Official 2007-08 NHL Thread

[Alex The Great]

eh. i guess lapointe can hlp us. and wtf montreal? miss out on getting Hossa, trade HUit away....ugh.

LOL @ Toronto

Draft picks suuure will help ya when your in the bottom of the barrel THIS year

i lol'd at them not been able to trade sundin away....

 

[Dark Donnie]

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The Ottawa Senators have fired their head coach John Paddock.

GM Bryan Murray will take over as the coach of the Senators. Murray had given Paddock a vote of confidence a week ago, and obviously that didn't last too long. Murray coached the team last season to the Stanley Cup final before becoming the new GM of the Senators during the off-season. With the trade deadline on Feb. 26, Murray could easily take over as coach without worrying about his GM duties.
Source: TSN.ca

 

[Victor Creed]

So it sounds to me like the Sens will bring in a new coach each year and when the deadline is over, they'll dump him so Murray can step in again, lol.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Steve Bernier is off to a quick start with Buffalo, two goals in the first

 

[Immortalfire]

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Wtf

 

[Watson]

LOL @ Toronto

Draft picks suuure will help ya when your in the bottom of the barrel THIS year

i lol'd at them not been able to trade sundin away....

The best thing for the Leafs is to get as many draft picks as they possibly can. There is no way they are making the playoffs this year. They need to refocus and rebuild. Time for a 5 year plan.

Sundin...ugh. He wouldn't waive his no trade clause, which IMO was a selfish stupid move. He could have gone and had a shot at winning a cup in what little time he has left as a decent player, and the leafs would have gotten a 1st round draft pick and a chance at grabbing Samakos (sp?).

Overall I think the leafs dropped the ball. Even with Sundin and McCabe not waiving thier no-trade clauses, they could have traded Antropov or another to get a first rounder. I can only hope they step it up a notch on draft day.

 

[Victor Creed]

Sundin...ugh. He wouldn't waive his no trade clause, which IMO was a selfish stupid move. He could have gone and had a shot at winning a cup in what little time he has left as a decent player, and the leafs would have gotten a 1st round draft pick and a chance at grabbing Samakos (sp?).

Sundin earned the NTC a hell of a lot more than those other 4 bums who got em too. IMO, he earned the right to choose and he chose. If he'd rather win a cup with only Toronto, or not at all, that's his choice, but for anyone to vilify him for not waiving it is stupid.

It's Stamkos btw.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Sundin earned the NTC a hell of a lot more than those other 4 bums who got em too. IMO, he earned the right to choose and he chose. If he'd rather win a cup with only Toronto, or not at all, that's his choice, but for anyone to vilify him for not waiving it is stupid.

It's Stamkos btw.

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

 

[Victor Creed]

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

Kaberle is in the top 10 for sure, but Sundin has been the top player for that team consistently every single year. Sundin isn't hurting anyone by not waiving his NTC, the management is hurting the Leafs by offering them to anyone who has a decent season.

If there really are that many Leafs fans who have a problem with this, then maybe he should've played in a franchise that actually appreciated him.

 

[Shifty]

Kaberle is in the top 10 for sure, but Sundin has been the top player for that team consistently every single year. Sundin isn't hurting anyone by not waiving his NTC, the management is hurting the Leafs by offering them to anyone who has a decent season.

If there really are that many Leafs fans who have a problem with this, then maybe he should've played in a franchise that actually appreciated him.

I think what pisses people is that ownership/management did a piss poor job handling the situation. Back when the "Fire Fergusson" or "Fergusson can't fire the coach" rumours started in November/December something should have been done. And then when Fletcher was hired they didn't seem to ask Sundin what do you want to do. Finally last week he comes out and says he doesn't believe in being a rental, won't waive at all. He should've said that a long time ago.
The other GMs will thankfully learn from this. I hate the Leafs and love that they couldn't unload 4 "top" players and have a damn good chance of making a good start at rebuilding. You have to respect Sundin but even if he doesn't believe in it I would say still do it for your team and sign back in the summer. You'll screw some team out of young talent/draft picks. Doug Weight did it, Fatboy did it last year to Thrashers, Rechhi did it etc.

 

[Victor Creed]

I think what pisses people is that ownership/management did a piss poor job handling the situation. Back when the "Fire Fergusson" or "Fergusson can't fire the coach" rumours started in November/December something should have been done. And then when Fletcher was hired they didn't seem to ask Sundin what do you want to do. Finally last week he comes out and says he doesn't believe in being a rental, won't waive at all. He should've said that a long time ago.
The other GMs will thankfully learn from this. I hate the Leafs and love that they couldn't unload 4 "top" players and have a damn good chance of making a good start at rebuilding. You have to respect Sundin but even if he doesn't believe in it I would say still do it for your team and sign back in the summer. You'll screw some team out of young talent/draft picks. Doug Weight did it, Fatboy did it last year to Thrashers, Rechhi did it etc.

