The Amazing Spider-Man OFFICIAL Rate & Review the Amazing Spider-Man! - Part 1

[Anno_Domini]

The dialogue we still hear in the Blu-ray/DVD promotions would disagree about there not being something 'untold story'-esque.

And what scenes I hate?

Let me get back to you with that one.

 

[Oscorp]

Anno, I can understand why taking out the "Untold Story" stuff would ruin one's expectations. And yes, it IS a huge MARKETING flaw.

But looking, without biased glasses, at the overall story and what they're likely going for: in what way does that ruin the trilogy?

It already is very different from Raimi's films so saying it's just a rehash of his films isn't something I'll take seriously. It focuses alot more on Norman Osborn, the tone is very different, the characters are very different, it will feature Gwen's death etc.

I can take that you felt the first film had a too similar origin (even though I don't think one should change too much just because, and it was pretty different already. I'd have wanted it to be even more similar actually because I missed the wrestling part). But you say that the trilogy as a whole already has lost its potential and is ruined because they decided to not show everything in one film.

I'd very much like to hear a logical reason behind your statements of why exactly the likely story of the trilogy is ruined because of that.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Anno, I can understand why taking out the "Untold Story" stuff would ruin one's expectations. And yes, it IS a huge MARKETING flaw.

But looking, without biased glasses, at the overall story and what they're likely going for: in what way does that ruin the trilogy?

It already is very different from Raimi's films so saying it's just a rehash of his films isn't something I'll take seriously. It focuses alot more on Norman Osborn, the tone is very different, the characters are very different, it will feature Gwen's death etc.

I can take that you felt the first film had a too similar origin (even though I don't think one should change too much just because, and it was pretty different already. I'd have wanted it to be even more similar actually because I missed the wrestling part). But you say that the trilogy as a whole already has lost its potential and is ruined because they decided to not show everything in one film.

I'd very much like to hear a logical reason behind your statements of why exactly the likely story of the trilogy is ruined because of that.

Honestly, I don't think there was much more to the film we were given. The lab scene hinted towards something, but that's probably all we were going to get in the first place anyway. The Marketing made it seem like there was going to be a huge reveal in the film, just to push people to go see it. Think of the circumstances:

The movie was a reboot of a franchise that ended 5 years ago. It came out 2 months after a huge film, The Avengers; it also came out 2 weeks before the conclusion to an already successful trilogy, The Dark Knight Rises. They needed to do whatever they could to pull in as many audience members as possible.

Why do you think they gave away over 25 minutes of footage online? I don't think they were confident enough that the film would do well in the box office, so they showed everyone a lot of good clips (like the FULL Police Chase scene) to draw people in, as well as showing us clips of Ratha saying "Do you have any idea what you REALLY are?" If there is a big reveal, why would they give it away in the first film anyway? I assume we would find out by the end of the second movie if Peter was experimented on or not. These marketing flaws don't make it a bad film, though it can ruin the experience of seeing it the first time when you are expecting one thing and get another.

 

[Picard Sisko]

This review really annoys me:

http://rogermooresmovienation.blogspot.com/2012/07/movie-review-not-so-amazing-spider-man.html

Roger Moore's review is the first one that appears on RT's page for the film. He says:

"They never call him "The Lizard," but I suppose that's who he is." They did actually call him Lizard a few times in the film.

"But there's nothing like the lifelong love Peter held for Mary Jane in the original films. There's no romance to this." So he thinks that Peter and MJ had a romance in the Raimi trilogy, but the relationship with Gwen has none?

"Peter doesn't aspire to a photography career, this time. There's no snappy banter with newspaper people, no newspaper at all." Peter is still a high school student, but we get to see him use his camera a number of times. They hint at the Daily Bugle making an appearance in the future films.

"Sally Field and Martin Sheen are given less to play as Aunt May and Uncle Ben. Denis Leary, playing Gwen's police captain dad, seems miserable in his tiny, humorless role." Aunt May had a smaller part, but Uncle Ben's role in this film was a lot BIGGER than in SM1. And Denis Leary, IMO, was great in this film. I think even if you were disappointed with the movie, he was still very enjoyable. Calling him "humorless" doesn't seem right. Roger complains that he only made one joke in the film, and that is supposed to justify him being humorless. He is not a comic relief.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

I think the scene when Spider-man throws Gwen out the window could be a small reference to "The Death of Gwen Stacy".

