Iron Man 3 Official rate & review IRON MAN 3 thread!

[antonydelfini]

You can tell AIM's story entirely without Killian and you can't just say "regardless of what happened in The Avengers" Because it suits your desire to remove anything remotely like the comics from these films.

The Avengers happened, it changed things, there's consequences.

If they absolutely MUST use Killian then he should've been The Mandarins puppet. ******** by Stark in 1999 he decides to sell his inventions to the highest bidder. From this he funds AIM. Mandarin then abducts Killian and uses him to obtain Extremis and instead of fake executing the Roxxon CEO, he real executes Killian (the only guy who could reverse the effects of Extremis) on national T.V.

Now you've got a threatening Mandarin who has his hands on Extremis. Tony feels responsible because he (unknowingly) allowed Killian to lose his way. And he's the only other guy who can reverse Extremis so the Mandarin has even more reason to target Stark.

You've got your mandarin, Killian, AIM, Brainslot. No Roxxon, but it wouldn't be necessary.

That's a great plot UltraNolanite, but I prefer Shane's story. The twist added another dimension to the film and helped emphasize the film's themes. To some, the twist is a middle finger to Mandarin fans, but to some, it's a plot development that further establishes the movie's themes and makes it bolder and riskier than your usual superhero movies.

 

[jmc]

The conundrum that is Iron Man 3.

I can't recall another mainstream movie in recent memory that has divided people so sharply as this one. The divide is bitter and frankly the arguments being thrown around either defending or attacking the film are bordering on childish on occasion. The fact is the film isn't what was promised it was going to be and if it was shock treatment Marvel was going for then I can only doff my cap to them and say well played because they blindsided everyone. In a bid to curb the increasing venomous rhetoric from both sides I think it's important to lay out what it is people are defending.

Case for the affirmative - Loving the surprise.

The general argument in favour of the depiction of the Mandarin character is that the interpretation is a deconstruction of what the supervillain is. A valid point. It's been no secret people have had issues with bringing the character of The Mandarin to life, so what better character to use as a distraction for the real mastermind than one that is difficult to adapt? There's also the case of the plot twist working in the context of the story, for without it there's is no deconstruction and most importantly no surprise. There's the case of The Mandarin is actually in the film, but Killian is the real Mandarin. An interpretation that can be found. There is also the argument that Marvel has finally stepped out of its comfort zone, another valid point, up until this film Marvel's solo movies virtually tiptoed their way to Avengers trying to ensure nothing fell, this is the first time they've thrown a genuine curve ball at us.

Case for the negative -A case of feeling misled.

Even the most staunch person who sits in the affirmative will see why people are pissed given the way the film was marketed. Some fans feel cheated, or at best be on the fence as to what to think of the movie. An understandable reaction. They argue Marvel was misleading them and that most films that aren't what they seem don't tend to be as extreme as Iron Man 3. But the issues stem from more than simply feeling misled, there is the argument that in spite of the twist working in context it doesn't actually do anything to enhance the film. A strong case can be built around that it's a weak execution in spite of its intentions. There's also the question of whether this type of movie should be subject to such intentions. Lastly, and this is probably the underlying foundation of the debate - people simply wanted a genuine villain for Iron Man, they longed for the arch nemesis, they thought they had one, but they didn't get it.

No one is really right or wrong in this situation, basically it comes down to a feeling, do you think Marvel misled you? That is a perfectly acceptable response. It doesn't make you a whiny fanboy for feeling let down. Do you think it was a brilliant piece of deception? An equally valid response, because in many ways it was. The great irony in all of this is that something that looked like it would be memorable in fact will be, but not for the reasons many of us predicted. I don't think anyone is going to remember who the actual villain was in this movie 5 years down the line, but they will remember the twist they didn't see coming.

 

[cherokeesam]

I'm not going to go into details about my dislike of the Mandarin. I did that here http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25767065&postcount=652

Here I'll just nitpick all the other things I didn't like about this movie. I say nitpick because these are small things that I didn't like but which as a whole, made the movie less than enjoyable for me.

