Comics Official ASTONISHING X-MEN Discussion Thread

[Random]

I think he will still use the visor in some capacity. Cyclops without his visor is like Thor without Mjollnir.

 

[Wolverazio]

He wouldn't really be called Cyclops anymore if he retained the control forever.

Which is why he should change his codename to Slym.


At least...that would make me like the character a bit more....

 

[Random]

Okay what if he retains control of his power but still put on the visor when he is on a mission. The visor could be a cool gadget like a DNA scanner or GPS.

 

[Kraven]

That cover is rockin. I don't think Scott without a visor will last too long.

 

[MRAZR]

That cover is rockin. I don't think Scott without a visor will last too long.

i HOPE IT IS sCOTT and he just needs the visor to focus his beams in battle. It shouldn't be so easy to mastre the control after the brain tampering. I thought this issue was due out on the 18th? Any body got one?

 

[Manic]

Which is why he should change his codename to Slym.

Scotty hasn't looked very slim since the 1990s.

Thanks, Jim Lee!

 

[X_fan08]

emma did something to him? psi- suregery?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Wow...he looks different. If he opened his eyes without that visor, he could punch a hole through a mountain. lol

 

[PhoenixWillRise]

are u sure that is Cyke.....?

When I first saw it, i thought the spoiler was that Ckye was no longer in the book (or at least not on the cover)

That character, to me, does not look like Scott at all... Guess we will find out soon enough tho!

BTW - if it is Scott without his visor, i hate that idea! lol - it;s like X3, having Phoenix without her flames!! Just wrong!

 

[BrianWilly]

As I've said in another thread...

I think it's a great progression and it's about time they got someone with the balls to really make it good story. If it were a lesser writer than Whedon doing this I'd be worried, but it isn't and so I'm not.

And if it gets retconned in a few years, well...I don't want that to happen obviously, but after the rape of Morrison -- not to mention the amount of history that Marvel has managed to conveniently forget within the last couple of years -- I think I'm pretty numb to Marvel and its loose retcon policies by now. Some people here might be okay with significant stories never having any lasting effect whatsoever, so hey...at least they'll be happy.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

And if it gets retconned in a few years

Well, this "Scott has been supressing his control over his powers since he was a kid" was a retcon in a first place. Anyways, it was well written so I had no problem with it.

 

[Bastila]

Looking at it are we sure its Scott?

 

[X_fan08]

i just assumed cuz he is the only one missing i could not point out. emma did tamper a bit to make him able to use his powers w/o visors. and he has on the old x-men threads from when jean was alive.

 

[MutantMetalhead]

I'm pretty sure that's him. It looks like how Cassaday's been drawing him without the visor (in the last 2 issues), only angry. Same hair color/length. Just different uniform

 

[Spectre722]

my guess is that he's fated to destroy the breakworld. whatever emma did to him totally unleashed his full power (through the arc whedon's dropped hints that cyclops' power is much bigger than just energy beams through his eyes). so this amped up power leads him to destroy the breakworld. then it's burnt out and he's back to optic beams and visors.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

There were other hints? Apart from just "What if it didn't just come out of my eyes"?

Also, whats with the bikes? There... there kinda lame.

At this point, anyone could destroy the breakworld. Whedon very rarely makes his climax's blatantly obvious (only one I could think of was Season 6 Buffy, where Willow went Dark Phoenix, that was telegraphed throughout the entire season, even then, she kills Warren, which is a suprise of sorts).

Cyclops is definetely a likely probability, as is Collosus, Shadowcat and Emma..

... so in my mind, the unlikely possibilities, Beast and Wolverine, may very well end up being the most likely...

So my question is, how the hell would Beast destroy the breakworld?

 

[Spectre722]

look at it this way. for a while now in nearly every x-title, cyclops has been getting dicked over when it comes to respect. the writers are always making him look like a idiot next to emma and he's not coming off like the leader he should. so whedon's been slowly building up the story to focus on cyclops getting the spotlight. So much so that if it turned out it wasn't cyclops it would look like a huge disaster.

