Why is the Red Skull considered Cap's archnemesis?

[CaptainCanada]

he is pure evil and he knows who Cap is

That's not really worth a whole lot, since Cap doesn't really have a private life. His supporting cast is basically his fellow heroes, Nick Fury, and Sharon Carter.

 

[The Overlord]

That's not really worth a whole lot, since Cap doesn't really have a private life. His supporting cast is basically his fellow heroes, Nick Fury, and Sharon Carter.

Yeah but Sharon is someone the Skull can use to get to Cap, I know she is a SHIELD agent, but let's face it, anyone who isn't the main hero can become hostage bait in the comics, how amny times has Robin been captured? Besides the Red Skull is evil and creative, surely he can come up with something more sinister than getting Cap fired.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Yeah but Sharon is someone the Skull can use to get to Cap

That's what he's doing right now.

 

[The Overlord]

That's what he's doing right now.

Yeah, but if he doesn't suceed in doing anything he will still seem like a lame duck. Exactly what is he doing?

 

[Harlekin]

Kingpin ain't a meta by the way. He's a normal human, except everything that you would think is fat is in fact muscle.

 

[The Question]

Its still very silly. There was no way Red Skull could have create a fool proof fake ID, do you know how many security checks one would have to go through in order get a cabinet position like that? I think the CIA would wonder why this guy only has a real tracible history for the last decade or so. I think the US government was jobbing to the Red Skull, if his feat was only achievible through jobbing that's kinda sad. Besides what's going to affect someone more the deaths of thousands of strangers or death of one loved one? Carange has killed way more people than the Green Goblin, but who does Spider-Man hate more?

1) How do you know the Rusk identity only had a history going back about ten years? The Skull worked on it for decades. He probably made all kind of forged documents. Birth certificate, driver's license, passport, and so on. If you take enough time, you can make a fake person who seems very convincing on paper.

2) Cap feels responsible for every sing death The Red Skull has caused, since he's the guy who's failed to take him out since day one.

Kingpin has metahuman level strength, in a issue of Spider-Man where tore off part of a stair case to beat up Spider-Man. Kingpin is a freak, he may very well be stronger than cap, but not faster. The fact that the red Skull sacerficed his best advanatage near the end of the fight shows him to be an arrogant fool.

The Kingpin does not have metahuman strength, and he is definately stronger than cap. In any event, The Red Skull shouldn't have been squished by him, as he is capable of lifting more than Fisk's weight.

Still it seems like every time the Skull gets cosmic power Captain America is able to trick him or take it away from him somehow. at least when Doom loses his cosmic powers its either because a great cosmic force takes the powers away or because he gets bored with with them and allows the heroes to take them away. The Skull constantly getting cosmic powers and then losing them to captain America makes him look like a fool who doesn't learn from his mistakes.

That's not true at all. Reed Richards usually tricks Doom into losing his powers. There's nothing lame about being outsmarted by your intelectual equal.

Still showing up in meeting with Mags and directing racial slurs at him, will make the Skull far easier to find then not meeting with mags and not directing racial slurs at him.

He was trying to manipulate Magneto. Being horribly horribly racist, he probably sees himself as Magneto's superior. The racist mind is not a rational one.

The Skull really a step up. He has potenial, but it hardly gets tapped proprely. Seriously using robots, super villains and convoluted plans to take over the US government make him seem like a very generic villain. The Red Skull is pure evil and I'm pretty sure he knows who Cap really is and the worst thing he can do to Cap is get him fired, that's weak. He should do something to hurt Cap on personal level, not a political one, a very simple, yet evil act to hurt Cap in a very personal level.

1) He didn't use robots or anything in the Red Zone arc. He infiltraited the U.S. government and detinated a **** load of bio weapons all over the country.

2) Everyone knows who Captain Ameirca is. He doesn't have a secret identity.

 

[Vanguard07]

Baron Zemo had bigger successes against Cap (Bucky and that picture of Cap's mom and stuff) but he's not Cap's archnemesis.

