Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - Part 4

[Mass Nerder]

Just a quick question for everyone:

Batman: Tony Daniel vs Scott Snyder, who do you recommend? I'm really torn on this because I either want to read Batman or Detective Comics. I really like Tony Daniel (who is doing Detective Comics now) but I've heard a lot of good things about Scott Snyder. So I was wondering which one does everyone recommend?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Scott Snyder... any day of the week.

Why DC keeps pushing Daniel I have no idea. Honestly... putting him on the rebooted Detective Comics is a travesty, on top of the already re-numbering travesty.

Which was only done because of Geoff Johns' hard-on for Green Lantern and his thought-process that once people flock to the cinemas... they'll suddenly flock to the comics.

Guess we know how thats turning out.

 

[Mystirious]

Scott Snyder's Batman comic books are definitely worth reading his current story about Dick as Batman as well as the subplot about Gordon's son have both been well written and excellent

 

[Saint]

Scott Snyder... any day of the week.

Why DC keeps pushing Daniel I have no idea. Honestly... putting him on the rebooted Detective Comics is a travesty, on top of the already re-numbering travesty.

Which was only done because of Geoff Johns' hard-on for Green Lantern and his thought-process that once people flock to the cinemas... they'll suddenly flock to the comics.

Guess we know how thats turning out.

I don't think it has to do with GL; it's the digital launch. With DC launching the entire line digitally, there are going to be a lot of non-fans who hear about it and decide to take a look for the hell of it--and the difference between Batman #1346356 and Batman #1 is probably going to inform whether these people decide to give it a shot.

I mean, think of it from their perspective: if you've never read comics but are thinking "Hey, for three bucks I'll give Batman a shot on my iPad," having that obvious jumping on point is going to be critical. You're not going to read the solicitation for Batman #3456314 to see if it's a good spot to jump on board, you're just going to say "Forget it." But if it's Batman #1, then you can't go wrong.

I'm not justifying DC's decision, of course (I don't think they should have relaunched Action and Detective), and obviously there's no guarantee that any of these potential new readers are going to stick around--but nevertheless, there's a reason behind the madness.

Incidentally, yes, Tony Daniel on Detective Comics #1 is a goddamn disgrace. It's Detective Comics #1, and they couldn't find A-list talent to write it? This reeks of Battle for the Cowl all over again; a Batman milestone wasted.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Scott Snyder's Batman comic books are definitely worth reading his current story about Dick as Batman as well as the subplot about Gordon's son have both been well written and excellent

Especially considering the writers run Detective Comics has had of late...

Paul Dini
Denny O'Neil
Greg Rucka
Scott Snyder...

... Tony Daniel...

 

[Tron Bonne]

It was a rumor, but that got debunked quite a long time ago. It's pretty established that was not the case at all

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I don't think it has to do with GL; it's the digital launch. With DC launching the entire line digitally, there are going to be a lot of non-fans who hear about it and decide to take a look for the hell of it--and the difference between Batman #1346356 and Batman #1 is probably going to inform whether these people decide to give it a shot.

I mean, think of it from their perspective: if you've never read comics but are thinking "Hey, for three bucks I'll give Batman a shot on my iPad," having that obvious jumping on point is going to be critical. You're not going to read the solicitation for Batman #3456314 to see if it's a good spot to jump on board, you're just going to say "Forget it." But if it's Batman #1, then you can't go wrong.

I'm not justifying DC's decision, of course (I don't think they should have relaunched Action and Detective), and obviously there's no guarantee that any of these potential new readers are going to stick around--but nevertheless, there's a reason behind the madness.

Incidentally, yes, Tony Daniel on Detective Comics #1 is a goddamn disgrace. It's Detective Comics #1, and they couldn't find A-list talent to write it? This reeks of Battle for the Cowl all over again; a Batman milestone wasted.

Yeah I know... I was just *****ing.

But seriously... comics are such a niche market. One that you are either interested in or not.

A shiny new number 1 isn't going to attract the uninitiated or those that has no interest in ''geeky'' stuff.

All my friends loved The Dark Knight and Iron Man... but it doesn't matter if the companies were giving them brand new number ones for free... they still wouldn't read them.

 

[Mystirious]

At least the Batman continuity isn't going to be affected by this relaunch spellbinder

Incidentally, yes, Tony Daniel on Detective Comics #1 is a goddamn disgrace. It's Detective Comics #1, and they couldn't find A-list talent to write it? This reeks of Battle for the Cowl all over again; a Batman milestone wasted.

Agreed

Daniels is an average writer at best and while some of his stories have been good I wish they had a better writer writing the new Detective Comics

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

At least the Batman continuity isn't going to be affected by this relaunch spellbinder

Isn't Barbara Gordon Batgirl again?

Or am I missing something...? It felt like 80% of Grant Morrison's work the past 6 years was tossed out the window.

 

[Mystirious]

Isn't Barbara Gordon Batgirl again?

Yep but they are not retconning what happened to her. She will still have been Oracle and Steph and Cass will still be around

Or am I missing something...? It felt like 80% of Grant Morrison's work the past 6 years was tossed out the window.

Nope not to worry Batman Inc will still be around

Thankfully the continuity of the Batman comic books is not being changed by this reboot. Bruce might be a little younger and some characters are getting redesigned costumes but other than that the Batman continuity isn't going to be changed

 

[Saint]

Yeah I know... I was just *****ing.

But seriously... comics are such a niche market. One that you are either interested in or not.

A shiny new number 1 isn't going to attract the uninitiated or those that has no interest in ''geeky'' stuff.