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think the scene when Spider-man throws Gwen out the window could be a small reference to "The Death of Gwen Stacy".

Never thought of that. It could be another easter egg.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

IMO, while I do recognize some of the 'so-called flaws' with ASM, they do absolutely nothing to diminish my overall enjoyment of the movie. Way, way, too many positives with this entry.

The argument about the Untold Story not being told in one film is just silly imo. This set of Spidey flicks is being used as a series and the Untold Story will be played out over the course of several movies. Webb has talked about this before. Peter will discover more about his parents with each film and as certain aspects of one movie are resolved it will open up more to discover. I like how this is playing out.

ASM is not a rehash of SM1. There are similar sequences of course, but what'd you expect since they are both based on the origin of the same character. ASM provides enough of a difference thru it's story, characters, and tone. Whether or not ASM should have been another origin story or started at another point in Parker's life is debatable though. Still, I find ASM to be very pleasing and while it could have been a better overall film, it does have everything I have wanted for a Spider-man movie.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Anno, I can understand why taking out the "Untold Story" stuff would ruin one's expectations. And yes, it IS a huge MARKETING flaw.

But looking, without biased glasses, at the overall story and what they're likely going for: in what way does that ruin the trilogy?

It already is very different from Raimi's films so saying it's just a rehash of his films isn't something I'll take seriously. It focuses alot more on Norman Osborn, the tone is very different, the characters are very different, it will feature Gwen's death etc.

I can take that you felt the first film had a too similar origin (even though I don't think one should change too much just because, and it was pretty different already. I'd have wanted it to be even more similar actually because I missed the wrestling part). But you say that the trilogy as a whole already has lost its potential and is ruined because they decided to not show everything in one film.

I'd very much like to hear a logical reason behind your statements of why exactly the likely story of the trilogy is ruined because of that.

But the thing is, with whatever kind of new plot they created for Peter and Richard having possibly tested on him, with there not being a hint of this whatsoever, the 'Untold Story' idea could very well effect the future sequels because this side plot could have been taken out, and this takes me back to the rumor of people not liking this idea of Richard testing Peter. That itself could take away any and all future mentions in the further sequels. So, yes, that could definitely ruin the trilogy as a whole if Webb cannot get it his way.

This review really annoys me:

http://rogermooresmovienation.blogspot.com/2012/07/movie-review-not-so-amazing-spider-man.html

Roger Moore's review is the first one that appears on RT's page for the film. He says:

"They never call him "The Lizard," but I suppose that's who he is." They did actually call him Lizard a few times in the film.

I thought he's only referred to as a lizard and not The Lizard?

 

[AF3619]

Gwen calls him "The Lizard"
just watched the commentary , i still like this movie a lot , somethings i got from the commentary that i think are interesting is:
1.- the intro scene from the movie is a metapore, Peter is looking for his dad
2.-The origin of the spiders is going to be explained in the sequels
3.-Gwen´s death is comming
4.-in the after credits scenes, it could be reference for two villans, the lighting(Electro) and the man in the shadows(Norman)
what was the Richard Parker´s project called before he died? because i noticed in the movie it was Biocable unit

 

[I Am The Knight]

Never thought of that. It could be another easter egg.

Really? It was pretty obvious to me, first time I saw it.

 

[Oscorp]

IMO, while I do recognize some of the 'so-called flaws' with ASM, they do absolutely nothing to diminish my overall enjoyment of the movie. Way, way, too many positives with this entry.

The argument about the Untold Story not being told in one film is just silly imo. This set of Spidey flicks is being used as a series and the Untold Story will be played out over the course of several movies. Webb has talked about this before. Peter will discover more about his parents with each film and as certain aspects of one movie are resolved it will open up more to discover. I like how this is playing out.

ASM is not a rehash of SM1. There are similar sequences of course, but what'd you expect since they are both based on the origin of the same character. ASM provides enough of a difference thru it's story, characters, and tone. Whether or not ASM should have been another origin story or started at another point in Parker's life is debatable though. Still, I find ASM to be very pleasing and while it could have been a better overall film, it does have everything I have wanted for a Spider-man movie.

Thank you!