Skull has been plaguing Cap for far longer. Cumulative psychological damage my friends.
Hell Red Skull drove Cap to kill (outside of war time i mean in one of the arcs where Skull had the cosmic cube and Cap had his energy shield)
As far as I know nobody else has ever done that.

The fact is RS is the opposite of Cap and has been his enemy for the longest. He is the embodiment of everything that Cap opposes.
Zemo simply didnt have what it takes to last for the long haul. Had Zemo lived he might have eventually become Caps Arch Nemesis but he didnt so he isnt. Simple as that. Skull has lasted longer and done more.

 

[The Overlord]

1) How do you know the Rusk identity only had a history going back about ten years? The Skull worked on it for decades. He probably made all kind of forged documents. Birth certificate, driver's license, passport, and so on. If you take enough time, you can make a fake person who seems very convincing on paper.

Marvel Time is only ten years, so the Red Skull has been active in the modern age for the last 10 years. Even if it was 20 years back, the CIA is would figure that the guy has no real tracible history after a certain point. The US governemnt was jobbing to the Red Skull

2) Cap feels responsible for every sing death The Red Skull has caused, since he's the guy who's failed to take him out since day one.

Spidey feels even more responsible for every death Carnage causes because spider-man brought the alien creature that created him to Earth, that still doesn't change the fact that he hates the Green Goblin for killing Gwen far more then he hates Carnage for killing all those strangers. Killing a loved one will always affect someone more than killing a bunch of strangers, you think the Skull would know that.

The Kingpin does not have metahuman strength, and he is definately stronger than cap. In any event, The Red Skull shouldn't have been squished by him, as he is capable of lifting more than Fisk's weight.

Breaking off part of a stair case isn't a sign of metahuman level strengthg? Besides the Skull would have had to stay his ground to pick Kingpin up and Kingpin would have used his superior strength to smash him. The best thing the Skull could do was strike and dodge, which he didn't do at end and which is why he lost. He's an arrogant fool.

That's not true at all. Reed Richards usually tricks Doom into losing his powers. There's nothing lame about being outsmarted by your intelectual equal.

When had the Beyonder powers he allowed the heroes to live and defeat him because he grew bored of the powers. The Skull has never done that, he just makes the same mistake over and over again.

He was trying to manipulate Magneto. Being horribly horribly racist, he probably sees himself as Magneto's superior. The racist mind is not a rational one.

There is a difference between being insane. Joining a team filled with people who are far more powerful then you and making racial slurs at them, that's just stupid. Most racists don't go up to a bunch of black men that twice their size, by themselves and make racial slurs at them. Even a racist has some concept of common sense, but I guess the Skull doesn't have that, which makes him look like a bone head.

1) He didn't use robots or anything in the Red Zone arc. He infiltraited the U.S. government and detinated a **** load of bio weapons all over the country.

2) Everyone knows who Captain Ameirca is. He doesn't have a secret identity.

Red Skull only infiltraited the US government by the US government jobbing to him, the whole arc was filled with jobbing , the red Skull managed to disable Iron Man's armour? That's just silly. Its shame the Skull can look impressive by having everyone job to him. Plus that whole scheme was convoluted, surely the Skull can devise a more direct and simple to hurt Cap. The Skull knows who Cap is and is pure evil, why doesn't he try hurt Cap personally, killing one loved one hurts a person far more then killing a thousand strangers, does the Skull not understand basic human psychology? Doesn't seem like he's trying hard enough to make Cap suffer, that's why he needs a step up.

 

[The Overlord]

Baron Zemo had bigger successes against Cap (Bucky and that picture of Cap's mom and stuff) but he's not Cap's archnemesis.

Skull has been plaguing Cap for far longer. Cumulative psychological damage my friends.
Hell Red Skull drove Cap to kill (outside of war time i mean in one of the arcs where Skull had the cosmic cube and Cap had his energy shield)
As far as I know nobody else has ever done that.

The fact is RS is the opposite of Cap and has been his enemy for the longest. He is the embodiment of everything that Cap opposes.
Zemo simply didnt have what it takes to last for the long haul. Had Zemo lived he might have eventually become Caps Arch Nemesis but he didnt so he isnt. Simple as that. Skull has lasted longer and done more.

