The Amazing Spider-Man Official Black Cat Casting & DIscussion Thread

[DACrowe]

Yes. Elisha Cuthbert. Much better.

We've had people saying her name since before Doc Ock alone was announced for SM2. To be fair she is a dead ringer, if on the younger side. Especially when she has full long hair. With that said, I've seen her only in 24 and The Girl Next Door. In the former she was so bad they wrote her out of the show and in the latter, well she just had to look hot and succeeded wildly. If that is all we want from BC, that is to look hot, then yeah she is a fine choice.

 

[craigdbfan]

ha, actually I was ambivalent about the casting of Grace, as Brock was always a weak character and I was open to a new interpretation. I also thought Grace was very good in In Good Company and is a bit underrated or typecast. With that said his Brock was an incredibly weak character in the final product, but that seems more due to a screenplay problem than anything.

With that said is this Diora girl dream casting, really? I looked her up because I had never heard of her before and yeah her images on Google, for the Maxims and FHMs of the world are incredibly hot. But then I checked wikipedia and the only movies she seemed to have roles in that were of...renoun?....were TCM:TB where she played the ****ty blonde who gets killed and apparently she was one of the topless girls in Wedding Crashers.

I suppose I'm saying, "Can she act?" Nothing in her resumé says strong actress. But because she is blonde and has big boobs, she is dream casting? Now I hated GI Joe for the record, but many were pissed that Sienna Miller was cast as Baroness for the same reasons you're complaining about McAdams or Hathaway. But now even people who hated the movie seem to have loved Miller in that role. It isn't that hard to rework someone's image who is attractive into being a seductress when you have hundreds of millions to blow on constuming, if you know what I mean.

I don't care much for this character as reasons stated at the top of the page (for this movie at least). I'm just pitching in because discussing casting is always somewhat fun.

Black Cats character doesn't need a top tier actress thats just giving this character more credit than she deserves. She has always been a character thats purpose is to distract/help Spidey and act as eye candy. Saying she is a deeper character and needs a fantastic actress to portray her would be stretching it.

I liked McAdams by the way its Hathaway that I'm not to fond of (even then I noted that she's a good actress). With that said this character shouldn't be in SM4 she would contribute nothing to this series for a proper send off.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I like Black Cat. If written, cast and used correctly, I think she could be a very cool addition to this series.

Either way, it's not a dealbreaker for me if they use her or not.

 

[DACrowe]

I agree. BC does not offer a fitting conclusion to the Raimi films IMO. I mean we're talking about a movie that could go KLH meets Lizard and we're hearing rumors it is going to be a mix of Superman IV and the Elektra storyline? That just sounds lame, IMO.

But I do like the BC character. However, the way the series has developed, I'm not so fond of using her. If they had planned this and not put Gwen Stacy in SM3, but rather made that character Felicia Hardy and make her a real temptress, so that MJ's suspicions were somewhat justified, it would have made MJ look better and done a nice set-up for SM4. However, they went with wholesome Gwen, so the idea of a new "Other girl," even if this one is a fatale as opposed to another girl next door type, seems off-putting.

But I think the BC character can be written well for a fatale. The early stories she had in the '80s before he revealed he was Spidey to her were playful, somewhat full of innuendo in a 1940s movie kind of way (they were having sex without having to talk about it) and created some interesting stories in that he loved her but would not unmask himself. Recently, since the sexualization of the character and turning her into a crazy-ex, Kevn Smith and Dan Slott restored some humanity to her and made her interesting again before this BND nonsense. KS reenergized her backstory and relationship with Peter and Slott and Mark Millar made her Peter's closest costumed confidant. That is a great angle, but again that would require years of backstory like in the comics to reach that point where she is Peter's unrequieted confidant that MJ doesn't trust.


None of that is accomplishable in a film that should be winding down the stories. However, if she has to be in it, I do think a good actress makes her better. The best fatales, Barbara Stanwyck, Mary Astor, Rita Hayworth, Lauren Becall, Gloria Grahame, Jane Greer, Gene Tierney, Ava Gardner, Kathleen Turner and Kim Basinger were all great actress or at least very good ones who played their parts with allure, sexiness and creativity.

