Official Green Lantern Casting and Discussion Thread

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It's not about anyone being a bad or good character...I like the concept of the Green Lanterns, but Hal is the Alpha Dog as far as I'm concerned....and apparently Warner Bros. agrees with me....
 
...so if Kyle Rayner is such a fantastic character, why did DC Comics decide to bring back Hal Jordan?? Why not have Kyle Rayner be the torchbearer for the GL and the rebuilding of the GL Corps??

Why are they bringing back Barry Allen?
 
I'd be ok with John Stewart as it'd be nice to have an African-American superhero star in a big action film....if it was Kyle, that sound you hear would be me not caring and finding something else to watch....
 
Kyle may have been the only GL but he didn't do anything new that a GL couldn't do before.....

Wally took the mantle of The Flash (and pardon the pun) ran with it....the whole Speed Force thing and the legacy of the speedsters...Wally always measured himself against Barry and did his best to try and exceed that legacy....that and over time, he became faster than Barry....I think his top speed is just south of the speed of light....
 
Well, his ring was impervious to yellow. At the time of his debut, that was a big thing for a GL :hehe:
 
Kyle may have been the only GL but he didn't do anything new that a GL couldn't do before.....

Kyle was the only GL for most of his career.

His personality was completely different from all the previous Earth GL's.

He was DC's main rookie hero.

Wally took the mantle of The Flash (and pardon the pun) ran with it....the whole Speed Force thing and the legacy of the speedsters...Wally always measured himself against Barry and did his best to try and exceed that legacy....that and over time, he became faster than Barry....I think his top speed is just south of the speed of light....

Kyle did the same thing with Hal in GL.
 
yea Ganthet basically said "take it...do what you want"....Kyle did nothing close to what Wally did....he was the FNG for quite a bit.....
 
yea Ganthet basically said "take it...do what you want"....

Which paid off big time.

Kyle did nothing close to what Wally did....he was the FNG for quite a bit.....

That was the point. He was a rookie.

Kyle didn't have Hal to mentor him, no experience in the super-hero business, no training yet he still managed to be a great hero.
 
Kyle was adequate....but you're never going to convince Hal Jordan fans (myself included) that Kyle is the better hero....nor will you convince Kyle Rayner fans that there are other human GLs that are worthwhile....
 
Kyle was adequate....

Kyle had to be more then adequate or the comic would have been canceled soon after Hal left.

but you're never going to convince Hal Jordan fans (myself included) that Kyle is the better hero....
I'm sure some Hal fans like Kyle.

Who the better hero is comes down to opinion, not fact.
nor will you convince Kyle Rayner fans that there are other human GLs that are worthwhile....
You're talking to one.
 
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an unemployed artist with daddy issues is actual characterization?? the whole point of super heroes is that they are a fantasy of people we'd like to be....I never wanted to be Kyle Rayner
 
an unemployed artist with daddy issues is actual characterization??
not just daddy issues, mom issues, gf issues, all kinds of fun issues. i like hal okay, but he's just a flat superman clone to me. he was alot of fun as paralax and turning paralax into a bug remains on the top 5 worst comics choices ever list imo
 
an unemployed artist with daddy issues is actual characterization??

It was more relevant then Hal at the time period.

There was more to Kyle then that, too.
the whole point of super heroes is that they are a fantasy of people we'd like to be....I never wanted to be Kyle Rayner

That doesn't make him a bad character. It just means you have different taste in super-heroes then Kyle fans.

Do you like Spider-man?
 
It's not necessarily that I want to be Kyle Rayner as much as I am Kyle Rayner, so to speak. I feel like he is what I would be like if I got in that situation. I think that's why a lot of people like Kyle. Hal Jordan is what my dad would be like if he got a ring.
 
It's not necessarily that I want to be Kyle Rayner as much as I am Kyle Rayner, so to speak. I feel like he is what I would be like if I got in that situation. I think that's why a lot of people like Kyle. Hal Jordan is what my dad would be like if he got a ring.
exactly
 
It's not necessarily that I want to be Kyle Rayner as much as I am Kyle Rayner, so to speak. I feel like he is what I would be like if I got in that situation. I think that's why a lot of people like Kyle. Hal Jordan is what my dad would be like if he got a ring.

That makes sense.

Hal is from an older generation while Kyle was made for the present one.
 
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Sam Jaeger. It makes sense. If Berlanti is gonna do this then it makes him even more likely. This guy has all the Hal mannerisms and not the most recent Eli Stone but the one before that showed his stuff.
 
Not sure why this suddenly became a "Kyle versus Hal" thing. It's not even an important question. Hal is number one by pure popularity anyway; it's just a question of whether or not Kyle also gets the recognition he deserves.

I knew you would point to Harvey Dent but its not a proper comparison.

Harvey Dent was allowed to be built and destroyed in one film because the other characters didn't have to be. Bruce and Gordon were established in the first film, the Joker was established in the first scene and needed no further explanation.
Nonsense. You can build more than one character in a film.

With Hal Jordan you are going to need to dedicate the first act to building Hal, the second act building Hal the Lantern and the third act is Hal saving the day.
And you can do this while doing the necessary work with Sinestro, too.

No reason to blow your load in film one - especially when Green Lantern doesn't have Batman's rogue gallery.
Indeed; and having Sinestro fall in the third act does not constitute "blowing your load." It's just good sense: you never know what happens with a sequel, so make the movie count. I'd hate to see the franchise canned or the filmmakers replaced by Bret Ratner while having foregone Sinestro for the sake of Legion.

I should be clear: I understand the desire to have this broken up over two films. That's fair. I just refute that it's required.

I don't mean that as a slight. It's just not a very rich history. Not like a test pilot with the right stuff who was chosen by his successor and is an enemy with his teacher?
What is more rich about a test pilot with "the right stuff" as opposed to an average person suddenly flung into a world way over his head with most powerful weapon in the universe and a responsibility to perform the duties of 3600 people? What is more rich about being selected by a predecessor as opposed to being thrown into the deep end by a little blue alien who needs to protect the legacy of the Green Lanterns, regardless of the cost to the individual burdened with it?


...so if Kyle Rayner is such a fantastic character, why did DC Comics decide to bring back Hal Jordan?? Why not have Kyle Rayner be the torchbearer for the GL and the rebuilding of the GL Corps??
Because people like Hal. You give the people what they want. This doesn't say anything about the quality of Rayner. Hell, Hal got canned plenty of times, too. Incidentally, they also want Kyle, which is why he still has his own book (co-starring with Gardner, admittedly).

an unemployed artist with daddy issues is actual characterization?? the whole point of super heroes is that they are a fantasy of people we'd like to be....I never wanted to be Kyle Rayner
Superheroes don't have a unifying "point." The purpose of each is unique. Most generally, they are often used to illustrate human conflicts. The idea that a hero needs to be someone you'd want to be is ridiculous.
 
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