Still the Skull should be Cap's arch nemesis because he's Cap's most hated foe, not because he merely has the benefit of being around the longest. The Skull knows who Cap is and is pure evil, you would think he could come up with something cooler than getting Cap fired. He should be more creative, do one simple yet truly evil act to make Cap feel personal pain like he was never felt before.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, there was that whole thing during Disassembled...

 

[The Overlord]

Well, there was that whole thing during Disassembled...

I got bored with that series and stopped reading half way, what did the Skull do in Disassembled?

 

[Darthphere]

Why is the Devil, Jesus archnemesis? the jews did more harm to him than anyone else did.

 

[The Overlord]

Why is the Devil, Jesus archnemesis? the jews did more harm to him than anyone else did.

The Devil didn't know Jesus secret identity.

Seriouly though the red Skull is pure evil and knows who Captain America really is, wouldn't it be in character from him to hurt Cap on a personal level, do something a little more evil then getting him fired?

 

[The Question]

Marvel Time is only ten years, so the Red Skull has been active in the modern age for the last 10 years. Even if it was 20 years back, the CIA is would figure that the guy has no real tracible history after a certain point. The US governemnt was jobbing to the Red Skull

No, they weren't. And while it's only been ten years since the Fantastic Four and Avengers showed up, The Red Skull has been around since WWII. In any event, ten years is plenty if time to forge a false identity with a convincing backstory, as long as you take your time. Especially with all the connections The Red SKull has with AIM and his own terrorist organization, Axis Mundi.

Spidey feels even more responsible for every death Carnage causes because spider-man brought the alien creature that created him to Earth, that still doesn't change the fact that he hates the Green Goblin for killing Gwen far more then he hates Carnage for killing all those strangers. Killing a loved one will always affect someone more than killing a bunch of strangers, you think the Skull would know that.

Captain America definately feels far more responsible for The Red SKull than Spidey does for Carnage. Carnage was a serial killer who just lucked into super powers. Pete is tangentially responsible for said super powers. But Cap has had the chance to take The Red Skull down time and time again, has been willing to do so, and has failed. Every death that The Red Skull has caused since WWII is because Captain America was unable to end his life years ago. And often, The Red Skull strikes out againts hundreds of innocents simply to piss Steve off.

Breaking off part of a stair case isn't a sign of metahuman level strengthg? Besides the Skull would have had to stay his ground to pick Kingpin up and Kingpin would have used his superior strength to smash him. The best thing the Skull could do was strike and dodge, which he didn't do at end and which is why he lost. He's an arrogant fool.

Well, maybe the fact that The Kingpin doesn't have any super powers is a good indication that he doesn't have any super powers. Also, The Red SKull is stronger than Fisk.

When had the Beyonder powers he allowed the heroes to live and defeat him because he grew bored of the powers. The Skull has never done that, he just makes the same mistake over and over again.

No. He's done a similar thing with Cap often. The only reaon The Red SKull lost the cosmic cube the first time he fought Cap is because he wanted their final battle to be more sporting, and thus only used a fraction of his power.

There is a difference between being insane. Joining a team filled with people who are far more powerful then you and making racial slurs at them, that's just stupid. Most racists don't go up to a bunch of black men that twice their size, by themselves and make racial slurs at them. Even a racist has some concept of common sense, but I guess the Skull doesn't have that, which makes him look like a bone head.

He is not stupid. He thought that their trying to reach a common goal would keep the team together. I'm guessing he didn't know that Magneto was a holocaust survivor.

Red Skull only infiltraited the US government by the US government jobbing to him,

No, they weren't. He outsmarted them, yes. Because he's a psychotic genius with the resources of a massive neo nazi terrorist organization at his disposal who had years to plan his infiltration of the U.S. government.

the whole arc was filled with jobbing , the red Skull managed to disable Iron Man's armour? That's just silly.

No it's not. If he can get his hands on the specs of Iron Man's armour, which as the Secretary of Defense he would be more than cabable of doing, it would be quite simple, really.