Good actresses make great fatales. Casting a former playboy model (which I found out the Diora girl is) just because of her comic resemblence is silly. All women, including MJ, Elektra, Sue Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Wonder Woman, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn....deep breath...etc. are drawn today in comics with that unbelievable body. Few actresses have it. Of the great fatales I named, only Gardner looked like that. In fact the first two fatales I listed weren't even that physically attractive.

It is how the part is played.

 

[zenith16]

OK I'm confused why are you guys saying spider man "4" is the send off last movie? when they said they are pushing for 9 spider man movies. That was always their goal. I never heard anything about them saying what your suggestin it to be the last.

 

[Spider-Fan]

ha, actually I was ambivalent about the casting of Grace, as Brock was always a weak character and I was open to a new interpretation. I also thought Grace was very good in In Good Company and is a bit underrated or typecast. With that said his Brock was an incredibly weak character in the final product, but that seems more due to a screenplay problem than anything.

With that said is this Diora girl dream casting, really? I looked her up because I had never heard of her before and yeah her images on Google, for the Maxims and FHMs of the world are incredibly hot. But then I checked wikipedia and the only movies she seemed to have roles in that were of...renoun?....were TCM:TB where she played the ****ty blonde who gets killed and apparently she was one of the topless girls in Wedding Crashers.

I suppose I'm saying, "Can she act?" Nothing in her resumé says strong actress. But because she is blonde and has big boobs, she is dream casting? Now I hated GI Joe for the record, but many were pissed that Sienna Miller was cast as Baroness for the same reasons you're complaining about McAdams or Hathaway. But now even people who hated the movie seem to have loved Miller in that role. It isn't that hard to rework someone's image who is attractive into being a seductress when you have hundreds of millions to blow on constuming, if you know what I mean.

Agreed. I don't care about Venom at all, so the changes made to him didn't effect me. But, I still think he was a different case than the case is with Black Cat. The fact we don't have a playboy model doesn't change who the character is in the transition from comic to film, unlike Grace as Brock did. People can say we don't need a good actress for the role, but the thing is a bad actress hurts both performances. Good actress brings chemistry to the screen that will help the film. Bad performances will make Tobey potentially look bad in the film as well as her. There are no small decisions or performances in filmmaking, so the best should always be cast. Plus, as you pointed out, you can make someone look more attractive. It is not that hard. Talent can't be applied by make up or other such techniques. It is a skill that not everyone has, and that is much more important for a film than looks alone.

 

[craigdbfan]

I agree. BC does not offer a fitting conclusion to the Raimi films IMO. I mean we're talking about a movie that could go KLH meets Lizard and we're hearing rumors it is going to be a mix of Superman IV and the Elektra storyline? That just sounds lame, IMO.

But I do like the BC character. However, the way the series has developed, I'm not so fond of using her. If they had planned this and not put Gwen Stacy in SM3, but rather made that character Felicia Hardy and make her a real temptress, so that MJ's suspicions were somewhat justified, it would have made MJ look better and done a nice set-up for SM4. However, they went with wholesome Gwen, so the idea of a new "Other girl," even if this one is a fatale as opposed to another girl next door type, seems off-putting.

But I think the BC character can be written well for a fatale. The early stories she had in the '80s before he revealed he was Spidey to her were playful, somewhat full of innuendo in a 1940s movie kind of way (they were having sex without having to talk about it) and created some interesting stories in that he loved her but would not unmask himself. Recently, since the sexualization of the character and turning her into a crazy-ex, Kevn Smith and Dan Slott restored some humanity to her and made her interesting again before this BND nonsense. KS reenergized her backstory and relationship with Peter and Slott and Mark Millar made her Peter's closest costumed confidant. That is a great angle, but again that would require years of backstory like in the comics to reach that point where she is Peter's unrequieted confidant that MJ doesn't trust.


None of that is accomplishable in a film that should be winding down the stories. However, if she has to be in it, I do think a good actress makes her better. The best fatales, Barbara Stanwyck, Mary Astor, Rita Hayworth, Lauren Becall, Gloria Grahame, Jane Greer, Gene Tierney, Ava Gardner, Kathleen Turner and Kim Basinger were all great actress or at least very good ones who played their parts with allure, sexiness and creativity.

