Odd parts about Civil War...

[SonOfCthulhu]

What I found odd was that in ASM 534 they were transporting prisoners, yet 90% of the guys I expected to see locked up were shown strolling through the sewers.

After the trashing Cap took, he got away?

And Cloak woke back up?

Heck, looking at that panel the only person I could pick out to be in the transport would have been Wiccan.

 

[Harlekin]

Some points:
- S.H.I.E.L.D. is in it because the registered superhumans will be working for S.H.I.E.L.D. It's also stated that they are trying to have other countries implement their own SHRA.
- Marvel contuinity about what the Reg entails is just all ****ed up. Firestar can retire, but Jessica Jones can't. Hardly any writer communication going on.

 

[The Question]

But if it's a U.S. law, why would the registered heroes answer to an international organization? Why not the FBI?

 

[Sentry2005]

But if it's a U.S. law, why would the registered heroes answer to an international organization? Why not the FBI?

Maybe its a technology issue. I'm not really sure how much tech the FBI have, but it could be along the lines that the President has requested S.H.E.I.L.D.s help with enforcing this law against terrorist attacks (which is what Cap and his gang would be seen as) because simply put, his agents aren't up to scratch.

Or more likely, everyone at Marvel forgot that S.H.E.I.L.D. are international

 

[Darthphere]

As I said before, SHIELD as an international spy agency could very easily hunt down any anti-reg heroes in other countries with the idea of them being threats to America.

 

[Sentry2005]

As I said before, SHIELD as an international spy agency could very easily hunt down any anti-reg heroes in other countries with the idea of them being threats to America.

Cool. Well, next time i'll read the whole thread without responding first

 

[3dman27]

But if it's a U.S. law, why would the registered heroes answer to an international organization? Why not the FBI?

in the novels stratigic action for emergencies s.a.f.e was creadted to fill the void created when the u.n. assumed sponsoeship of s.h.i.e.l.d. its charter gave it law enforcement juristiction regatding incedents involving super beings it was written into the comics during the fury agent 13 miniseries but for some reasons the comics writers don't recognize it

 

[Wolverazio]

What I want is some clarification on mutant's role. Because in the Illuminati when Tony tells the others about the SHRA, he starts by saying anyone with powers has to register.

Meaning if you're a mutant and your power is turning coke into pepsi, you still have to be registered with the government, even if you never take up any form of crime fighting (or even could).

....

So yeah...Magneto was right. How about that?

 

[Sentry2005]

What I want is some clarification on mutant's role. Because in the Illuminati when Tony tells the others about the SHRA, he starts by saying anyone with powers has to register.

Meaning if you're a mutant and your power is turning coke into pepsi, you still have to be registered with the government, even if you never take up any form of crime fighting (or even could).

....

So yeah...Magneto was right. How about that?

This is where I think Tony's act is flawed. I mean, lets use guns as an example.

If you own a gun you have to have it registered, regardless on intent to use. So when Cage said he was just going to stay in his apartment and not do anything in the recent New Avengers issue (or words to that effect), he was in fact wrong. He can't do that. He's still a potential weapon, and needs to be held accountable.

My main problem is with, say, a mutant with the ability to change Coke into Pepsi like you said. That would be like registering a water gun. It can cause absolutely no damage at all, except gun rot, and that's not the point of the SUPER HERO registration act.

Altho, now i'm going to contradict myself, the name of the act actually puts Cage in the right. And it also makes Tony look like a ****** for backing it. It's a super HERO registration act. So, what, villains don't need to bother? Hey look kids, there is Ted Dawson, he has the power of a million nutron stars, but guess what? He doesn't want to be a superhero, so the law doesn't appply right? Wrong. They've (The pro side) clearly shown that regardless of intent you're going to be arrested if you don't register, so at this point, i'm totally lost as to who the law affects and who it doesnt.

The X-Men are not picking a side. They aren't pro and they aren't anti. They're Switzerland, I think was the world war 2 analogy. Now, they're just sitting in the mansion, not doing anything... how is that different to what Cage was doing when he waited in his apartment? I mean, Cage was clearly anti registration, but as far as S.H.E.I.L.D. knew, he was just going to stay out of trouble until the whole affair was sorted. He wasn't actively doing anything, but they still took him down.