Its shame the Skull can look impressive by having everyone job to him. Plus that whole scheme was convoluted, surely the Skull can devise a more direct and simple to hurt Cap.

The plan wasn't about hurting Cap. It was certainly a bonus, as he knew causoing the deaths of thousands of innocents would really pis Steve off, but I'm pretty sure the main goal was wiping out a good chunk of the U.S.' population and taking control of the country.

The Skull knows who Cap is and is pure evil, why doesn't he try hurt Cap personally, killing one loved one hurts a person far more then killing a thousand strangers, does the Skull not understand basic human psychology? Doesn't seem like he's trying hard enough to make Cap suffer, that's why he needs a step up.

1) Everyone knows who Cap is. At least, it's easy enough to find out if you really want to know. He doesn't have a secret identity. And all of his loved ones are secret agents, superhumans, or both. Not the easiest people to get to.

2) The Red Skull isn;t entirely about hruting Cap. He really does enjoy doing it, but another bog part of his regular plans is creating a fourth Reich with himself as the new Furer.

 

[The Overlord]

No, they weren't. And while it's only been ten years since the Fantastic Four and Avengers showed up, The Red Skull has been around since WWII. In any event, ten years is plenty if time to forge a false identity with a convincing backstory, as long as you take your time. Especially with all the connections The Red SKull has with AIM and his own terrorist organization, Axis Mundi.

The Red Skull was in suspended animation until the begining of Marvel time, so he has only been active for the past 10 years. Besides wouldn't the FBI become suspious when no one in his home town knows who where he grew up? That the whole story is filled with holes and no competent investigater would fall for it, unless jobbing was involved.

Captain America definately feels far more responsible for The Red SKull than Spidey does for Carnage. Carnage was a serial killer who just lucked into super powers. Pete is tangentially responsible for said super powers. But Cap has had the chance to take The Red Skull down time and time again, has been willing to do so, and has failed. Every death that The Red Skull has caused since WWII is because Captain America was unable to end his life years ago. And often, The Red Skull strikes out againts hundreds of innocents simply to piss Steve off.

Killing one loved one would hurt an individaul more than killing thousands of strangers. This is basic human psychology. Who would you hate more, a guy would killed a thousand people that you have never met or the guy who killed your son? Besides the Skull has already twice, so Cap has suceed, twice in his objective, it be emotionally immature to keep on blaming himself for all the deaths the Skull has caused and I don't think Cap is emotional immature. Besides Spidey literally created carnage, Cap did not create the Skull, so I don't see how Cap can feel more responsible for the Skull then Spidey does over Carnage. cap has been tasked with taking down Hydra before and Hydra is still around, you think Cap feels responsible for everything Hydra does?

Well, maybe the fact that The Kingpin doesn't have any super powers is a good indication that he doesn't have any super powers. Also, The Red SKull is stronger than Fisk.

So I regular guy with regular stength can rip off part of a stair case and use it a weapon? fFankly has Cap or the Skull done anything like that?


No. He's done a similar thing with Cap often. The only reaon The Red SKull lost the cosmic cube the first time he fought Cap is because he wanted their final battle to be more sporting, and thus only used a fraction of his power.

Doom has conquered the world twice, but gave up it because he was bored, so that is part of his character. Why does the Red Skull keep on losing his powers

He is not stupid. He thought that their trying to reach a common goal would keep the team together. I'm guessing he didn't know that Magneto was a holocaust survivor.

You think if the Skull would do research into his team mates before joining a team and find out stuff, unless he was stupid

No, they weren't. He outsmarted them, yes. Because he's a psychotic genius with the resources of a massive neo nazi terrorist organization at his disposal who had years to plan his infiltration of the U.S. government.

Exactly how did the Skull create a tracible past for this guy, especially since he has only been out of suspended animation for only the last 10 years.

No it's not. If he can get his hands on the specs of Iron Man's armour, which as the Secretary of Defense he would be more than cabable of doing, it would be quite simple, really.

Is Stark in a idiot, does he not have devices that detect and deactivate foreign objects? Of course he isn't and of course he has such a system in place, Stark was jobbing to Skull pure and simple, having his IQ lowered to that of a raisin for the sake of the story.