 

[AF3619]

IMO, while I do recognize some of the 'so-called flaws' with ASM, they do absolutely nothing to diminish my overall enjoyment of the movie. Way, way, too many positives with this entry.

The argument about the Untold Story not being told in one film is just silly imo. This set of Spidey flicks is being used as a series and the Untold Story will be played out over the course of several movies. Webb has talked about this before. Peter will discover more about his parents with each film and as certain aspects of one movie are resolved it will open up more to discover. I like how this is playing out.

ASM is not a rehash of SM1. There are similar sequences of course, but what'd you expect since they are both based on the origin of the same character. ASM provides enough of a difference thru it's story, characters, and tone. Whether or not ASM should have been another origin story or started at another point in Parker's life is debatable though. Still, I find ASM to be very pleasing and while it could have been a better overall film, it does have everything I have wanted for a Spider-man movie.

same here ,i watched it today and i still like it even if i know about the "flaws", i hope the slogan for TASM2 is "The Untold story continues"

 

[Oscorp]

Eh I just want Sony to not try to prove to others that it's different by calling it "Untold story", but rather "It's just a good ****ing story with both differences and similarites to the comics and Raimi's films, now watch the film for what it is".

The whole "Untold Story" marketing was just because they were unsure what the fans and GA would think of a reboot so soon and felt they had to tell us all that "Hey, this is different", when all that should be needed is simply telling a great story and not care whether some things have been done before or not.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Gwen calls him "The Lizard"
just watched the commentary , i still like this movie a lot , somethings i got from the commentary that i think are interesting is:
1.- the intro scene from the movie is a metapore, Peter is looking for his dad
2.-The origin of the spiders is going to be explained in the sequels
3.-Gwen´s death is comming
4.-in the after credits scenes, it could be reference for two villans, the lighting(Electro) and the man in the shadows(Norman)
what was the Richard Parker´s project called before he died? because i noticed in the movie it was Biocable unit

I still need to watch the film with the commentary, LOL.

But lots of interesting points from it I see. I like the idea of the opening being a metaphor.

When Peter shows Gwen the spider he saves in the glass tube, I think that confirms we will be seeing more of the Spiders in the future films. Before he gets bit, a few of the spiders get "shocked" by the machine containing the web.. there is a quick flash of electricity before the spiders fall. Look closely at it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Wait....people needed to hear commentary about the opening being a metaphor? I think it was obvious with Peter and his dad playing a game of hide and seek which seemed like Peter was the only one actually playing, thus Peter is the only one really seeking, not the other way around(if there is a chance Richard Parker is alive, and there could be).

 

[Picard Sisko]

Wait....people needed to hear commentary about the opening being a metaphor? I think it was obvious with Peter and his dad playing a game of hide and seek which seemed like Peter was the only one actually playing, thus Peter is the only one really seeking, not the other way around(if there is a chance Richard Parker is alive, and there could be).

I always thought of the opening as a metaphor for him seeking his dad, but its nice to actually here the cast & crew point it out and confirm it. Makes it seem "official."

 

[Web face]

I thought the opening was there to show that Peters dad is actually a broom.

 

[Anno_Domini]

 

[Nemeres]

IMO, while I do recognize some of the 'so-called flaws' with ASM, they do absolutely nothing to diminish my overall enjoyment of the movie. Way, way, too many positives with this entry.

I ask this respectfully and out of real curiosity. Other than the portrayal of Spider-Man himself, which I agree is much more compelling than in the Raimi films, what would you (or anyone else) say are the main positives of TASM that apply to THIS film exclusively, not to the sequels it's setting up, and that definitely weren't there in SM1?

 

[Anno_Domini]

The only thing I can think of is a much better love interest.

 

[Nathan]

One of my main positives is that everything and everyone feels just a lot more natural. No characters that are obvious comic relief or almost caricatures like Jonah.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I ask this respectfully and out of real curiosity. Other than the portrayal of Spider-Man himself, which I agree is much more compelling than in the Raimi films, what would you (or anyone else) say are the main positives of TASM that apply to THIS film exclusively, not to the sequels it's setting up, and that definitely weren't there in SM1?