1) Pretty much everything dealing w/ the military.

Spoiler

Soldiers being scapegoated as terrorist

. As a ex-soldier I didn't like that aspect at all. It really didn't make sense once Tony went to Tennesse.

Spoiler

so Tony meets with the mother of one of the terrorist and no one in his Platoon came forward to refute these allegations? Then the mother has this classified file? lol, that's ridiculous. Even if it was declassified how in the world would she get ahold of it if he was a known terrorist? Then there's the attack on Tony's house. lol, where was the Airforce? They already established in the first film that F/18s could be launched in seconds when Tony first started flying around in his suit. They somehow never show up. Umm ok. I guess we the audience are too stupid to know that the President of the United States would be the most protected person on the planet but no one bothers to confirm that Rhodey is in the Iron Patriot suit. There's no F/18s escorting Airforce One.

last small rant about the military is that I've been to Ali -Al Salem a few times and there's no Kids and family members there. There's no Braves out on manuvers lol. That whole sequence and explanation was dumb.

2) The other IM movies set the bar for establishing the MCU. Ironman is now an A-list character and basically the face of the movie franchise which Spidey once held. Because they've established S.H.I.E.L.D so much in the other films it really didn't make sense why they wouldn't be in this film. They could have easily tied Captain America in with the Iron Patriot somehow and gave him a little cameo. I really think that they dropped the ball w/ changing the Mandarin because he could have been a major player in a villian team-up in later MCU movies. Why couldn't he be locked away in one of SHIELD's prisons which could have set up nicely for a "The Leader" reveal or something? Also having

Spoiler

AIM

in the movie was a waste. Killian's company really could have been called anything. At least the Cap movie set up Hydra in the MCU.

Good points about the military, even if they're nitpicks. Hollywood, as usual, doesn't bother to do much research into such matters. It's enough for them to feel clever by namedropping an actual Afghan airbase into the script.

Spoiler

Yeah, AIM was wasted as well. No longer are they an offshoot of Hydra. No longer are they a big criminal organization in their own right. Now they're just a company made by one guy a dozen years ago and since he's dead they are probably defunct as well.

Spoiler

How do you know AIM isn't backed by HYDRA...? They could've gone underground after WWII and been hiding in shadows this whole time. Also, MCU AIM isn't a company; it's a think tank. Don't know why everyone keeps insisting that Killian is a "greedy businessman" and AIM is his "company" --- he's a scientist who runs a think tank that depends on grants and sponsorship to survive.

I don't think you read my post.. I have no dog in this fight haha. Apologies for name calling.

edit: wait a minute, me and Sam are on the same page? What is this world coming to?

That happens quite a lot, actually. That's because I don't agree/disagree with individual posters, I agree/disagree with individual arguments. There's plenty of times I'm vigorously defending the same guy in one thread that I'm practically in a flamewar with in another thread.

 

[strikezone89]

Is anyone concerned that the avengers two, will be focused on Tony building another suit Or needing a reason to build another suit? Since at the end of the movie it seems that he destroyed all of the suits

 

[terry78]

Is anyone concerned that the avengers two, will be focused on Tony building another suit Or needing a reason to build another suit? Since at the end of the movie it seems that he destroyed all of the suits

He just said he doesn't need them to be a hero. He'll still make some more, just not so many and obsessively.

 

[Ipodman]

I think he'll get a real Extremis suit...

 

[ElMariachi]

That concept is a bit dated in the MCU though with all of Stark Enterprises clean energy stuff... I don't think Roxxon oil is going to feel like much of a threat.

I always found them more interesting as a Namor villain and why Namor hates the surface world so much

Thats true but we still really haven't seen Tony develop much else besides perfecting his suits. I think it would be cool to see him develop a futuristic fuel efficient car or cheaper arc reactor home technology. Something that brings him into conflict with rival energy companies. You could use Ghost and Spymaster here as industrial spies too. I've always thought this storyline had potential for the movies.