I mean, i've probably missed something, i'm not getting all the tie ins, just the main series, and I haven't read it properly yet (i've flipped through, but i'm waiting for all the parts to be out before I sit down and read through it as a whole), so if i'm wrong, just, yeah, tell me. But as it stands, this entire act seems stupid, because Luke Cage (in my eyes) is both right and wrong at the same time.

This may also be one of the reasons why I hate politics

 

[Wolverazio]

This is where I think Tony's act is flawed. I mean, lets use guns as an example.

If you own a gun you have to have it registered, regardless on intent to use. So when Cage said he was just going to stay in his apartment and not do anything in the recent New Avengers issue (or words to that effect), he was in fact wrong. He can't do that. He's still a potential weapon, and needs to be held accountable.

My main problem is with, say, a mutant with the ability to change Coke into Pepsi like you said. That would be like registering a water gun. It can cause absolutely no damage at all, except gun rot, and that's not the point of the SUPER HERO registration act.

Altho, now i'm going to contradict myself, the name of the act actually puts Cage in the right. And it also makes Tony look like a ****** for backing it. It's a super HERO registration act. So, what, villains don't need to bother? Hey look kids, there is Ted Dawson, he has the power of a million nutron stars, but guess what? He doesn't want to be a superhero, so the law doesn't appply right? Wrong. They've (The pro side) clearly shown that regardless of intent you're going to be arrested if you don't register, so at this point, i'm totally lost as to who the law affects and who it doesnt.

The X-Men are not picking a side. They aren't pro and they aren't anti. They're Switzerland, I think was the world war 2 analogy. Now, they're just sitting in the mansion, not doing anything... how is that different to what Cage was doing when he waited in his apartment? I mean, Cage was clearly anti registration, but as far as S.H.E.I.L.D. knew, he was just going to stay out of trouble until the whole affair was sorted. He wasn't actively doing anything, but they still took him down.

I mean, i've probably missed something, i'm not getting all the tie ins, just the main series, and I haven't read it properly yet (i've flipped through, but i'm waiting for all the parts to be out before I sit down and read through it as a whole), so if i'm wrong, just, yeah, tell me. But as it stands, this entire act seems stupid, because Luke Cage (in my eyes) is both right and wrong at the same time.

This may also be one of the reasons why I hate politics

No you're actually spot on (and I'm not buying all the tie ins either, not even buying the main, just what series I buy normally...but I find ways to read *wink*). And again, this is why I don't like it because this is just a veiled reason to get super heroes fighting each other.

And, as far as comparing it to guns...if you register guns, you're not necessarily taking them away. And even if you do take them from their owner, you're not handing them out to other people, they're just getting destroyed or used by police officers, etc.

The act doesn't just register those with powers so they can be tracked...it makes them obedient to the President. It's a draft, really. And as Capt. said, "if the President calls the shots, how soon before he begins deciding who the super villains are?"

The act changes heroes from heroes to soldiers. And, poor Speedball doesn't even have his powers anymore...but he still has to be registered. This is definitely not a "with everyone's best interests at heart" law.

 

[mr. black]

And, poor Speedball doesn't even have his powers anymore...but he still has to be registered. This is definitely not a "with everyone's best interests at heart" law.

Speedball's powers flickered on for a second in Frontline #4.

 

[Wolverazio]

Speedball's powers flickered on for a second in Frontline #4.

But the govt (and I) did not know that when the deal was made.

 

[The Question]

This is where I think Tony's act is flawed. I mean, lets use guns as an example.

If you own a gun you have to have it registered, regardless on intent to use. So when Cage said he was just going to stay in his apartment and not do anything in the recent New Avengers issue (or words to that effect), he was in fact wrong. He can't do that. He's still a potential weapon, and needs to be held accountable.

Not agreeing with that. Cage can't help that he has his powers. It was an accident. And he can't get rid of them either. Registering people who put on costumes and take the law into their own hands is one thing. They're making the choice. Registering someone who got powers by accident is another.