Good actresses make great fatales. Casting a former playboy model (which I found out the Diora girl is) just because of her comic resemblence is silly. All women, including MJ, Elektra, Sue Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Wonder Woman, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn....deep breath...etc. are drawn today in comics with that unbelievable body. Few actresses have it. Of the great fatales I named, only Gardner looked like that. In fact the first two fatales I listed weren't even that physically attractive.

It is how the part is played.

If only we could revive Hayworth in her prime for the role I'd be all for it.

All of the casting rumors that have popped don't really have that same allure as some of the actresses you mentioned though (for the exception of McAdams to a degree).

Like you said BlackCat isn't a bad character its just she doesn't fit in for this film after what happened in SM3.

I was so happy and looking forward to Lizard vs Kraven that sounded good but now all this talk of BC and whatnot is disappointing. Save her for the next Spider-Man series.

This movie needs a villain that will make one last definitive stand that will allow for both himself and Spidey to stand out in their respective heroic/villainous light.

OK I'm confused why are you guys saying spider man "4" is the send off last movie? when they said they are pushing for 9 spider man movies. That was always their goal. I never heard anything about them saying what your suggestin it to be the last.

Of course Sony is going to keep making the Spider-Man movies its that the Raimi series will more than likely be over after this one (he's moving on to his next series; World of Warcraft). The main cast has no intention in returning without Raimi as well.

So you can most likely expect a different director to take the reigns and do whatever Sony and that director see fit (either following the world Raimi created or diverging without any reference that its a "reboot")

 

[zenith16]

I agree with spider fan. I still don't know where this talk about this being the last movie is coming from though. kraven??? I only heared about him once I that thought that would be spidey 5. it was always mystero and Lizard most talked about here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thing is with Lizard and Kraven is the FANS fell in love with that idea and talked about it's awesomeness for 2 years. So now that you realize it is not happening, everyone is disappointed. I think this is more the fault of the fans than the people making the movie. They're not missing an opportunity to make a great film by not using the two of them in SM4. They never fell in love with that idea like the fans did. Fans are not making the movie, and it is not our series to dictate. It is Sony's. I have no idea if the film they're making will turn out well. I hope it does. But, I don't think we have the right to curse out Raimi and Sony for not using the story we all fell in love with.

 

[craigdbfan]

Thing is with Lizard and Kraven is the FANS fell in love with that idea and talked about it's awesomeness for 2 years. So now that you realize it is not happening, everyone is disappointed. I think this is more the fault of the fans than the people making the movie. They're not missing an opportunity to make a great film by not using the two of them in SM4. They never fell in love with that idea like the fans did. Fans are not making the movie, and it is not our series to dictate. It is Sony's. I have no idea if the film they're making will turn out well. I hope it does. But, I don't think we have the right to curse out Raimi and Sony for not using the story we all fell in love with.

They don't even need to use those two but Black Cat certainly isn't a better pick for a standalone villain if thats their plan.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They don't even need to use those two but Black Cat certainly isn't a better for a standalone villain if thats their plan.

Reports all suggest Black Cat is not a stand alone villain. and I would imagine she is the 2nd villain or a loose villain/ally. The main villain seems to look like Vulture (he has the most evidence to back up right now anyway), so we need not worry about her being a stand alone villain.

 

[zenith16]

why is it so hard to use the Scorpion? just use the same tech that was used for doc oc's arm's and make a tale. it's simple. shessh. mysterio and illusions are easy they don't need fish bowl just use a mirrored face plate. he'll mostly disguise him self any way.

 

[craigdbfan]

Reports all suggest Black Cat is not a stand alone villain. and I would imagine she is the 2nd villain or a loose villain/ally. The main villain seems to look like Vulture (he has the most evidence to back up right now anyway), so we need not worry about her being a stand alone villain.

Well I guess its to early to judge exactly but if this turns out to be another Spidey film that will circle the entire film around several love interest ditching Spider-Man over Peter Parker, it'll be such a waste.

Hope they can bring that balance they found in SM2.