It would make alot of sense to use them as Namor villain too. I'm just unsure if we will ever see Namor in a solo movie or how he can fit in the MCU.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Seen it twice....brilliant!!!! 9/10

 

[ElMariachi]

From now on, every morning when I wake up I will thank God that you are not Marvel' script writer.

With someone like you, we would have never got such a fantastic Avengers film with Thor, Loki, Tesseract, Chitauris, the sceptre, Leviathans, Thanos etc.

Dude, you aren't hearing what I'm saying. Keep that stuff in Avengers, GOTG, Dr. Strange, and Thor. By featuring it in Iron Man and Captain America, it completely takes away from other franchises. It undermines the point of the Avengers dealing with cosmic threats.

I understand the difference between fantasy technology and fantasy.

I say that Mandarin's rings are fantasy technology. You don't. That's it.

You are entitled to have your own opinion, of course, but you act like your opinion is the only truth. For me, flying armour parts and an extremis virus that makes you breath fire are on the same level of fantasy technology as are alien rings that can control minds and shoot ice. For you, they aren't. Fine.

But you seem to think that almost everyone thinks the same way about all of this as you do. I doubt that. It would be interesting to make a poll among moviegoers if they think that fire breathing scientists are less fantastic and magical than mind controlling rings. I bet you would lose.

I'm not saying my opinion is the truth at all. I just don't think you can effectively portray 'magical' rings as science in an Iron Man movie. The Rainbow Bridge was said to be science as well but alot more on the fantasy side of things. Using a giant sword as a key to operate a golden lightning orb. Iron Man films are relatively grounded. Flying armor isn't really that shocking in the context of the Iron Man movies. Or even in real life with the development of drone technology. Fire breathing, I'll grant you, isn't grounded. But you don't want to overload the movie with it. At least there was a basis for the fire stuff with Extremis. Where would the basis for the rings be found? Some guy finds a bunch of shiny, all powerful rings in a crashed spaceship? Boy, that sounds pretty close to Green Lantern. I'll pass on this and save it for Avengers 2 or 3. You don't want the Ten Rings to steal the thunder from the Infinity Gauntlet. Or Loki's magical staff for that matter.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

A solid 8 from me. Thoroughly entertaining movie, to start with. I wasn't bored at any point, which is always a good start.

I felt like this movie took a few risks to try and be as creative as it could within the constraints of a) superhero movies in general and b) the MCU thing always being there. I personally feel the risks FAR outweight the negatives. Particularly as this is the fourth time we've seen Iron Man on screen, they could have been by the numbers, generic stuff.

They took Tony out of his element and made him the hero rather than the suits, which means more tension for the action scenes. With him struggling, being stressed, and having to use his wits and intelligence more made for more involving action scenes IMO. And that's where lots of sequels fail.

The stuff with the kid could have been generic father figure stuff, but they made Tony more of a reluctant buddy type, sarcastic, slightly dickish. But he put it right in the end. Which made it more enjoyable to watch in my opinion.

The Mandarin stuff...well I avoided all spoilers and marketing stuff, and it's only due to knowing comics that I even know who he is. Like all of Iron Man's villains he is C-list at best. Again, they could have just went with generic "I'm a bad guy, fight me, hero!", but they went somewhere challenging, something unusual in this type of film. The close comparison is Batman Begins, but then I always felt that Ras was always the bad guy, whereas "the Mandarin" was set up as a patsy by the real villain. Serious risky move, but it was entertaining to the cinema I was in.

Very importantly, Tony saves Pepper early on. But they took the generic "female love interest dies to increase the drama" move and flipped it on us. Normally I would be annoyed that the hero isn't the one to finish off the villain, but Tony had already survived a LOT of stuff in this more, more than most superhero films, and switching the love interest move and involving her directly in defeating the villain is a much more rewarding thing for superhero films in general.

