Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 3

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah, this is important stuff to remember. Also, it really blows that JLA has become so completely irrelevant. I hate to say this so soon after it's last major reboot, but they need a relaunch, Avengers-style. A-list creators, big stories.

Put Morrison back on it. Put Morrison on everything!

I second this so much. JLA has been disappointing. I heard that they were going to use Wally there but for some reason they couldnt. So instead of Dick/Wally/Donna/Kara/etc, we got an ape and a smurf.

The art is horrible as well btw. I really cant stand it.

 

[Marvin]

Is Geoff Johns writing Green Lantern Corps or Emerald Warriors? Is Green Lantern Corps or Emerald Warriors important to the DCU universe at large?

Kyle's books tanked because he didn't get the backing of editorial. And also, JLA and Superman weren't irrelevent at the time. Batman wasn't in his own little corner.

Do you understand how the comic book industry works? It's pretty simple...

Green Lantern is now the CENTRE of the DCU. Books that are the centre of a universe, where all the big stories happen, sell better.

Back then those books were JLA, Superman and Batman.

These days it's Green Lantern and Flash.

It's been a couple of years since I stopped reading, but darn. I had no idea this was the case. Johns really has done something special here.

in 5 years time Superman and Batman may be the new Hal and Barry.

I mean, saying "GL sells more than GLC, because of Hal!" is poor science.

fanboy science

 

[Mr. Earle]

So you don't think that all the Hal Fans who freaked out and never bought another GL book for a decade wouldn't mind not having him around? You think that the new fans he's won wouldn't buy the mag?


You're saying that the sales wouldn't drop to GL Corps levels? Because Johns the man who doesn't know how to write Kyle, according to some, isn't writing GL Corps? Even though he's the editor and overall story writer for the mag?


I wonder what the difference is? Oh yeah. Hal Jordan.

Geoff.... dont you have to start writing the new Aquaman book? Get off the internet and get on that. I'm really excited for it, dont mess it up.

Don't patronize me, son. I was reading comics when you were a gleam in your momma's eyes.


I suppose the thirty years of Hal that happened before Kyle means nothing? When you look at it Kyle's time in the sun was no more important than John Stewart's and barely more than Guy Gardner. The real power behind the franchise is Hal Jordan. So suck it up and quit being so myopic.

And what do you mean Kyle didn't have the backing of editorial? Marz had free reign and Kyle was featured in Morrison and Waid's runs on JLA. Seems like he had all the backing he needed.


Problem was that people didn't want to see a solo book about Peter Parker with a power ring. They wanted the test pilot with the history.

This post:
Dont patronize me, i ll patronize you.

Kyle is just another GL. Hal is awesome because i say so. He is the bestest superhero there is. I loves him with all my love. Suck it up.

 

[Marvin]

I second this so much. JLA has been disappointing. I heard that they were going to use Wally there but for some reason they couldnt. So instead of Dick/Wally/Donna/Kara/etc, we got an ape and a smurf.

The art is horrible as well btw. I really cant stand it.

JLA needs Mark Millar
hate him or hate him.

 

[The Morningstar]

Don't patronize me, son. I was reading comics when you were a gleam in your momma's eyes.


I suppose the thirty years of Hal that happened before Kyle means nothing? When you look at it Kyle's time in the sun was no more important than John Stewart's and barely more than Guy Gardner. The real power behind the franchise is Hal Jordan. So suck it up and quit being so myopic.

And what do you mean Kyle didn't have the backing of editorial? Marz had free reign and Kyle was featured in Morrison and Waid's runs on JLA. Seems like he had all the backing he needed.


Problem was that people didn't want to see a solo book about Peter Parker with a power ring. They wanted the test pilot with the history.

Well you was being patronizing to me. But i apologize.

The thirty years of Hal before Kyle didn't exactly set the world alight in terms of sales. How many times did GL get cancelled and relaunched? Even pairing him up with Green Arrow at one point because he couldn't hold a title on his own...

And Kyle didn't get the editorial backing. Was Kyle's solo GL book the centrepiece to the entire DCU with an A-List writer like Hal's book is now? Did the big DCU event books revolve around Kyle's solo GL book like they do with Hal's solo GL book now?