The plan wasn't about hurting Cap. It was certainly a bonus, as he knew causoing the deaths of thousands of innocents would really pis Steve off, but I'm pretty sure the main goal was wiping out a good chunk of the U.S.' population and taking control of the country.

Let me ask then how often does Cap reflect on this storyline has emotionally painful experience vs. all the times he focused on Bucky's death and return as a deadly assassin over the last 40 years?

1) Everyone knows who Cap is. At least, it's easy enough to find out if you really want to know. He doesn't have a secret identity. And all of his loved ones are secret agents, superhumans, or both. Not the easiest people to get to.

So what, Robin is very good crime fighter and look at the times he has gotten cpatured over the years. If the Skull is as good as you say, he should easily kidnap or hurt Sharon Carter.

2) The Red Skull isn;t entirely about hruting Cap. He really does enjoy doing it, but another bog part of his regular plans is creating a fourth Reich with himself as the new Furer.

If Skull would stop with convoluted plans involving robots, super villains and getting named Sec. of Defense and just came with plan to inflict maximum emotional suffering on Cap, he would seem far like Cap's arch nemesis and far less like a generic super villain, IMO. The Skull is pure evil, knows all about Cap and is Cap's arch nemesis and the most evil thing he does to Cap personally is get fired?! What, he didn't have time to make crank phone calls or swipe Cap's newspaper in the morning? Jesus, he's pure evil and he doesn't how to inflict true emotional pain on his enemy. Its like he isn't trying. Why wouldn't he do something like that? Seriously shouldn't he focus on tormenting and killing Cap first and taking over the world second, because the reverse hasn't been working for him.

 

[The Question]

The Red Skull was in suspended animation until the begining of Marvel time, so he has only been active for the past 10 years. Besides wouldn't the FBI become suspious when no one in his home town knows who where he grew up? That the whole story is filled with holes and no competent investigater would fall for it, unless jobbing was involved.

That's really not true at all. First off, if it's said he grew up in the big city, that helps keep his past less traceble as people are harder to notice in a big city unless they do something big. And even if he was only around in the modern world for ten years, he could still forge a false identity. Make the proper fake documents and take a few years to construct it to give the apearance of the person actually existing. With the proper amount of time and resources, which The Red SKull has, it could work.

Killing one loved one would hurt an individaul more than killing thousands of strangers.

That's not necessairily true. Cap feels personally responsible for every single one of those deaths. Which do you think hurts more?

This is basic human psychology. Who would you hate more, a guy would killed a thousand people that you have never met or the guy who killed your son? Besides the Skull has already twice, so Cap has suceed, twice in his objective, it be emotionally immature to keep on blaming himself for all the deaths the Skull has caused and I don't think Cap is emotional immature. Besides Spidey literally created carnage, Cap did not create the Skull, so I don't see how Cap can feel more responsible for the Skull then Spidey does over Carnage. cap has been tasked with taking down Hydra before and Hydra is still around, you think Cap feels responsible for everything Hydra does?

1) Spidey is not personally responsible for Carnage's existence. He is, at best, tangentially responsible.

2) It's not the same with Hydra as it is with The Red Skull. Cap does feel a strong sense of responsibility for the Skull and what he's done.

So I regular guy with regular stength can rip off part of a stair case and use it a weapon? fFankly has Cap or the Skull done anything like that?

Cap and The Skull are stronger than Fisk by a good deal. And, as I said, Fisk is not a superhuman. He's incredibly string, but from a crap load of weight lifting, not superhuman abilities.

Doom has conquered the world twice, but gave up it because he was bored, so that is part of his character. Why does the Red Skull keep on losing his powers

Because Cap outsmarted him. They're intelectual equals. It's allowed.

You think if the Skull would do research into his team mates before joining a team and find out stuff, unless he was stupid

How would he know that Magneto was a survivor of the camps? Almost no one knows that.

Exactly how did the Skull create a tracible past for this guy, especially since he has only been out of suspended animation for only the last 10 years.

It doesn't take ten years to forge a tracible past for a fake person.