Having the story focussed on Tony was good. One of the biggest complaints about IM2 was that it was basically sacrificed on the altar of the Avengers. The overall project worked out thanks to this work, but IM2 suffered as a movie because it was about setting up Avengers as much as anything. This one was closing the Tony Stark loop, which made it a better watch.

Overall, it was quite a good movie. I have a series of nitpicks, some things I'd perhaps want fixed, but I think the guys who made this one tried to make a threequel that justified itself as something other than making more money from a franchise and I personally felt that largely they did so.

Btw, people aren't seriously complaining about a lack of M.O.D.O.K, right? That floating brain guy? I admit to having a small hope of seeing Fin Fang Foom, but only due to being an ultra nerd.

 

[Hypestyle]

I appreciated more of the humor involved with this film.
I liked the extended sequences of Tony without the armor, winging it.
-- I thought that no interaction/reaction from Harley's mom was a little odd (where does she work again?) I was expecting Tony to meet and flirt with her or something..

was Ellen Brandt from the comics?

I'm glad that Rhodey got to have some action, especially in the climax-- of course, he still doesn't get a love interest yet, besides the bromance with Tony.. Rhodey should be getting a promotion after the rescue. Maybe now he'll be an O-6?

I wonder if President Ellis will show up again in a future film? Wow, Miguel Ferrer as the VP, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't expecting Rebecca Hall to die so abruptly-- wow.

The "Mandarin" reveal was classic! At first I was expecting that Killian literally was the Mandarin due to some kind of body-morph. But this was an intriguing, satirical touch. I'm sure there are folks who feel "cheated", but IMO, if the Mandarin "brand" has already been promoted for 10 years or so in Marvel-time, there's always room for a copycat to start up mayhem based on the name-- and next time it could involve some kind of nanotech-powered rings or jewelry-sized weapons.

So did Tony totally remove the Extremis virus from Pepper? I was expecting her to get her own arc reactor implant to "keep it in check".

Also, as Tony finally removes all the shrapnel fragments from his body, did he end up removing the arc reactor? is that what he threw into the ocean?

Does Jarvis exist anymore? What's to be done with the remainder of the Malibu compound?

 

[terry78]

In the latest Captain Marvel apparently Carol has a thing for Rhodey, so who knows what they may do with that.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I have to say my favorite actions scenes in the movie are Tony without his armor....or only part of it

 

[kedrell]

Ew. What is Superman Returns doing hiding in there? Shoo! Shoo! I'd watch Iron Man 2 five times in a row before watching that piece of garbage again.

I chalk it up to nostalgia.

 

[Pickle-El]

The conundrum that is Iron Man 3.

I can't recall another mainstream movie in recent memory that has divided people so sharply as this one. The divide is bitter and frankly the arguments being thrown around either defending or attacking the film are bordering on childish on occasion. The fact is the film isn't what was promised it was going to be and if it was shock treatment Marvel was going for then I can only doff my cap to them and say well played because they blindsided everyone. In a bid to curb the increasing venomous rhetoric from both sides I think it's important to lay out what it is people are defending.

Case for the affirmative - Loving the surprise.

The general argument in favour of the depiction of the Mandarin character is that the interpretation is a deconstruction of what the supervillain is. A valid point. It's been no secret people have had issues with bringing the character of The Mandarin to life, so what better character to use as a distraction for the real mastermind than one that is difficult to adapt? There's also the case of the plot twist working in the context of the story, for without it there's is no deconstruction and most importantly no surprise. There's the case of The Mandarin is actually in the film, but Killian is the real Mandarin. An interpretation that can be found. There is also the argument that Marvel has finally stepped out of its comfort zone, another valid point, up until this film Marvel's solo movies virtually tiptoed their way to Avengers trying to ensure nothing fell, this is the first time they've thrown a genuine curve ball at us.

Case for the negative -A case of feeling misled.