All my friends loved The Dark Knight and Iron Man... but it doesn't matter if the companies were giving them brand new number ones for free... they still wouldn't read them.

Yes, I think you're probably right, unfortunate as it is.

 

[Mystirious]

Hopefully some new readers might check out some of these series and like them

 

[Mystirious]

That's great news!

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Agreed Spellbinder

 

[The Caped Knight]

At least the Batman continuity isn't going to be affected by this relaunch spellbinder

I'm so delighted to hear this .

 

[flash13]

What was it about?

It was the one asking if Tim would ever headline a DC event. I have wanted a DCU event with Tim or Dick as a main player for a long time though I know its a long shot.

 

[Drz]

Oh, ok. I didnt know that.

It's a pretty weird rumour anyhow, you gotta remember Marvel publishes alot more comic books and whatnot, but this is more or less Dan Didio's dream. He wants to reinvent thr DCU for a new modern audience and get to the "core" of these characters the way he sees them, such as he did with Geoff Johns and GL a few years ago.

But yeah Tony Scott's got big Batman plans stretching from #1-#12 with his 1st arc, so it seems he's getting a good story that won't be interrupted by an event or anything, nor the coming of Batman: Leviathan

Scott Snyder Podcast on Batman
- Snyder's initial arc and plan is a 12 issue story arc that focuses on Batman and Gotham, it's basicly about the symbol of the Bat and how ever changing Gotham city is and how easily the Bat and Gotham itself can influence people to the good or to the bad or something else.
- Basicly it can question is this going to take Morrison influence when it comes to Barbatos and Darkseid, like how Milligan had Barbatos curse Gotham more or less, or how Darkseid caused torture to Batman thru time, but this is also how Gotham and Batman came to be more or less. Obviously the only real reason to assume the Morrison influence is because Scott Snyder to my understand is a Morrison fan, but i doubt he'd go all Morrison sci-fi for a arc thats suppose to be new friendly.

Ai caramba what happened to Two-Face! Did his right eye finally rot or something? Note i'm not complaining about the artist, but the eye does make me curious. Joker looks like the Prince of Chaos and music one way or another, and thats pretty awesome if you ask me. Gordon looks charming, fatherly and cool. =)

 

[Roose Bolton]

So I wonder how they're going to explain how Barbara can walk again. taking a shot of Christopher Reeve brand stem cells?

 

[CrimsonMist]

But yeah Tony Scott's got big Batman plans stretching from #1-#12 with his 1st arc, so it seems he's getting a good story that won't be interrupted by an event or anything, nor the coming of Batman: Leviathan

Scott Snyder...

Let's keep Tony Scott as far far far away from this stuff as possible.


But I'm digging the character designs by Capullo. I was hesitant with him based on that one cover image, but that image of Gordon is cool and his Joker looks pretty menacing. I'm digging the Two-Face design too. I like how it looks all melted and gross. I especially love how his eye is blackened. Plus, I like how Snyder intends to handle Bruce reacting with Gotham for the first time since he's been back. This should be some exciting stuff.

 

[Drz]

I have no idea why i had that director in mind. Maybe because of his upcoming Owlman Nemesis movie. Also here's Arkham City's Tim Drake design:

Spoiler

He will have a Red Robin alternate costume and 2 unique challange maps alongside being playabale in all the challange maps.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Looks more Bad ass than his comic appearance ever has.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Hopefully the Red Robin costume is comic-accurate to cover up that haircut. He looks like mini-Jason Statham.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That design is terrible, which is a shame because usually Rocksteady is a lot better with their designs. The hair is too short, the hood only works with Damian, and if Tim Drake was going to be used, they should have used his Red Robin identity as opposed to his Robin identity.

 

[HighFivingMF]

That design is terrible, which is a shame because usually Rocksteady is a lot better with their designs. The hair is too short, the hood only works with Damian, and if Tim Drake was going to be used, they should have used his Red Robin identity as opposed to his Robin identity.

And if it's Tim... Why is there a Flying Graysons poster.

 

[Drz]

And if it's Tim... Why is there a Flying Graysons poster.

Story wise: Arkham City is pretty much the ghetto/crime place with Crime Alley and everything, noone has touched anything there.

Real reason: So you can scan it, get a riddle and/or get a Nightwing biography.

That design is terrible, which is a shame because usually Rocksteady is a lot better with their designs. The hair is too short, the hood only works with Damian, and if Tim Drake was going to be used, they should have used his Red Robin identity as opposed to his Robin identity.

Red Robin will be a alternate costume, here's The Best Buy listing reads:

While supplies last, pre-order the game for an exclusive downloadable Robin character. Robin is a fully playable character in the new and improved challenge mode in Batman: Arkham City. The Tim Drake Robin pack is available exclusively to fans who pre-order the game from Best Buy on Xbox 360, PC and PS3.

Robin comes complete with his own unique gadgets and special moves, and will be playable in all challenge maps in the game, as well as two additional challenge maps that are included with the pack: Black Mask Hideout and Freight Train Escape.

The pack will also contain a bonus Red Robin character skin.

I heard that after the reboot Bruce is going to team up with Damian, am i correct? So if this whole reboot is about making things simpler for the fans, why would they have a different Robin from the comic books? Wouldnt that be confusing? Considering that he looks like Damian more than Tim, and that we're also getting a Red Robin skin, what's the point of calling him Tim?

They should have said that they re giving us both Tim and Damian and be done with it.

Because Rocksteady shouldn't feel they need to go the same flow as the comics, why not give the same designs, why is Roman Sionis the Black Mask and whatnot. Let Arkham City do their thing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Glad that they're putting out a Red Robin skin because I will be using that as opposed to that atrocious Robin design.