The difference between Sundin and Weight & Co. is that Sundin actually has class.

 

[Shifty]

The difference between Sundin and Weight & Co. is that Sundin actually has class.

Difference between Weight and Sundin is Weight has a Stanley Cup ring.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Flyers beat the slumping Senators. We are in the 8th seed for now.

 

[Alex The Great]

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Paddock was

Murray fo life!

 

[Victor Creed]

Hagman with a Hat Trick, and Richards gets a career high 5 ASSISTS!!!

Dallas beats Chicago 7-4, although Turco's ****ty play doesn't really show how good the Stars looked.

 

[Shifty]

Paddock was

Murray fo life!

Well at least Ottawa scored a goal tonight....

It was a ownership move, Murray is a loyal guy and had worked with Paddock prior to his hiring. But Claude Jullien was fired with three games left and it didn't workout of the Devils and he's doing good in Boston. It won't take 10 years for Paddock to get another NHL head coaching job.

 

[Watson]

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

 

[TLH]

Hagman with a Hat Trick, and Richards gets a career high 5 ASSISTS!!!

Dallas beats Chicago 7-4, although Turco's ****ty play doesn't really show how good the Stars looked.

Maybe they traded the wrong goalie? Smith's youth and cheaper contracts would've boded well for many years for them.

 

[Victor Creed]

Maybe they traded the wrong goalie? Smith's youth and cheaper contracts would've boded well for many years for them.

They didn't trade the wrong goaltender, Marty just gets bored when he isn't facing much sustained pressure and then makes stupid decisions with the puck. Smith is a great goaltender, but Turco is a much better puckhandler and doesn't get flustered as easily. Tampa Bay is a much better place for Smith to develop into a #1 since he will have to learn to carry the team if he wants to get a win (such horrible defense on that team), lol.

 

[TLH]

They didn't trade the young goaltender, Marty just gets bored when he isn't facing much sustained pressure and then makes stupid decisions with the puck. Smith is a great goaltender, but Turco is a much better puckhandler and doesn't get flustered as easily. Tampa Bay is a much better place for Smith to develop into a #1 since he will have to learn to carry the team if he wants to get a win (such horrible defense on that team), lol.

You do realize that Turco is 7 years older then Smith, right? Unless you meant "wrong". In that case, it's subjective. Smith has a longer future in the league, and Turco's contract would have made absorbing some of Richards' contract a bit easier.

 

[Alex The Great]

nice preview for mister Hossa

Dear lord the HABS ARE ON FIRE!

 

[TLH]

Ha, yeah. I don't wish injury on anyone but Hossa getting injured in his first game as a Pen after Pittsburgh gave up all they did for him was...well, funny. It's like a Black Comedy or something.

 

[Alex The Great]

lol. oh why oh why are ma senators sucking?


oh i miss zdeno.

 

[Victor Creed]

You do realize that Turco is 7 years older then Smith, right? Unless you meant "wrong". In that case, it's subjective. Smith has a longer future in the league, and Turco's contract would have made absorbing some of Richards' contract a bit easier.

Fixed. That's what I get while reading and typing a response at the same time, lol. It's not really subjective because Smith just isn't as good as Turco at this point, and you can't substantiate a claim that he is. He hasn't faced a long amount of playing time and shown how durable he is like Turco has. Now he very well may end up being better (or worse) than Turco, but we aren't speaking in the future.

Trading Turco for a scorer would've been a moot point since we'd have a harder time keeping the puck out of our own net, so the extra scoring punch with that would keep it on par with what is going on now. Plus, I'd rather have a veteran, who is locked up for a few years, than having to re-sign and possibly overpay Smith to keep him on the team.

I am going to follow TB now though as Halpern was always one of my favorites since he is a very classy guy, and I do believe Smith can be a #1, it just depends on how he can adapt and develop his game.

 

[TLH]

I'm not doubting Turco at all. He annoys me when we (Calgary) have to play the Stars. Dallas and Calgary match up well for intense games, but it often depends on how Turco plays. I remember a game here in Calgary vs. the Stars when he must have stopped 4 or 5 SURE goals.

I assume you're a Stars fan? From Dallas, maybe? Anyway, yeah...Turco is a great player in the franchise and will no doubt be hanging in the rafters one day in Dallas (at least, I think so) whether or not he wins a cup with the Stars.