Even the most staunch person who sits in the affirmative will see why people are pissed given the way the film was marketed. Some fans feel cheated, or at best be on the fence as to what to think of the movie. An understandable reaction. They argue Marvel was misleading them and that most films that aren't what they seem don't tend to be as extreme as Iron Man 3. But the issues stem from more than simply feeling misled, there is the argument that in spite of the twist working in context it doesn't actually do anything to enhance the film. A strong case can be built around that it's a weak execution in spite of its intentions. There's also the question of whether this type of movie should be subject to such intentions. Lastly, and this is probably the underlying foundation of the debate - people simply wanted a genuine villain for Iron Man, they longed for the arch nemesis, they thought they had one, but they didn't get it.

No one is really right or wrong in this situation, basically it comes down to a feeling, do you think Marvel misled you? That is a perfectly acceptable response. It doesn't make you a whiny fanboy for feeling let down. Do you think it was a brilliant piece of deception? An equally valid response, because in many ways it was. The great irony in all of this is that something that looked like it would be memorable in fact will be, but not for the reasons many of us predicted. I don't think anyone is going to remember who the actual villain was in this movie 5 years down the line, but they will remember the twist they didn't see coming.

Well said.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

The whole shrapnel thing felt like Rogue taking the cure in X3.

It just took Tony's "curse and blessing" and destroyed it. They didn't explain if it was just a heart doctor or extremis he took. I would have been happy if he took Extremis to heal himself and instead of a blue reactor in his chest, we see a glow-y red one at the end.

I feel like the reason they un-made Tony Stark is because RDJ wants to quit the role soon and they're tying up loose ends.

The Mandarin thing, eh, it was hilarious. I read the spoilers but I didn't realize Kingsley would play such a hilarious character.

And I do not believe Killian was the Mandarin. When he said " I AM the Mandarin!" he means, he's responsible for what "The Mandarin" has done, so in effect he IS him. But he's not the Mandarin in the same way Liam Neeson was Ra's Al Ghul.

 

[Raiden]

A solid 8 from me. Thoroughly entertaining movie, to start with. I wasn't bored at any point, which is always a good start.

I felt like this movie took a few risks to try and be as creative as it could within the constraints of a) superhero movies in general and b) the MCU thing always being there. I personally feel the risks FAR outweight the negatives. Particularly as this is the fourth time we've seen Iron Man on screen, they could have been by the numbers, generic stuff.

They took Tony out of his element and made him the hero rather than the suits, which means more tension for the action scenes. With him struggling, being stressed, and having to use his wits and intelligence more made for more involving action scenes IMO. And that's where lots of sequels fail.

The stuff with the kid could have been generic father figure stuff, but they made Tony more of a reluctant buddy type, sarcastic, slightly dickish. But he put it right in the end. Which made it more enjoyable to watch in my opinion.

The Mandarin stuff...well I avoided all spoilers and marketing stuff, and it's only due to knowing comics that I even know who he is. Like all of Iron Man's villains he is C-list at best. Again, they could have just went with generic "I'm a bad guy, fight me, hero!", but they went somewhere challenging, something unusual in this type of film. The close comparison is Batman Begins, but then I always felt that Ras was always the bad guy, whereas "the Mandarin" was set up as a patsy by the real villain. Serious risky move, but it was entertaining to the cinema I was in.

Very importantly, Tony saves Pepper early on. But they took the generic "female love interest dies to increase the drama" move and flipped it on us. Normally I would be annoyed that the hero isn't the one to finish off the villain, but Tony had already survived a LOT of stuff in this more, more than most superhero films, and switching the love interest move and involving her directly in defeating the villain is a much more rewarding thing for superhero films in general.

Having the story focussed on Tony was good. One of the biggest complaints about IM2 was that it was basically sacrificed on the altar of the Avengers. The overall project worked out thanks to this work, but IM2 suffered as a movie because it was about setting up Avengers as much as anything. This one was closing the Tony Stark loop, which made it a better watch.

Overall, it was quite a good movie. I have a series of nitpicks, some things I'd perhaps want fixed, but I think the guys who made this one tried to make a threequel that justified itself as something other than making more money from a franchise and I personally felt that largely they did so.

