Official: Gotham City Sirens directed by David Ayer - Part 1

[pixen]

A part of me feels like this movie should just be scrapped in favor of a Mad Love/Batman: Harley Quinn adaption.

Why? It's been done before, in the animated series, and it was handled really well. The chance of it being better in live action would be so low and it'd be retreading something. Let's see these 3 characters in a film and show how interesting they can be together.

 

[katara]

Why? It's been done before, in the animated series, and it was handled really well. The chance of it being better in live action would be so low and it'd be retreading something. Let's see these 3 characters in a film and show how interesting they can be together.

You make a good point. Maybe not necessarily a B:HQ or ML adaptation but a Harley origin movie. What they gave us in SS was....not cohesive. I'll just say that lol.

I think maybe if GCS was set in the past it would work a lot better. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is, I CAN NOT see Selina teaming up with the accomplice to the murder of Robin. Very OOC. Especially if she already knows Batman when it kicks off. Not only that but being CLOSEST to her, as she was in the comics. Just no.

I think that for this to work Paul Dini should be a consultant on the project. He created this concept and imo has a handle on all three characters in a way that no one at DC film (or dc in general *ahem*) seems to. I would say Bruce Timm too but his recent choices for Harley in his animated movie have been strange at best.

 

[pixen]

You make a good point. Maybe not necessarily a B:HQ or ML adaptation but a Harley origin movie. What they gave us in SS was....not cohesive. I'll just say that lol.

I think maybe if GCS was set in the past it would work a lot better. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is, I CAN NOT see Selina teaming up with the accomplice to the murder of Robin. Very OOC. Especially if she already knows Batman when it kicks off. Not only that but being CLOSEST to her, as she was in the comics. Just no.

I think that for this to work Paul Dini should be a consultant on the project. He created this concept and imo has a handle on all three characters in a way that no one at DC film (or dc in general *ahem*) seems to. I would say Bruce Timm too but his recent choices for Harley in his animated movie have been strange at best.

I think you are tying a lot of things that happened in the comics and think that's how it'll be in the films. We don't know for sure about Harley being an accomplice to his Robin's death (though maybe it was in a headline in SS?). We don't know what sort of Catwoman or Poison Ivy we will get. We don't know how their dynamic will work or what will come from the comics and what will be different.

Look at the Gotham Girls animated show, it had a really fun dynamic. I think if Dini did come onto this project, it'd be best to look at that as a nice jumping off point while mixing in the more serious side from the comics. Dini's work on Maleficent wasn't great though...

 

[katara]

I think you are tying a lot of things that happened in the comics and think that's how it'll be in the films. We don't know for sure about Harley being an accomplice to his Robin's death (though maybe it was in a headline in SS?). We don't know what sort of Catwoman or Poison Ivy we will get. We don't know how their dynamic will work or what will come from the comics and what will be different.

Look at the Gotham Girls animated show, it had a really fun dynamic. I think if Dini did come onto this project, it'd be best to look at that as a nice jumping off point while mixing in the more serious side from the comics. Dini's work on Maleficent wasn't great though...

Yes we do know that Harley was an accomplice to his death. It was literally written on screen in SS "Harley Quinn: accomplice to robin's death".

My point still stands.

 

[pixen]

Yes we do know that Harley was an accomplice to his death. It was literally written on screen in SS "Harley Quinn: accomplice to robin's death".

My point still stands.

Okay... But you are still assuming Catwoman/Selina is going to be written as a love interest for Batman, or if she's even straddling that grey line like she usually does in the comics. You have no idea what context she'll have in this world so your point isn't proof that Catwoman would never hang around Harley. She very well could be a villain of the Bat Family.

 

[Wildcard]

Yes we do know that Harley was an accomplice to his death. It was literally written on screen in SS "Harley Quinn: accomplice to robin's death".

My point still stands.

This still makes no sense as to why Ayer chose to do this. He stated out his own mouth that as far as he was concerned, the Robin incident was how Joker got his teeth smashed out and went to Arkham (again) to subsequently meet Harley. So, if that's the case, how could she be an accomplice when they hadn't even met yet?

I know I'm nitpicking but I'll never understand Ayer's logic with that.

 

[katara]

This still makes no sense as to why Ayer chose to do this. He stated out his own mouth that as far as he was concerned, the Robin incident was how Joker got his teeth smashed out and went to Arkham (again) to subsequently meet Harley. So, if that's the case, how could she be an accomplice when they hadn't even met yet?

I know I'm nitpicking but I'll never understand Ayer's logic with that.

I think Ayer decided that an internet fan theory is cooler than his original story, so he applied it after the fact without care for continuity.

 

[Wildcard]

I think Ayer decided that an internet fan theory is cooler than his original story, so he applied it after the fact without care for continuity.

That's exactly what it seems like. One night he's browsing through articles and comes across it and weaves it into his work.

 

[katara]

This isn't the thread to wank about Suicide Squad but Ayer's ability to create a sequence of scenes that are cohesive is seriously lacking. Big time.

