Official Green Lantern Casting and Discussion Thread

[Saint]

I disagree that everything is about sales.

Blade hasn't been a hit on the direct market but his concept was good enough to work in film.

I don't understand your comparison. How does Blade going to film relate to my comments about how sales relate to Kyle Rayner's lack of a monthly title?

 

[The Major]

I don't understand your comparison. How does Blade going to film relate to my comments about how sales relate to Kyle Rayner's lack of a monthly title?

I'm saying Kyle's sales don't matter since his concept should be good enough to transfer to film even without them.

 

[Saint]

I'm saying Kyle's sales don't matter since his concept should be good enough to transfer to film even without them.

Ah. Well, my comments weren't about the film, but the comic book industry and why Kyle presently being title-less isn't a matter of quality.

 

[The Major]

Ah. Well, my comments weren't about the film, but the comic book industry and why Kyle presently being title-less isn't a matter of quality.

Okay.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Kyle may have been the only GL but he didn't do anything new that a GL couldn't do before.....

Wally took the mantle of The Flash (and pardon the pun) ran with it....the whole Speed Force thing and the legacy of the speedsters...Wally always measured himself against Barry and did his best to try and exceed that legacy....that and over time, he became faster than Barry....I think his top speed is just south of the speed of light....

wrong.

Barry was always faster than Wally except maybe in Mark Waid's run, which is understandable cuz Waid hates Barry Allen. Barry has always been able to go faster than the speed of light at ease and is faster than Wally, Barry's able to move 10 times faster than the speed of lihght with some slight straining, and went even faster in COIE. Barry Allen has always been the fastest Flash. And now he's back.

Long live Barry Allen, the one, true Flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

have to appease the kyle fans....all 25 of them.....they are extremely vocal though so it seems like a lot moret:

lol!

 

[BlackLantern]

but in Crisis he had the aid of the Cosmic Treadmill thing....I'm just going off things I read in the late nineties and early this decade...I remember a conversation between Jay Garrick and Wally about how Wally taps into the Speed Force differently from everyone else.....I've always viewed The Flash as a mantle more so than it being defined by one guy....

 

[Kevin Smith]

Hal only became an icon because WB has used him more in animation then Kyle.

That isn't true at all. Hal became an icon because he was GL the longest (33 + years), and it was with him the whole sci fi take on GL that has endured to this very day was introduced.

Stewart was used more then Kyle, as well.

Kyle was really only used once in animation and that was in an episode of JLU. Kyle on Superman: TAS is Hal Jordan in just about everything except for name and job.

But I don't think this makes Kyle unable to get to their level. He just needs his time to shine with he public like they have.

Kyle won't ever be as iconic as Hal for obvious reasons, but I think he could certainly become as well known as Hal or John, he just needs the exposure. I'd be cool with seeing more of Kyle. Hell, even Guy Gardner is on the new Batman: the Brave and the Bold cartoon. There's room for all the GLs, just like with The Flash. Everybody wins, we can all read our favorites. (Barry Allen FTW!) :-D

Though John Stewart did fine without it in JL.

But that was because: A) they gave him a lot of Hal's story elements, and B) the show wasn't primarily about him. I see your point tho.

Hal is a good introduction to GL, I agree, but the franchise has more to offer the public then him. Once he's got everything established and enough time has passed to do his best Kyle can take over to take the franchise in a new direction.

Absolutely. That's the great thing about having multiple versions of one particular character that are continuations of one another, they can tell stories for years, when they've used one for a while, they can switch 'em up, and keep building and adding on with the other characters, all the more reason why someone like hal needs to be established first, being the foundation of the GL mythos. Like the Star Trek series. This is my same view with The Flash, Captain America and the other legacy characters.

 

[Kevin Smith]

but in Crisis he had the aid of the Cosmic Treadmill thing....I'm just going off things I read in the late nineties and early this decade...I remember a conversation between Jay Garrick and Wally about how Wally taps into the Speed Force differently from everyone else.....I've always viewed The Flash as a mantle more so than it being defined by one guy....

Read Final Crisis. And The Flash has been mainly defined by Barry (his story elements, his suit, etc). He's the iconic/greatest Flash.

 

[BlackLantern]

Read Final Crisis. And The Flash has been mainly defined by Barry (his story elements, his suit, etc). He's the iconic/greatest Flash.

I know...

Spoiler

I just read Rogues Revenge #3 where Captain Cold and the rest of them are basically told, by Libra, that The Flash they all first battled is returning, and Cold knows the score on that...I know that Wally is going to get a new costume and identity post Flash Rebirth so he will be around

 

[Saint]

wrong.

Barry was always faster than Wally except maybe in Mark Waid's run, which is understandable cuz Waid hates Barry Allen. Barry has always been able to go faster than the speed of light at ease and is faster than Wally, Barry's able to move 10 times faster than the speed of lihght with some slight straining, and went even faster in COIE. Barry Allen has always been the fastest Flash. And now he's back.

Long live Barry Allen, the one, true Flash.

I was under the impression that they had retconned out some of Barry's more ridiculous speeds so that Wally, at his fastest, was faster than Barry. Do you know if that's accurate or not?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Even as a Hal fan myself, I have to say I detect a smug, snotty attitude from Hal's supporters towards Kyle and his fans on this thread, the kind of attitude that only serves to aggrivate the antagonism between the two factions of fans.