Btw, people aren't seriously complaining about a lack of M.O.D.O.K, right? That floating brain guy? I admit to having a small hope of seeing Fin Fang Foom, but only due to being an ultra nerd.

Thanks, that is exactly how I felt. I also love the fact that it was Pepper who finished the fight at the end, and another proof that this movie was trying to give us something unconventional from other superhero movies.

 

[cherokeesam]

I think he'll get a real Extremis suit...

Shabingo.
I'll bet 100 Internet Dollars that the Extremis suit in all its glory appears in Avengers 2.

The whole shrapnel thing felt like Rogue taking the cure in X3.

It just took Tony's "curse and blessing" and destroyed it. They didn't explain if it was just a heart doctor or extremis he took.

Spoiler

No, but it was strongly implied that he did. He says he "fixed" Pepper, and then said, "Why stop there?"

And I do not believe Killian was the Mandarin. When he said " I AM the Mandarin!" he means, he's responsible for what "The Mandarin" has done, so in effect he IS him. But he's not the Mandarin in the same way Liam Neeson was Ra's Al Ghul.

Spoiler

Killian *is* The Mandarin. There's technically no such person, but Killian is the one who invented him to cover up the 'sploding soldiers as fake terrorist acts.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Dude, you aren't hearing what I'm saying. Keep that stuff in Avengers, GOTG, Dr. Strange, and Thor. By featuring it in Iron Man and Captain America, it completely takes away from other franchises. It undermines the point of the Avengers dealing with cosmic threats.

I heard what you said.

You said: "I will also state right now that I think that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Avengers 2 is a very bad idea."

So my point is valid.

 

[divan]

The conundrum that is Iron Man 3.

I can't recall another mainstream movie in recent memory that has divided people so sharply as this one. The divide is bitter and frankly the arguments being thrown around either defending or attacking the film are bordering on childish on occasion. The fact is the film isn't what was promised it was going to be and if it was shock treatment Marvel was going for then I can only doff my cap to them and say well played because they blindsided everyone. In a bid to curb the increasing venomous rhetoric from both sides I think it's important to lay out what it is people are defending.

Case for the affirmative - Loving the surprise.

The general argument in favour of the depiction of the Mandarin character is that the interpretation is a deconstruction of what the supervillain is. A valid point. It's been no secret people have had issues with bringing the character of The Mandarin to life, so what better character to use as a distraction for the real mastermind than one that is difficult to adapt? There's also the case of the plot twist working in the context of the story, for without it there's is no deconstruction and most importantly no surprise. There's the case of The Mandarin is actually in the film, but Killian is the real Mandarin. An interpretation that can be found. There is also the argument that Marvel has finally stepped out of its comfort zone, another valid point, up until this film Marvel's solo movies virtually tiptoed their way to Avengers trying to ensure nothing fell, this is the first time they've thrown a genuine curve ball at us.

Case for the negative -A case of feeling misled.

Even the most staunch person who sits in the affirmative will see why people are pissed given the way the film was marketed. Some fans feel cheated, or at best be on the fence as to what to think of the movie. An understandable reaction. They argue Marvel was misleading them and that most films that aren't what they seem don't tend to be as extreme as Iron Man 3. But the issues stem from more than simply feeling misled, there is the argument that in spite of the twist working in context it doesn't actually do anything to enhance the film. A strong case can be built around that it's a weak execution in spite of its intentions. There's also the question of whether this type of movie should be subject to such intentions. Lastly, and this is probably the underlying foundation of the debate - people simply wanted a genuine villain for Iron Man, they longed for the arch nemesis, they thought they had one, but they didn't get it.

No one is really right or wrong in this situation, basically it comes down to a feeling, do you think Marvel misled you? That is a perfectly acceptable response. It doesn't make you a whiny fanboy for feeling let down. Do you think it was a brilliant piece of deception? An equally valid response, because in many ways it was. The great irony in all of this is that something that looked like it would be memorable in fact will be, but not for the reasons many of us predicted. I don't think anyone is going to remember who the actual villain was in this movie 5 years down the line, but they will remember the twist they didn't see coming.