 

[Sentry2005]

Not agreeing with that. Cage can't help that he has his powers. It was an accident. And he can't get rid of them either. Registering people who put on costumes and take the law into their own hands is one thing. They're making the choice. Registering someone who got powers by accident is another.

But at the end of the day, Cage has the potential to be a big weapon. I agree that he shouldn't have to register if he (for example) he wasn't going to put on a costume and fight crime.

But lets say Sentry does the same thing(not wearing a costume of fighting)... She-Hulk... It's like leaving a nuclear device unregistered in the middle of America. It's asking for trouble. And I don't think the citizens of the MU would stand for it.

But at the end of the day the SHRA has turned into a witch hunt, with Tony, Reed and Hank at the top, and if those guys are in charge they must be right

 

[Harlekin]

It isn't the Superhero Reg. Act...

It's the Superhuman Reg. Act

 

[Darthphere]

It isn't the Superhero Reg. Act...

It's the Superhuman Reg. Act

No, its actually the Superhero Registration Act, im looking at my copy of Civil War right now.

 

[Harlekin]

I'm pretty sure I've read a comic where it's stated as the Superhuman act, not the Superhero.

Oh, well.

 

[roach]

The act doesn't just register those with powers so they can be tracked...it makes them obedient to the President. It's a draft, really. And as Capt. said, "if the President calls the shots, how soon before he begins deciding who the super villains are?"

while i dont disagree with the statement...it coming from Cap is pretty hypocritical since he was and pretty much still is being pointed at supervillains by either the US government or Shield

 

[Darthphere]

while i dont disagree with the statement...it coming from Cap is pretty hypocritical since he was and pretty much still is being pointed at supervillains by either the US government or Shield

Id agree, if he had never not followed an order before.

 

[roach]

but I expected something like this from Millar

 

[Wolverazio]

But at the end of the day, Cage has the potential to be a big weapon. I agree that he shouldn't have to register if he (for example) he wasn't going to put on a costume and fight crime.

But lets say Sentry does the same thing(not wearing a costume of fighting)... She-Hulk... It's like leaving a nuclear device unregistered in the middle of America. It's asking for trouble. And I don't think the citizens of the MU would stand for it.

But at the end of the day the SHRA has turned into a witch hunt, with Tony, Reed and Hank at the top, and if those guys are in charge they must be right

So mutants born with potentially dangerous powers have all choices stripped from them and are forced into being a super powered army at the President's discretion? They don't get to be artists or writers or teachers, they have to go, get trained by SHIELD, and fight in whatever war the President deems necessary.

This is beginning to look more and more like a commentary on a draft rather than on anything else...

 

[Uncanny]

Why is it that SHIELD squad can go after superhero and not the badguys out there?

They go after the superhero like there is no tomorrow. They have never took it to a level like this with the the bad guys.

 

[Sentry2005]

So mutants born with potentially dangerous powers have all choices stripped from them and are forced into being a super powered army at the President's discretion? They don't get to be artists or writers or teachers, they have to go, get trained by SHIELD, and fight in whatever war the President deems necessary.

This is beginning to look more and more like a commentary on a draft rather than on anything else...

I think the mian point is to register people who can be used as a weapon, so that they receive the training required for them to know how to not kill people.

Hell, if the MU were the real world, I'd be pro, simply because to me it makes sense to want to have people who (in some cases) are more powerful than a nuke be trained rather than have them accidentially kill a load of kids. I think i'd also be pro because IF people were killed by the mis-actions of a powered person, the SHRA makes them accountable for what they've done.

 

[Darthphere]

but I expected something like this from Millar

Ummm ok?

 

[3dman27]

So mutants born with potentially dangerous powers have all choices stripped from them and are forced into being a super powered army at the President's discretion? They don't get to be artists or writers or teachers, they have to go, get trained by SHIELD, and fight in whatever war the President deems necessary.

This is beginning to look more and more like a commentary on a draft rather than on anything else...

perhaps it IS