It seems like there's this mutual resentment between the two groups: Hal fans resent Kyle for being shoved down their throats while their favorite was devalued and forced out of the spotlight, and vice versa for the Kyle fans. It's a shame there has to be so much conflict over it. Both are good characters, and each have their strengths and individual qualities, and recent years have shown that both can co-exist quite peacefully in the DC Universe. Yet the arguments over who's better seem to get so heated and personal for some reason.

To be fair, Kyle fans have got it nowhere near as bad as Hal fans had.

 

[hippie_hunter]

And personally I think that the Flash in the Flash movie should be Barry Allen. It would seem weird to have a Green Lantern movie with Hal, a Batman movie with Bruce, a Captain Marvel movie with Billy, and a Flash movie with Wally.

Also Barry will be the star of the Flash reboot and is starting to get more exposure just like Hal is beginning with the Batman and Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

 

[RAMORE]

What's the argument here? Who should be in the movie? It should be Hal he's the classic modern GL (alan scott withstanding). Then Kyle can come 3 movies later

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Jensen Ackles for Hal Jordan. Most will deride his acting ability. But, in the last Supernatural episode. He was explaining what happened to him in hell. And he really showed some acting chops. Plus, he has the look of Jordan...

 

[The Major]

To be fair, Kyle fans have got it nowhere near as bad as Hal fans had.

The Kyle fans don't have it as good, either.

Kyle was never in a supporting character in a famous tv show (even Stewart was able to do that), the one time he was on tv he was a Hal clone, have an A list writer and artists give him a definitive run in the comics or have his own serious movie in development.

 

[The Major]

And personally I think that the Flash in the Flash movie should be Barry Allen. It would seem weird to have a Green Lantern movie with Hal, a Batman movie with Bruce, a Captain Marvel movie with Billy, and a Flash movie with Wally.

GL and Flash aren't restricted to one character unlike those heroes. Their legacies produced characters which could work just as well in movies as their Silver Age counter-parts.

Though technically all of these characters are legacies. Batman and Captain Marvel weren't just Bruce or Billy in the comics.

Also Barry will be the star of the Flash reboot and is starting to get more exposure just like Hal is beginning with the Batman and Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

So what? If it was Wally or Jay doing that would you expect them to get a movie instead?

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Kyle fans don't have it as good, either.

Kyle was never in a supporting character in a famous tv show (even Stewart was able to do that), the one time he was on tv he was a Hal clone, have an A list writer and artists give him a definitive run in the comics or have his own serious movie in development.

While Kyle fans never had their character have as much exposure as Hal, they didn't have to endure their character turn into an actual villain and get killed and not have an active role in the DCU until his return.

The only problem Kyle fans have to face is the fact that Geoff Johns really has no appreciation for him.

 

[Saint]

While Kyle fans never had their character have as much exposure as Hal, they didn't have to endure their character turn into an actual villain and get killed and not have an active role in the DCU until his return.

The only problem Kyle fans have to face is the fact that Geoff Johns really has no appreciation for him.

Did he say that somewhere? People say that's his attitude, but I don't know. His treatment in the books seems to indicate differently. Johns handles him well. But then, Johns handles everybody well. He's comic book Jesus.

 

[The Major]

While Kyle fans never had their character have as much exposure as Hal,

Which is a pretty big deal for a character to have.

they didn't have to endure their character turn into an actual villain

Kyle got possessed by Parallax in Sinestro Corps. War.

Parallax wasn't a standard villain in the DCU, either. It actually made Hal have more depth as a character and he wasn't a caricature like Kyle was. He was DC's Magneto, Kyle became Carnage.

Despite being a villain Kyle had a similar relationship with Hal's legacy like Wally did with Barry. Hal's shadow was always over the series. He was Kyle's role model in how to become the best GL he could be, even when they were fighting each other.

and get killed

True, Kyle hasn't been killed. But that didn't end Hal's existence within the DCU. He's got some good mini-series and appearances when he was a GL and as Spectre he got his own solo series (something Kyle wasn't able to when he was no longer the lead in GL) and appeared in big titles like JLA.

Not bad for a dead guy.

He went out like a hero in a big event, as well.

Were the situation reversed I doubt Kyle would get that equal treatment now Hal's back.

and not have an active role in the DCU until his return.

While Hal could do that even while dead or a villain.

The only problem Kyle fans have to face is the fact that Geoff Johns really has no appreciation for him.

No, Kyle fans had to face the other problems above and Johns not being appreciative of him.

You didn't bring up the fact Kyle has never had a Johns' and high profile artists for long runs. That's a huge benefit for any book to have in their corner.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Jensen Ackles for Hal Jordan. Most will deride his acting ability. But, in the last Supernatural episode. He was explaining what happened to him in hell. And he really showed some acting chops. Plus, he has the look of Jordan...

He doesnt really. He's better suited for Barry Allen.

 

[Double Down]

^ That's true.

 

[Lobo]

I disagree he's more suited to Hal then Barry IMO.

 

[Steelsheen]

i've been a little out of the loop this past few weeks, but this GL movie is still about Hal Jordan right?

 

[I Am The Knight]

i've been a little out of the loop this past few weeks, but this GL movie is still about Hal Jordan right?

Yes.