At the time of Kyle's solo GL book was the JLA featuring a bunch of B-Listers and written by someone who is clearly not an A-List writer?

At the time of Kyle's solo GL book was Superman stuck in a complete rut with no direction?

The simple fact of the matter is, Hal Jordan's solo book is now THE book of the DCU, due to editorial mandate. Books that are the centrepiece to a universe sell no matter what. For someone who has been reading comics for as long as you say I would have thought you'd understand this.

 

[dnno1]

This is exactly how i feel.

But... the yellow space bug relieving Jordan of all blame isn't redemption. It's throwing redemption out of the window. It's just going "Oh hey, wasn't his fault"

Redemption is a matter of perception. The reader didn't know about the yellow space bug, but only saw Jordan doing those things. He was seen as being guilty of crimes across the universe. The revelation of the fact that there was a yellow bug controlling his action actually alleviates Jordan of the crimes (and hence the redemption by definition). Now that we do know of this, it is the characters who are unaware in the story that will have to perceive the redemption.

 

[solidsnake86]

There trying to streamline the flash and not have so much baggage. More likely than not it was a corporate decision to bring Barry back because trying to make a movie with Wally was proving to difficult. Now I know what the next responses to my post will be but the reality of the situation is Barry has a more simplified origin and frankly is a lot easier to tell. Some of the logic in this thread is just ridiculous, my favourite comments have to be when people talk about the third film or next trilogy if that some sort of guarantee, if this movie does average we will be lucky to even get a sequel.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The thing about Wally is that like Dick Grayson being a superhero is his whole life. He is a superhero since childhood. Its who he is. I'd have loved to see a Flash film that starts with Barry and Wally as Kid Flash and ends with Wally taking the mantle, but hey i'm a sucker for legacy characters like him, Dick or Bucky.

Rumor has it that they were (or still are) planning a Barry film that will be dark and will focus a lot on the CSI aspect of crimes with Barry using his speed and forensic skills to solve them. But its going to be grimdark, like a Batman or Question story.

"HUR DUR TDK MADE A BILLION BUCKS. GRIMDARK EVERYWHERE."

I wonder what did Johns have to go through to convince them to make a GL movie like the Ironman ones? Just imagine Hal in a black rubber suit brooding in the shadows. "My father is deeeeeeaaaaaaad!"

 

[HighFivingMF]

Rumor has it that they were (or still are) planning a Barry film that will be dark and will focus a lot on the CSI aspect of crimes with Barry using his speed and forensic skills to solve them. But its going to be grimdark, like a Batman or Question story.

"HUR DUR TDK MADE A BILLION BUCKS. GRIMDARK EVERYWHERE."

I wonder what did Johns have to go through to convince them to make a GL movie like the Ironman ones? Just imagine Hal in a black rubber suit brooding in the shadows. "My father is deeeeeeaaaaaaad!"

That rumor sprung from the writers saying it would have a CSI aspect like Se7en and Silence of the Lambs did. People took that and ran with it, assuming it meant "It's going to be Silence of the Lambs with a superhero." They're not going to take Flash of all people and try emulating Dark Knight.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Then why would they reference those movies instead of CSI:Miami or whatever? Horatio is basically Batman after all.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Then why would they reference those movies instead of CSI:Miami or whatever? Horatio is basically Batman after all.

Would you rather reference something tonally different or something stupid?

 

[protocida]

Oh, look, it's THAT discussion again...

 

[Saint]

And what do you mean Kyle didn't have the backing of editorial? Marz had free reign and Kyle was featured in Morrison and Waid's runs on JLA. Seems like he had all the backing he needed.

If you won't even acknowledge that Hal currently enjoys far superior editorial push, better placement, and higher profile talent than Kyle had, so as to inform a sales comparison, then it's obvious that you don't actually want to discuss this like an adult, and it would be pointless to drag it out any further.

I leave you to your fanboy hate ravings, sir.

 

[BigThor]

Oh, look, it's THAT discussion again...

Yep

 

[JamalYIgle]

If you won't even acknowledge that Hal currently enjoys far superior editorial push, better placement, and higher profile talent than Kyle had, so as to inform a sales comparison, then it's obvious that you don't actually want to discuss this like an adult, and it would be pointless to drag it out any further.