A truly great post JMC. I agree with everything you said and you perfectly summarized the feelings of both defenders and detractors of this movie. Very logical, I think this is the best conclusion I've red about this film.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Shabingo.
I'll bet 100 Internet Dollars that the Extremis suit in all its glory appears in Avengers 2.

Spoiler

No, but it was strongly implied that he did. He says he "fixed" Pepper, and then said, "Why stop there?"

Spoiler

Killian *is* The Mandarin. There's technically no such person, but Killian is the one who invented him to cover up the 'sploding soldiers as fake terrorist acts.

There's a good analogy I saw. [BLACKOUT]He's the Mandarin as my parents were Santa Claus when I was a kid. The character doesn't exist, but they pretend he does and do the work in his name. So I could say "My mom was Santa Claus" and it'd still work as a sentence, it's true. But my mom is not REALLY Santa Claus! You know? So Killian was the Mandarin metaphorically, not literally. His colleagues wouldn't actually call him the Mandarin ever. It's the character he's responsible for. It's like a manager of a Pizza Hut going through a power trip saying "I AM Pizza Hut!"[/BLACKOUT]

And ykno I'm so fine with the twist it worked well IMO. The end end however, not so pleased. Well not the end end end...post credits. That was good.

 

[MLSkinner]

Dude, you aren't hearing what I'm saying. Keep that stuff in Avengers, GOTG, Dr. Strange, and Thor. By featuring it in Iron Man and Captain America, it completely takes away from other franchises. It undermines the point of the Avengers dealing with cosmic threats.



I'm not saying my opinion is the truth at all. I just don't think you can effectively portray 'magical' rings as science in an Iron Man movie. The Rainbow Bridge was said to be science as well but alot more on the fantasy side of things. Using a giant sword as a key to operate a golden lightning orb. Iron Man films are relatively grounded. Flying armor isn't really that shocking in the context of the Iron Man movies. Or even in real life with the development of drone technology. Fire breathing, I'll grant you, isn't grounded. But you don't want to overload the movie with it. At least there was a basis for the fire stuff with Extremis. Where would the basis for the rings be found? Some guy finds a bunch of shiny, all powerful rings in a crashed spaceship? Boy, that sounds pretty close to Green Lantern. I'll pass on this and save it for Avengers 2 or 3. You don't want the Ten Rings to steal the thunder from the Infinity Gauntlet. Or Loki's magical staff for that matter.

He wouldn't of had to tell Stark how he got the rings. Save that for our "the audiences" imagination. The technology and power of the rings would indeed work as long as when the infinity gauntlet appears, it's more powerful and on a universal scale. Fiege and Black missed an opportunity to have a hero/villain fight to blow all others out of the water...and squandered it. The Mandarin using the rings to pummel Stark in the second act leading to Stark using Extremis on himself for the massive 3rd act battle would've made this film epic. imo of course.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

They really could have magical stuff, especially after Avengers. They talk about aliens and wormholes and Thor in this movie. It's not like we don't all know, ykno?? And we know in Captain America, the alien tech has been around since the 40s at least. Why not have the TEN RINGS a defection from HYDRA that grew into a terrorist organization.

 

[MLSkinner]

They really could have magical stuff, especially after Avengers. They talk about aliens and wormholes and Thor in this movie. It's not like we don't all know, ykno?? And we know in Captain America, the alien tech has been around since the 40s at least. Why not have the TEN RINGS a defection from HYDRA that grew into a terrorist organization.

I agree. wasted opportunity.

 

[ElMariachi]

I heard what you said.

You said: "I will also state right now that I think that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Avengers 2 is a very bad idea."

So my point is valid.

Yeah and I'm not backing away from this. These two characters have no place in an Avengers sequel without the rights to Magneto. It's character overload. There are numerous characters I would rather see plugged into the movie if they go that route.

I'd rather see Scarlet Witch in a Dr. Strange movie, tbh.