 

[zenith16]

To me spider man and peter parker are interchangeable the thing that appealed to me about spider man and certain x-men characters( well a good lot of them) were them dealing with problems in their personal lives as well, along with their hero career. it's why I was able to relate to them that and the fact they were the younger heroes. stuff got dumped on them. as I said up top they should make things easier on themselves and add in scorpion with mysterio.

 

[zeptron]

Since when has Black Cat ever been a villain anyway? The most villainous thing she's done is breaking her dying father out of prison so he could die at home. At her worst, she's an anti-hero. At her best, I would consider her a hero.

 

[DACrowe]

BC actually would have worked well in SM2. But SM2 worked better without her. If you played the video game you could have seen the strength and perhaps made it so instead of MJ getting kidnapped, Doc Ock hurt her like in the comics. But SM2, despite using the kidnapped story, worked better as Peter Parker's journey.

SM3 was too crowded and could have lost someone (Venom or Sandman) and after the events of SM3, I just think the tone has changed. If it was Felicia instead of Gwen it would work. maybe. But it's not.

 

[JackMercy]

OK I'm confused why are you guys saying spider man "4" is the send off last movie? when they said they are pushing for 9 spider man movies. That was always their goal. I never heard anything about them saying what your suggesting it to be the last.

Pardon me for going a bit off-topic here to offer my opinion on zenith's inquiry.

It is likely, nay...nearly official in some circles, that Raimi and co. will leave the franchise after No. 4, which is already being being viewed by many in the industry as basically a bit of 'mea culpa' for the last film.

[However, there's nothing to say that Raimi might not consider another, if bowled over by critical and commerical success; or he may be willing to return one day, even decades later...akin to George Miller's interest in returning to Mad Max in recent years...]

Beginning post-4, a new team and cast will likely take over (perhaps with Vanderbilt's script(s), which Sony is very keen on), with a new direction, a la Batman Forever (don't get antsy, I'm talking merely in common comparisons, not tone and absolutes). I'm not quite sure it will be a reboot w/a redone origin, etc. My understanding is that Sony just wants to continue with "further adventures." Think of it like James Bond or Doctor Who, if you're at all familiar -- different actors take over through the years, but almost all have been playing the same being (though each adds unique personality "ticks").

Nine films? Sony's original announcements mentioned at least six in this current incarnation...but if the wall-crawler keeps rolling in the dough like he has been, I would pretty much guarantee that you will be seeing Spidey films for the foreseeable future...

In my estimation, there are only two current absolutes in blockbuster superhero adaptations: there will always be Spider-Man movies in development, just as there will always be Batman pictures in preparation or under consideration...

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Since when has Black Cat ever been a villain anyway? The most villainous thing she's done is breaking her dying father out of prison so he could die at home. At her worst, she's an anti-hero. At her best, I would consider her a hero.

Right on. I'm surprised that people are viewing Black Cat's possible inclusion as a villain choice, when she isn't technically even a villain but one of Spider-Man's allies.

 

[webhead731]

Hey, has anyone thought that these new women their looking at may just be Betty replacements? Elizabeth Banks said she'd only come back with more screentime.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Hey, has anyone thought that these new women their looking at may just be Betty replacements? Elizabeth Banks said she'd only come back with more screentime.

^
It's already been revealed that the character all the women were trying for is for Valeria.Valeria is Vulture's daughter in the comics...

 

[webhead731]

Sorry, but when was that confirmed? I'm all over Spider-Man 4 news and haven't seen it...

 

[bullets]

^
It's already been revealed that the character all the women were trying for is for Valeria.Valeria is Vulture's daughter in the comics...

Sounds like good news , i hope it's true .

 

[Carlo Comicus]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/11/2...book-casting-rumor-but-not-the-one-you-think/

 

[omid17]

so far all these inside source are pretty much bulls***

 

[filmguy619]

Brittany Snow should play the Black Cat. She has the appearance, and could pull off the sexiness and the *****iness of the character.

Elisha Cuthbert's not a bad choice, but I don't want her playing the Black Cat

Rachel McAdams is too cute to pull that sexiness off

I love Eliza Dushku, but I think her being the Black Cat may be too much.

and I like Anne Hathaway and Diora Baird as an actress, but the Black Cat is a bit out of their range.