Is Stark in a idiot, does he not have devices that detect and deactivate foreign objects? Of course he isn't and of course he has such a system in place, Stark was jobbing to Skull pure and simple, having his IQ lowered to that of a raisin for the sake of the story.

No, he wasn't. If the Skull had the suit's specs, then he'd be able to get around the fail safes.

Let me ask then how often does Cap reflect on this storyline has emotionally painful experience vs. all the times he focused on Bucky's death and return as a deadly assassin over the last 40 years?

The story only happened a couple of years ago.

So what, Robin is very good crime fighter and look at the times he has gotten cpatured over the years. If the Skull is as good as you say, he should easily kidnap or hurt Sharon Carter.

That's terrible logic.

If Skull would stop with convoluted plans involving robots, super villains and getting named Sec. of Defense and just came with plan to inflict maximum emotional suffering on Cap, he would seem far like Cap's arch nemesis and far less like a generic super villain, IMO. The Skull is pure evil, knows all about Cap and is Cap's arch nemesis and the most evil thing he does to Cap personally is get fired?! What, he didn't have time to make crank phone calls or swipe Cap's newspaper in the morning? Jesus, he's pure evil and he doesn't how to inflict true emotional pain on his enemy. Its like he isn't trying. Why wouldn't he do something like that? Seriously shouldn't he focus on tormenting and killing Cap first and taking over the world second, because the reverse hasn't been working for him.

That's completely stupid. He has other goals besides making Cap suffer. Making Cap suffer is just a bonus.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Still the Red Skull is Captain America's arch nemesis, but it seems like he was handed that title rather than earned it.

And I would whole heartedly agree with this statement. Just like if you asked "Why is Lex Luthor and not Mongul Superman's archnemesis (however Lex Luthor's story has been retold)" we might come to the same conclusion. Captain America was created to fight Nazi's, Red Skull was created to be a Nazi.

The Red Skull is Cap's arch nemesis, he is pure evil and he knows who Cap is, yet the worst he has done to Cap is get him fired. That's weak. Instead of relying on robots and super villains and convoluted plans to take over the White House, why doesn't he just commit a simple, yet evil act that would hurt Cap on a personal level, instead of a political level.

Because it's hard to retcon a whole character like that. Red Skull IS a politician, even from back in his Nazi days when he worked for Hitler. He knows politics, he knows how to manipulate people in politics and business, that is his skill set.
It would just be like if Magneto suddenly got elected to some position, or infiltrated it. While that might be a believable thing for Mystique, for Magneto it would be ridiculous. Magneto would never use political office to reach his goals, it's not his style.
But Red Skull, that's what he does. It's how he gained and used power in youth, it's how he does it now.

 

[The Overlord]

And I would whole heartedly agree with this statement. Just like if you asked "Why is Lex Luthor and not Mongul Superman's archnemesis (however Lex Luthor's story has been retold)" we might come to the same conclusion. Captain America was created to fight Nazi's, Red Skull was created to be a Nazi.

Because it's hard to retcon a whole character like that. Red Skull IS a politician, even from back in his Nazi days when he worked for Hitler. He knows politics, he knows how to manipulate people in politics and business, that is his skill set.
It would just be like if Magneto suddenly got elected to some position, or infiltrated it. While that might be a believable thing for Mystique, for Magneto it would be ridiculous. Magneto would never use political office to reach his goals, it's not his style.
But Red Skull, that's what he does. It's how he gained and used power in youth, it's how he does it now.

What has Post crisis Mongul ever done to hurt Superman? Post crisis Mongul is a joke.

The Skull may have been handed that role, but I still think he needs a step up, do something really simple to hurt, rather then enacting all these convoluted plans involving robots, super villains and getting named sec of defense.

Red Skull is a politican, but come on you think he would understand basic human psychology enough to understand how to really hurt someone, getting Cap fired is not really that evil and the Skull is supposed to be pure evil, you think he could came up with something cooler.

