Official DD Thread

[Harlekin]

'Amazing', 'new'? Not only has Daredevil already taken over a criminal organisation before and used it for good/but still failed, it's really about time he gets a bit of a break. He's practically been non-stop mental breakdown since the beginning of the latest Daredevil run, which is nearly ten years our time. You can only read so long about a guy being kicked while he's down.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Most times Id agree, but the last run in DD was really fantastic. I could have gone on a little longer. Its hard to argue that it was or wasnt good timing cause the story is still interesting.

 

[RockSP]

? Not only has Daredevil already taken over a criminal organisation before

When did that happen?

 

[kguillou]

He sorta took over as the kingpin of hell's kitchen but they never went anywhere with it. I think this is a much better angle though. When DD was "kingpin", he really wasnt in control of anything. He only claimed he was kingpin because he had beaten Fisk. This time though, DD is literally the leader of a massive army of ninjas, whom are at his command.

I do agree that DD does need a break though. The poor guy's been through complete hell and then some for the last decade. The problem though is that they've placed DD in the same corner that they placed Spiderman during Civil War. DD is not a "public" type of hero like Cap or Ironman. DD needs to have a secret identity just like Spiderman. But now that everyone knows his i.d., he'll never have peace because everyone will be exploiting that weakness. So as long as DD's id is public, i dont really see how he can get a break.

 

[RockSP]

He sorta took over as the kingpin of hell's kitchen but they never went anywhere with it.

Yeah I know about that. I figured he was talking about something else since like you said that was never really anything.

DD is not a "public" type of hero like Cap or Ironman. DD needs to have a secret identity just like Spiderman.

Wasn't that long ago that Cap and Iron Man had secret id's too...

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that DD had his identity go public before Cap or Iron Man too (or around the same time) so that argument doesn't make much sense.

And yeah, while DD's life does seem to be a constant downward spiral, to be fair this Hand situation doesn't really have much to do with his identity being outed. He did kind of have a break after Brubaker's first year when Vanessa Fisk fixed everything for him. And honestly, that story with Mr. Fear was probably the weakest since Bendis took over.

So yeah, I dont mind when DD's life is on the edge, he's usually at his best when he's on the verge of losing it.

 

[Harlekin]

True, Matt's being the Kingpin was quite underdeveloped, but we did see parts of it and we saw him turning things around for Hell's Kitchen. It wasn't till the Yakuza came in that things went awry. That and the return of the real Kingpin of course.

Thing is, I love Matt being on the edge just as much as the next guy. Let's face it, that's been his dominant character trait since Miller: writers just pile on the problems for him. Thing is, I'd just appreciate a little more of a break. Even the Mr. Fear storyline, which I liked (went on a little too long) ended up pushing him further to the brink by messing with Mia.

By the by, his identity is somewhat secret again. There's suspicion, obviously, but 'officially', he's been cleared.

 

[kguillou]

'Officially' yeah, but everyone knows he's DD, especially his enemies. Kingpin knows it, Mr Fear knows it, bulleseye knows it, the Owl knows it. I dont think he'll realistically be able to catch a break as long as his enemies have that weakness to exploit. His personal life will constantly be in danger. It didnt work for Spiderman and I dont think it'll work for DD.

 

[mre]

If they ever make DD's ID a secret again, it would be the worst mistake ever.

 

[kguillou]

I agree, i hope they never pull a 'one more day' for DD. But you have to admit he's sorta in a corner right now with all his enemies knowing his identity. His life can never return to normalcy now.

The only option I see for DD is if he becomes an absolute symbol of fear for his enemies so that none of them will mess with him or his loved ones.

 

[Harlekin]

Which would ruin the character. It's time to give him some softer edges again. Go any darker with Daredevil and Marvel's liable to go just a little bit too far.

Sufficient doubt has been created among his enemies about his true identity. Only Mr. Fear is one to look out for, really. The Kingpin and Bullseye have known for years.

 

[kguillou]

I agree. I love it when characters are pushed to the brink every once in a while but this is really getting excessive. I'm almost expecting DD to start murdering people now as he's been doing some radical things lately. Although i can't lie, i love how DD paralyzed the Owl using a sword. It was a little much, but sometimes you gotta show these scum a little tough love.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Well, DD has murdered people in the past. Didn't he kill all the folks involves with his dad's death?

 

[Harlekin]

DD doesn't willingly kill, that I do know.

 

[kguillou]

He did?!!

 

[lucky13]

DD doesn't willingly kill, that I do know.

Did you read Daredevil #501?

 

[kguillou]

What happened in 501? I didnt get to read it yet.

 

[lucky13]

At the end he personally killed Izo in order to become the official leader of The Hand.

 

[kguillou]

Wow, there must be a twist though, it probably wasnt what it seemed. I refuse to believe DD's fell that far.

 

[Texas]

At the end he personally killed Izo in order to become the official leader of The Hand.

I thought Izo wanted DD to lead the HAND so they would be turned to a force for good

 

[lucky13]

That is what he wanted, but The Hand demanded Izo as a sacrifice. If he didn't kill Izo, he would not lead The Hand. You can't expect a group of assassins to be lead by someone who's never killed.

 

[kguillou]

Wait a minute...isn't Izo immortal?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

He did?!!

Yeah, he did. And very willingly I might add. Unless it was retconned out, which I dont think it was. In fact, I think DD mentioned it in Brubaker's run, when he thought Foggy was dead. Matt was talking to a ghost of his father who was trying to convince him not to destroy everyone in prison. Matt replied with something like "What do you think I did to the people who killed you?"

However, I think he immediately regretted it and hasnt really killed anyone since. The story I read it in was sometime before Miller's run, in the issue that Ben Urich finds out his identity.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Wait a minute...isn't Izo immortal?

Izo is thousands of years old, but that doesn't mean he can't be killed.

Of course, that could be the twist. I liked that while any reader would immediately be skeptical about Izo dying, Diggle doesn't really leave any clues to say it wasn't the case. And DD killing is not something completely out of question, so, you know, we'll see.

 

[Harlekin]

Did you read Daredevil #501?

Yes, I did. Total fake-out.