 

[Wildcard]

That's what has me worried about GCS. SS is fun and I love it in spite of its flaws, but GCS needs to be a better movie. I'd say maybe the script will give him all he needs but they hired someone who wrote a movie that scored a 0% across RT, and I just can't get over that. A bad screenwriter and a hit/miss director is a terrible combo.

 

[katara]

That's what has me worried about GCS. SS is fun and I love it in spite of its flaws, but GCS needs to be a better movie. I'd say maybe the script will give him all he needs but they hired someone who wrote a movie that scored a 0% across RT, and I just can't get over that. A bad screenwriter and a hit/miss director is a terrible combo.

Suicide Squad had some good stand alone scenes for me (joker/harley rescue scene primarily) but there was too many that simply made no sense together.

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Such as; Why would Amanda Waller "employ" Harley Quinn if she's such a crazy/unpredictable character that tops even The Joker? And why would they say that Harley was more fearless than him than in the same exact scene have her screaming in terror? Why would Deadshot not shoot Harley for abandoning him during her escape when she said she'd include him? Why would The Joker tell Harley to get away from him and then that same night have a chemical wedding?

I think the only reason that this is even being made is because Margot Robbie asked for it. Plain and simple. I have no faith in the project unless Paul Dini himself wrote it. He's the only one that I trust over there at this point with these characters, after Bruce Timm's bizarre choices in BM & HQ. Smh.

 

[pixen]

They are making it because Harley was one of the few good things in the Suicide Squad movie.

 

[katara]

They are making it because Harley was one of the few good things in the Suicide Squad movie.

Allegedly. David doesn't understand her character imo.

 

[pixen]

Allegedly. David doesn't understand her character imo.

She was the one take away from the film that the general audience loved. Was she perfect and 100% accurate to the comic? No, but the general audience doesn't care about that.

 

[David H.]

She was the one take away from the film that the general audience loved. Was she perfect and 100% accurate to the comic? No, but the general audience doesn't care about that.

One aspect of that movie rising above the rest isn't exactly a difficult task.

Robbie was good, certainly could be a better version of Harley, but Ayer isn't attuned to what that character needs to be fully developed. I maintain that he's better at writing male characters.

 

[idiot09]

Harley Quinn's popularity has skyrocketed, and she has become a pop culture icon after Suicide Squad. Haloween was crazy last year. I'm not complaining.

 

[pixen]

One aspect of that movie rising above the rest isn't exactly a difficult task.

Robbie was good, certainly could be a better version of Harley, but Ayer isn't attuned to what that character needs to be fully developed. I maintain that he's better at writing male characters.

He isn't writing this though.

 

[Wildcard]

Yeah, we have someone who can't even get a 1% on RT writing the movie. Meaning it's even less safe than if it were in Ayer's hands.

And I agree about Harley Quinn. They've really butchered her character a lot. Every time I watch TAS I sigh and think about how much they've unnecessarily sexualized the character.

Hard to buy the whole "obsessed with Joker" thing if she's flirting and hooking up with almost everything in sight.

 

[katara]

Hard to buy the whole "obsessed with Joker" thing if she's flirting and hooking up with almost everything in sight.

Is she even obsessed with him in the DCEU? It looked more like he was obsessed with her. Harley apparently cared less about The Joker than her "friends" on the squad, even though they just met.

 

[Wildcard]

Is she even obsessed with him in the DCEU? It looked more like he was obsessed with her. Harley apparently cared less about The Joker than her "friends" on the squad, even though they just met.

I was speaking more in general...largely in regards to how the character has been handled over the years in the comics. Either way, it's a stretch to say Harley cared more about the Squad than Joker. Based on what we saw, that definitely wasn't true.

 

[katara]

I was speaking more in general...largely in regards to how the character has been handled over the years in the comics. Either way, it's a stretch to say Harley cared more about the Squad than Joker. Based on what we saw, that definitely wasn't true.

It sure seemed like it to me in the ending fight scene with The Enchantress. She'd rather kill her and not take up her offer to get The Joker back because she "messed with her friends".

 

[pixen]

The writer having past movies that sucked could be a bad sign but it could be that she didn't care about those ones. Yes, it's harder to believe in but there's always a chance that this could be something the writer actually wants to work on and not something they were forced to be on.

 

[Mz. Hyde]

That's what has me worried about GCS. SS is fun and I love it in spite of its flaws, but GCS needs to be a better movie. I'd say maybe the script will give him all he needs but they hired someone who wrote a movie that scored a 0% across RT, and I just can't get over that. A bad screenwriter and a hit/miss director is a terrible combo.

Which movie was that?

 

[katara]

The writer having past movies that sucked could be a bad sign but it could be that she didn't care about those ones. Yes, it's harder to believe in but there's always a chance that this could be something the writer actually wants to work on and not something they were forced to be on.

David Ayer wanted to work on Suicide Squad, pushed for it and looked how that turned out.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I hated Suicide Squad, but I still see David Ayer as an interesting and competent filmmaker. If this flick sucks, I think Ayer needs go back to working on original projects.