 

[chris moore]

Its more than likely that the last arc occurs right after they deal with the hellfire club, so whatever has happened to Scott may well just not have worn off in the hour that the hellfire arc takes place in. Or as already said - maybe he burns out his power to return to his visor. Either way, you know he's getting a respect upgrade by doing this with his powers but will have his visor returned before Whedon leaves.

 

[americanguy96]

If Whedon is going to take away the visor, I have a hard time imagining that within the next arc he is going to put it back on Scott. Its called character development! I, for one, am very happy about it.

 

[Manic]

If Whedon is going to take away the visor, I have a hard time imagining that within the next arc he is going to put it back on Scott. Its called character development! I, for one, am very happy about it.

We're in the minority, pal. Whedon might leave the book with a visorless Cyclops, but I'd give it one or two writers before he's wearing it again.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Apparently, after seeing what happened to Grant Morrison's 'vision' after he left New X-Men, Whedon has made steps to ensure that the changes he makes to X-Men continuity stay ... at least for a while ....

... but who knows ...

Nevertheless, i am a big fan of cyclops and really appreciated the psycho analysis Emma put him through in (14#?), except, as it's been previously stated, he wasn't really that much of a weak leader in the first place. ONe of the things Emma mentioned was that he lost the leadership to Storm, but there were other factors that influenced his defeat. Ie, Maddy Pryor.

Also, I think, if Whedon hadn't turned the spotlight on Scott's "Weakness" people would never have noticed it in the other titles.

Take Civil War:X-Men and X-Factor for example, Scott features prominently as the leader in those situations (although this could be after Whedon's reinvention, i suppose), but it wasn't necessarily that Scott was being featured as a wet cowardly X-man in other titles, it's just that Emma was being featured more than him as the 'face of the X-men'.

Visorless or not, Whedon's focus on Cyclops can only be a good thing, either it be for the short-turn or the long-turn, but don't count all your chickens before they hatch.

I'd guarantee Whedon's got some bigger surprises and turns up his sleave that most (if any) haven't seen coming.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Also, I think, if Whedon hadn't turned the spotlight on Scott's "Weakness" people would never have noticed it in the other titles.

I, for one, didn't need Whedon to realize Scott's weaknesses. He's always been behind a woman. First Jean and now Emma. Maybe it was just that these two women have some great personalities, but Scott has always been written as a weak leader and as a person with a very bland personality IMO.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I'm sorry, I don't want to appear insistant, amatuerish or competitive but I don't agree in the slightest.

Scott very rarely has appeared as 'weak', in my humble opinion. I agree that Whedon's take on Scott is not inapropriate. He certainly has never been the type of leader that Captain America is to the Avengers, or Superman is to the Justice League, but in all fairness, they are some pretty big boots to fill.

He has made mistakes, his judgement has been clouded, but for a very, very long time he was the professor's right hand man for a reason. That reason being he understood where all the X-men fit in the 'team' equation and could capitalize on their personalities and abilities. He has been a trusted and admired leader by the younger X-Men.

The thing is, all the X-Men are now adults and have experienced alot, they could all be 'leaders' in they're own right, and many have, but this recent re-iteration of Scott by Whedon as 'wet' and uncommited is A NEW INTEPRETATION.

Look at Astonishing X-Men #2, Kitty even says this to Emma - "Scott Summers has been a leader all his life. I see him questioning himself, taking orders from you -- " I think that the implication there is that, Scott was always a STRONG leader, pre- Emma.

Which he was, take some time to look at some important X-Men stories from years gone by, most of them will show Scott in a healthy authoritive capacity, a far cry from the way he has been presented recently in ONE book: Whedon's Astonishing.

Look, I think what Whedon's doing with Scott is great, innovative and exciting, but don't convince yourself that Scott was never a great leader, because that is just bull****, IMHO.

 

[Manic]

Just a note: Scott never once questioned himself or took orders from Emma through the entire "Danger" arc.

 

[Bastila]

When does the next one come out???