 

[roach]

That's not really worth a whole lot, since Cap doesn't really have a private life. His supporting cast is basically his fellow heroes, Nick Fury, and Sharon Carter.

the first thing I'd fix if i was the writer

 

[The Overlord]

That's really not true at all. First off, if it's said he grew up in the big city, that helps keep his past less traceble as people are harder to notice in a big city unless they do something big. And even if he was only around in the modern world for ten years, he could still forge a false identity. Make the proper fake documents and take a few years to construct it to give the apearance of the person actually existing. With the proper amount of time and resources, which The Red SKull has, it could work.

With the super tech and everything they have at their command you would think the uS government would not be fooled in a such manner. besides even living in a big city there would be holes. If his school records are forged, what would happen if the FBI went to that school to confirm it? Its bad writing, you just don't want to accept it

That's not necessairily true. Cap feels personally responsible for every single one of those deaths. Which do you think hurts more?
In in the past 40 years how often has Cap reflected on the death of Bucky vs. the death of a stranger?

1) Spidey is not personally responsible for Carnage's existence. He is, at best, tangentially responsible.

2) It's not the same with Hydra as it is with The Red Skull. Cap does feel a strong sense of responsibility for the Skull and what he's done.

Can you point to an issue where Cap has expressed this feeling? Besides

Cap and The Skull are stronger than Fisk by a good deal. And, as I said, Fisk is not a superhuman. He's incredibly string, but from a crap load of weight lifting, not superhuman abilities.

Feats are what matter, everything else is irrelevant. Has Cap or the Skull ever did anything like ripping off part of a stair caseand using it as a club.

Because Cap outsmarted him. They're intelectual equals. It's allowed.

How many times has Cap outsmarted the Skull when he had cosmic powers? Are they really equals if Cap keeps on out smarting, even the Skull has a huge advantage.


How would he know that Magneto was a survivor of the camps? Almost no one knows that.

So mister uber terrorist Red Skull can fool the entire US government into naming him Sec of defense but can't find Magneto usrvived the Holocaust? Contradiction. ]

It doesn't take ten years to forge a tracible past for a fake person.

So when they go to confirm these forged documents, what happens?

No, he wasn't. If the Skull had the suit's specs, then he'd be able to get around the fail safes.

if the government had Tony specs, they would create an army of Iron Mans of their own. They don't, Tony never shared it with them, which is they can only create inferior models like Guardsmen or Mandroids, so the Skull wouldn't have the specs, its just jobbing.

The story only happened a couple of years ago.

How many times has Cap reflected on Bucky's death

That's terrible logic.

Says you, your opinion does not equal fact. Let me ask you, how many times has Robin been captured over the last 60 years?

That's completely stupid. He has other goals besides making Cap suffer. Making Cap suffer is just a bonus.

The Skull conquering the world is like Romania winning the world Cup, it could happen but its very unlikely. The Skull screwing with Cap is more feasible then him taking over the world, Hell if he suceeded Mags or Doom would likely just kill him afterwards. The Skull has little chance of taking over the world compared to people who are far more powerful and not serving outdated ideologies like Doom, Magneto or even the Mandarin have way better chance than the Skull to take over the world. I think the Skull should focus on smaller, more feasible goals, like screwing with Cap. Seriously the Skull is evil and knows who Cap is he should be screwing with Cap, doing something far more evil than getting him fired, that would be more scarey than him developing convoluted plans to take over the world, when there are world conquerors out there with a far greater chance of sucess than him.

 

[The Question]

With the super tech and everything they have at their command you would think the uS government would not be fooled in a such manner. besides even living in a big city there would be holes. If his school records are forged, what would happen if the FBI went to that school to confirm it? Its bad writing, you just don't want to accept it

It's not bad writing. The thing is, the FBI doesn't, as far as I know, go to the former schools of a member of the presidential cabinet to confirm his history. It is possible to forge a convincing false history for yourself in the space of a couple of years.

In in the past 40 years how often has Cap reflected on the death of Bucky vs. the death of a stranger?

I don't know. I've never stopped to count. It probably a higher number, though. Of course, do you mean a specific stranger of several thousands os strangers? Because then the numbers are probably closer.

