven't shown what the punishment is besides jail time. They haven't said it was a life sentence, and it really wouldn't make any sense if they did.

Well then I am just seeing it differently than you perhaps maybe after reading NA22 you will see it more my way who knows maybe not thats why they are called opinions.
And I am sorry if I am comming off as rude I really do not mean to its just the way I am.
I type what I am thinking and do not realize it looks rude until I re-read sometimes.

 

[JackBauer]

know what else is odd? Spider-Man saying that "this isn't about right or wrong, this isn't about moral or immoral. it's about legal or illegal." when he never really cared that he was an illegal vigilante in the years and years he's been Spider-Man. Reed must've really gotten to his head with that McCarthyism crap.

it's also VERY odd how, in the same issue where Spidey says that, he keeps worrying that "something so right feels so wrong". I thought it wasn't about right or wrong, Spidey. which is it?!

it's just a single example of the terrible characterization going around this thing.

 

[NateGray]

know what else is odd? Spider-Man saying that "this isn't about right or wrong, this isn't about moral or immoral. it's about legal or illegal." when he never really cared that he was an illegal vigilante in the years and years he's been Spider-Man. Reed must've really gotten to his head with that McCarthyism crap.

it's also VERY odd how, in the same issue where Spidey says that, he keeps worrying that "something so right feels so wrong". I thought it wasn't about right or wrong, Spidey. which is it?!

it's just a single example of the terrible characterization going around this thing.

Yeh that was kinda forced Peter has always know right from wrong and he seems to know what he is doing is wrong but is doing it anyways at least IMO.
Goes back the CW 1 where Cap tells Maria Hill so you are going to tell us who the bad guys are now.... like the government isn't full of them hehe

 

[Advocate05]

Maybe Scarlet Witch is controlling it again. Or some other villian manipulating everyone.

Example: Thor ... since when is he buds with IM? I thought he viewed Cap as someone who is like "The Gods".

I just find everything so odd. Black Panther turning down IM's request ... Tchalla is not even anywhere near USA. Why the hell is Tony there to begin with? Last I checks Africa is nowhere near USA. Yeah lets ask the X-Men to support an act thats as blantant and evil as a Mutant Registration Act, and the persecution of the heroes mirrors that of Human/Mutant.

 

[The Question]

Really, I'm not seeing the comparison between the superhero registration act and the mutant registration act. The MRA was a blatant violation of civil liberties. The SHRA is a means of keeping vigilante activity in check. The feds are enforcing the act in the worst way possible and are overreacting to Cap's opposition like crazy, but the act itself doesn't seem blatantly evil.

 

[NateGray]

Really, I'm not seeing the comparison between the superhero registration act and the mutant registration act. The MRA was a blatant violation of civil liberties. The SHRA is a means of keeping vigilante activity in check. The feds are enforcing the act in the worst way possible and are overreacting to Cap's opposition like crazy, but the act itself doesn't seem blatantly evil.

I guess thats where we differ I see it almost exactly like the mutant registration act.
And at least on that I do not think I am alone.

 

[Advocate05]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Acts_(comics)

There you go its the same and this article which is updated explains the similarites.

Its evil because it will allow no freedom. Even if you have SH powers, but do not want to use them. You will be forced to register or go to jail. Not cool.

And like what X-men have always said. Once the Registration act goes into play, whats to stop them from adding to the bill and putting more contraints on them.

The one bad thing about the SHRA, is that the ones that do become registered will almost be hired guns for the gov't. Not cool part 2.

 

[NateGray]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Acts_(comics)

There you go its the same and this article which is updated explains the similarites.

Its evil because it will allow no freedom. Even if you have SH powers, but do not want to use them. You will be forced to register or go to jail. Not cool.

And like what X-men have always said. Once the Registration act goes into play, whats to stop them from adding to the bill and putting more contraints on them.

The one bad thing about the SHRA, is that the ones that do become registered will almost be hired guns for the gov't. Not cool part 2.

 

[The Question]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Acts_(comics)

There you go its the same and this article which is updated explains the similarites.

I didn't see any explanation of similarities.

Its evil because it will allow no freedom. Even if you have SH powers, but do not want to use them. You will be forced to register or go to jail. Not cool.

Where did it say that? The only comic that suggested that was NA. Other heroes have simply quit rather than registering and nothing happened.

And like what X-men have always said. Once the Registration act goes into play, whats to stop them from adding to the bill and putting more contraints on them.

True. But that doesn't mean it's going to happen. While the feds are enforcing the act in the worst way possible, the act itself seems more comperable to the laws requiring private detectives to be registered and licensed.

The one bad thing about the SHRA, is that the ones that do become registered will almost be hired guns for the gov't. Not cool part 2.

What's wrong with them working for the government?