I leave you to your fanboy hate ravings, sir.

I've been trying to stay out of this particular argument but you guys have your facts wrong.

Kyle's book wasn't cancelled because of low sales. The book was cancelled because they wanted to Bring back the Green Lantern Cops and Hal Jordan.
Kyle's book also had a huge editorial push for the majority of it's 10 year run.Kyle had top flight talent attached to his series as well, myself being one of those people.
GL is a pillar of DC's editorial efforts but no more important than Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, the Flash and Aquaman.
And no you can't argue this with me because, well, I was there. I knew the editors, I know Ron Marz and Judd Winnick. I've worked on GL and GLC off and on over the last 16 years.

 

[RoughNTumble]

good job on zatanna 11 jamal, sweet issue

 

[The Morningstar]

I've been trying to stay out of this particular argument but you guys have your facts wrong.

Kyle's book wasn't cancelled because of low sales. The book was cancelled because they wanted to Bring back the Green Lantern Cops and Hal Jordan.
Kyle's book also had a huge editorial push for the majority of it's 10 year run.Kyle had top flight talent attached to his series as well, myself being one of those people.
GL is a pillar of DC's editorial efforts but no more important than Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, the Flash and Aquaman.
And no you can't argue this with me because, well, I was there. I knew the editors, I know Ron Marz and Judd Winnick. I've worked on GL and GLC off and on over the last 16 years.

Well, look man, no disrespect, but it's pretty clear.

Did Kyle's book be the centrepiece to numerous events that effected the DCU as a whole?

JLA is completely irrelevent and is filled with a bunch of B and C-Listers, if that. Superman has probably never been as irrelevent and directionless as it is now.

When Kyle had his solo the same cannot be said. JLA and Superman and Batman were THE books of the DCU.

These days Hal Jordan's Green Lantern and Barry Allen's Flash are THE books of the DCU. Sure Batman is selling high and doing great, but he's over in his own little corner.

And the idea that Kyle's book got canned because of some editorial mandate is more disturbing than it getting cancelled because of sales.

 

[RoughNTumble]

nah, morrison's batman and johns' green lantern are the biggest, best things at DC right now. flash might be in a couple years, but it's been suffering from delays, and it needs time to build up, like GL did.

 

[The Morningstar]

Well yea ok, Batman instead of Flash.

But the point still remains, GL sells so well now because editorial wanted it to. Same way Marvels editorial wants Avengers to sell so well.

The vast majority of comic book readers buy things based on importance to the universe and they also follow writers.

Kyle's Green Lantern had no big cross over events revolving around it. Hal's does. Kyle's Green Lantern was not the centrepiece of the DCU. Hal's is.

I'm not even a fan of Kyle, so there is no bias here. But I can see with my own two eyes and to deny that Hal's book hasn't had a bigger editorial push than Kyle's book is just... absurd.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I don't think just because a comic book hasn't been used for a cross over that it didn't have a big editorial push. As Jamal said, there were top flight talent attached to the series.

 

[The Morningstar]

Event books sell and books that are important to the universe sell, no matter what. Kyle's book might have had good writers and artists, but it wasn't important to the DCU at large like Hal's book is.

 

[Octoberist]

Geoff Johns' run with Hal is probably one of the strongese aspects of DC today. I know there are Kyle fans out there, but they are kinda small and as the years go by, they might be forgotten. Which is..common in comic books throughout the years I'd bet.

 

[The Morningstar]

They weren't small though. As revealed, his book didn't get canned because of low sales... it got canned for a editorial mandate.

And Hal was never a big seller until Johns came along and Editorial pushed him. Throughout his years he got cancelled and relaunched numerous times. They even paired him with Green Arrow because he couldn't sustain his own solo title.

I'm not even a fan of Kyle. But you're attitude is kind of obnoxious and misplaced.

Geoff Johns' Green Lantern, as it is today, the main book of the DCU, as mandated by editorial, would be a top seller weither it was Hal, Kyle, John, Guy or some newly created character called Barnaby.

 

[JAK®]

"The only reason it was popular was because it was good"

 

[The Morningstar]

"The only reason it was popular was because it was good"

That's not how the comic industry works.

"The biggest reason it's popular is because it's relevent"

Fixed it for you.