Can you point to an issue where Cap has expressed this feeling? Besides

In alot of issues where he fought The Red Skull. Red Zone is a prime example.

Feats are what matter, everything else is irrelevant. Has Cap or the Skull ever did anything like ripping off part of a stair caseand using it as a club.

Probably. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of their various feats of strength, but I know it's impressive. And I do know two things: The Kingpin does not have super powers, and Cap and The Red Skull are stronger than him since they do have super powers.

How many times has Cap outsmarted the Skull when he had cosmic powers? Are they really equals if Cap keeps on out smarting, even the Skull has a huge advantage.

I think it happened about twice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Red Skull's only had cosmic powers a few times,

So mister uber terrorist Red Skull can fool the entire US government into naming him Sec of defense but can't find Magneto usrvived the Holocaust? Contradiction.

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That's not a contradiction at all. He'd have no reason to look into Magneto's backstory and specifically look for signs of his being in the camps. And there are no records of Magneto having been in the camps, since he shares his real name with almost no one.

So when they go to confirm these forged documents, what happens?

Well, if they're forged properly, then nothing would happen. Besides, the Secretary of Defense is an aopointed possition. The president picks him. I'm fairly certain that candidates don't go through FBI background checks to make sure that he actually exists. Most likely, The Red Skull was in polotics as Dell Rusk for about eight years. Long enough to build a good reputation.

if the government had Tony specs, they would create an army of Iron Mans of their own. They don't, Tony never shared it with them, which is they can only create inferior models like Guardsmen or Mandroids, so the Skull wouldn't have the specs, its just jobbing.

It's not jobbing (which I'm begining to suspect isn't even a real word). The government may very well have technical specs on the iron Man armor, and simply not use them because they don't want to spend three billion dollars per soldier. Besides, he probably had a huge team of scientists working for him in Axis Mundi, so even if he didn't have the specs, he probably had them cook up some weapon that took out Tony's armor.

How many times has Cap reflected on Bucky's death

1) that's not really a response to what I said.

2) I don't know. Alot, I'd say.

Says you, your opinion does not equal fact. Let me ask you, how many times has Robin been captured over the last 60 years?

1) I'm not saying my opinion is fact. I', saying your logic is flawed.

2) That's in continuity? Once or twice.

The Skull conquering the world is like Romania winning the world Cup, it could happen but its very unlikely. The Skull screwing with Cap is more feasible then him taking over the world, Hell if he suceeded Mags or Doom would likely just kill him afterwards. The Skull has little chance of taking over the world compared to people who are far more powerful and not serving outdated ideologies like Doom, Magneto or even the Mandarin have way better chance than the Skull to take over the world. I think the Skull should focus on smaller, more feasible goals, like screwing with Cap. Seriously the Skull is evil and knows who Cap is he should be screwing with Cap, doing something far more evil than getting him fired, that would be more scarey than him developing convoluted plans to take over the world, when there are world conquerors out there with a far greater chance of sucess than him.

Okay, here's the thing: The Red Skull's sole purpose in life is not to mess with Cap. He certainly takes great joy in it, but he does also want to create a fourth reich and seat himself as the Furer. You're basically saying that he should give up everything about him that makes him him and become a glorified stalker.

 

[Sloth7d]

I, personally, think Zemo was his arch foe, despite everyone saying RedSkull was. But its all a matter of opinion. Just like some argue that DoctorOctopus is Spidermans arch nemises, while most will say its the GreenGoblin. And at one point, Venom was without a doubt his arch foe. To each his own I guess.

 

[Purple Man]

Read Ed Brubakers Captain America.

I don't think there needs to be any more explaining.

Plus we are on Zemo number two already, and he's on the Thunderbolts. An archnemesis to Cap he is not though he's had his moments.

 

[Artistsean]

Red Skull is his arche enemy because while Cap represents everything good about America and what people should live up to, Red Skull represents pure evil, nazis, hating and killing because someone is different.
He is like the opposite of Captain America in the way that Joker is Batman's opposite.

Also because Cap was created in the comics, and in real life by Jack Kirby, during World War 2, a war against the Nazis. Red Skull was created to be the Nazis' Captain America.