Other than the portrayal of Spider-Man, you have:

• A Peter Parker who shows he is smart
• A much better love interest played by Emma Stone
• More realistic web swinging
• Better CGI
• A villain that does not die!
• Great chemistry between all the characters, and much better dialogue
• A lot of elements you can theorize on (which of course will be answered in the sequels)
• The build up to Norman Osborn--he isn't really in the movie, but his presence is really felt throughout the film "behind the scenes"
• Flash Thompson has a bigger role, and shows himself as a Spider-Man fan
• Spider-Man gets badly hurt, and it affects him. Raimi's Spider-Man seemed invincible at times.
• Stan Lee's cameo
• Foreshadowing and planning for future films... I know you said not to list something that applies to sequels being set up, but Raimi never planned too much for sequels *cough* killing Green Goblin and Doc Ock...
• New Yorkers helping Spider-Man made more sense this time. Less Random.
• He doesn't call himself Spider-Man as soon as he dons the costume. I like how he goes through a few stages of creating the costume as well. First just a jacket and hat, a red mask with sunglasses, and finally the Spider-Man costume.

 

[Anno_Domini]

One of my main positives is that everything and everyone feels just a lot more natural. No characters that are obvious comic relief or almost caricatures like Jonah.

Even though J.K. Simmons played the role perfect and is one of the few best portrayals of a comic book character?

 

[Nemeres]

[*]A Peter Parker who shows he is smart

He does, but to be honest, it kind of hurt the movie at times. Peter is supposed to be the most relatable superhero of them all, what's he doing handling holograms is Oscorp, trying to find the cure for limb regrowth? And the scene when he invents the webshooters is there as little more than fan service. They could have been integrated into the story some more. It's an example, IMO, of things they put in just for the sake of being new, but not necessarily useful.

[*]Great chemistry between all the characters, and much better dialogue

Ah, this I can totally agree with. No poetry reading is always good.

[*]Foreshadowing and planning for future films... I know you said not to list something that applies to sequels being set up, but Raimi never planned too much for sequels *cough* killing Green Goblin and Doc Ock...

The way he handled Harry was magnificent, I thought. And he held it up for two movies. It was one of the many things that made SM3 such a must-see. Too bad he blew it, though.

Thanks.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Other than the portrayal of Spider-Man, you have:

• A Peter Parker who shows he is smart

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  Peter Parker is smart though in Raimi's trilogy, even if not really showing as much as creating webshooters or a lock in his room.
  
  

  [*]A much better love interest played by Emma Stone

  
  I think anyone can agree with this.
  
  

  [*]More realistic web swinging

  
  By using more practical effects, but that's mostly given credit to Webb for doing this, not really the film.
  
  

  [*]Better CGI

  
  It's only a leverage because of it being ten years later with better graphics having improved for film. No one really complains about the graphics in Superman: The Movie because it's a great film.
  
  

  [*]A villain that does not die!

  
  True, but to contrast this, Webb's villain isn't as developed as he should have been.
  
  

  [*]Great chemistry between all the characters, and much better dialogue

  
  Debatable for the latter, but the former, I can agree with.
  
  

  [*]A lot of elements you can theorize on (which of course will be answered in the sequels)

  
  The question was for this single film alone.
  
  

  [*]Spider-Man gets badly hurt, and it affects him. Raimi's Spider-Man seemed invincible at times.

  
  Because nothing happened to him in the '02 film, lol.
  
  

  [*]Stan Lee's cameo

  
  Imo, his best cameo has been in the Spidey film I hate the most.
  
  

  [*]Foreshadowing and planning for future films... I know you said not to list something that applies to sequels being set up, but Raimi never planned too much for sequels *cough* killing Green Goblin and Doc Ock...

  
  Killing Green Goblin obviously was planned in using the Goblin legacy throughout the trilogy. Even if not planned in the first movie, it had to be an idea while writing Spider-Man 2 which continued with Spider-Man 3.
  
  

  [*]New Yorkers helping Spider-Man made more sense this time. Less Random.

  
  Debatable. As much crap given in the '02 film is given in this film with the construction workers and cranes.
  
  

  [*]He doesn't call himself Spider-Man as soon as he dons the costume. I like how he goes through a few stages of creating the costume as well. First just a jacket and hat, a red mask with sunglasses, and finally the Spider-Man costume.

Peter doesn't call himself Spider-Man first in Raimi's film as well.