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I never said that he is "the only one who can make LOTR movies." I said that I do not believe that anyone can do it "better". Peter Jackson is the only empirical quantity as far as Lord of the Rings goes.

In other words, I'll give you three solid reasons why I believe that noone can direct the franchise better than Peter Jackson.

1. Fellowship of the Rings
2. The Two Towers
3. Return of the King

Geeks, or the synonym Fanboys as you prefer, have dozens of reasons to cringe when they hear of a studio balking at a proven director that has delivered, among these are Superman II, X3, Batman Forever, and practically every other time a director was replaced by a studio who couldn't wait to get it done right, or who viewed the auteur as replaceable.
 
Killgore said:
I never said that he is "the only one who can make LOTR movies." I said that I do not believe that anyone can do it "better". Peter Jackson is the only empirical quantity as far as Lord of the Rings goes.

In other words, I'll give you three solid reasons why I believe that noone can direct the franchise better than Peter Jackson.

1. Fellowship of the Rings
2. The Two Towers
3. Return of the King

Geeks, or the synonym Fanboys as you prefer, have dozens of reasons to cringe when they hear of a studio balking at a proven director that has delivered, among these are Superman II, X3, Batman Forever, and practically every other time a director was replaced by a studio who couldn't wait to get it done right, or who viewed the autour as replaceable.

Perfectly valid reasons, I'm merely saying keep your mind open, it might even be better...
 
For your information, if I am a fanboy for any movie, it's Brazil.

"Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating."
 
Movies205 said:
You=Noob... How many Jackson movies have you seen besides Lotr and Kong? Probably none, Jackson is a very talented film-maker but he isn't hte only one, and frankly he's getting too self-indulgent which Kong showed, I'm glad we're getting a new film-maker and fresh blood for the Hobbit, as long as it isn't a fly -by night production, I'm sure we'll be treated to a fine movie.

Listen up, *******. Who gives a **** if I only have a few posts on your gay message board meant for 12-year-olds. I just come here to get some info on a couple of topics that I can't find anywhere else. And in case your immaturity blinds you (actually, you're probably growing pretty old by now, which is the sad part here), my signature is making fun of people exactly like you.

And I'm not sure what makes you think I have only seen Jackson's The Lord of the Rings. Quite the opposite, I assure you. In fact, I'd have to say Heavenly Creatures is one of his better efforts. But LOTR remains his best to date. The difference between you and me is that I have the good taste and capability to differentiate between films that are merely good and those that are exceptional.

Now, I agree with you that King Kong was a bit over-the-top from time to time and badly needed some snips and tucks here and there. Even with these flaws, however, it was still unquestionably one of the best films of the year. What a director’s showcase! Jackson turned what is a fairly simple (if not down right silly) story with virtually no dialogue into a breathtakingly beautiful and moving film. You probably thought it was boring. Your loss.

If you could, please make a list of directors who would suit as well as Jackson. Look for these qualities: His/her last 4 films earned 3,500,000,000.00 worldwide in sales, received 34 Academy Award nominations (with 20 wins—including best picture/director/writer, naturally), were unquestionably among the top five best reviewed films of their respective years (oh yes, even Kong—look here for proof http://www.criticstop10.net/2005/index.htm), and who has clearly demonstrated the ability to work in multiple genres. Not even Spielberg compares. Guillermo del Toro could do well, but he’s still leagues away from Jackson in filmmaking abilities.

Please, just go back to watching Dare Devil with your mom. Nobody wants to be around an arrogant jerk like you.
 
Sorry about the insults regarding the message board, btw. I'm really just refering to that condesending ******* Movie205.
 
Killgore said:
For your information, if I am a fanboy for any movie, it's Brazil.

"Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating."

As am I, I make most my friends on the this board through an arguments... You seem like a decent enough chap, I apologize any offense to you :)

Charlie, Department of Works: Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us.
 
Dan33977 said:
Listen up, *******. Who gives a **** if I only have a few posts on your gay message board meant for 12-year-olds. I just come here to get some info on a couple of topics that I can't find anywhere else. And in case your immaturity blinds you (actually, you're probably growing pretty old by now, which is the sad part here), my signature is making fun of people exactly like you.

And I'm not sure what makes you think I have only seen Jackson's The Lord of the Rings. Quite the opposite, I assure you. In fact, I'd have to say Heavenly Creatures is one of his better efforts. But LOTR remains his best to date. The difference between you and me is that I have the good taste and capability to differentiate between films that are merely good and those that are exceptional.

Now, I agree with you that King Kong was a bit over-the-top from time to time and badly needed some snips and tucks here and there. Even with these flaws, however, it was still unquestionably one of the best films of the year. What a director’s showcase! Jackson turned what is a fairly simple (if not down right silly) story with virtually no dialogue into a breathtakingly beautiful and moving film. You probably thought it was boring. Your loss.

If you could, please make a list of directors who would suit as well as Jackson. Look for these qualities: His/her last 4 films earned 3,500,000,000.00 worldwide in sales, received 34 Academy Award nominations (with 20 wins—including best picture/director/writer, naturally), were unquestionably among the top five best reviewed films of their respective years (oh yes, even Kong—look here for proof http://www.criticstop10.net/2005/index.htm), and who has clearly demonstrated the ability to work in multiple genres. Not even Spielberg compares. Guillermo del Toro could do well, but he’s still leagues away from Jackson in filmmaking abilities.

Please, just go back to watching Dare Devil with your mom. Nobody wants to be around an arrogant jerk like you.

Ha... Go back to my main point, keep an open mind, you can't deal with that... I don't really care...
 
Dan33977 said:
Listen up, *******. Who gives a **** if I only have a few posts on your gay message board meant for 12-year-olds. I just come here to get some info on a couple of topics that I can't find anywhere else. And in case your immaturity blinds you (actually, you're probably growing pretty old by now, which is the sad part here), my signature is making fun of people exactly like you.

And I'm not sure what makes you think I have only seen Jackson's The Lord of the Rings. Quite the opposite, I assure you. In fact, I'd have to say Heavenly Creatures is one of his better efforts. But LOTR remains his best to date. The difference between you and me is that I have the good taste and capability to differentiate between films that are merely good and those that are exceptional.

Now, I agree with you that King Kong was a bit over-the-top from time to time and badly needed some snips and tucks here and there. Even with these flaws, however, it was still unquestionably one of the best films of the year. What a director’s showcase! Jackson turned what is a fairly simple (if not down right silly) story with virtually no dialogue into a breathtakingly beautiful and moving film. You probably thought it was boring. Your loss.

If you could, please make a list of directors who would suit as well as Jackson. Look for these qualities: His/her last 4 films earned 3,500,000,000.00 worldwide in sales, received 34 Academy Award nominations (with 20 wins—including best picture/director/writer, naturally), were unquestionably among the top five best reviewed films of their respective years (oh yes, even Kong—look here for proof http://www.criticstop10.net/2005/index.htm), and who has clearly demonstrated the ability to work in multiple genres. Not even Spielberg compares. Guillermo del Toro could do well, but he’s still leagues away from Jackson in filmmaking abilities.

Please, just go back to watching Dare Devil with your mom. Nobody wants to be around an arrogant jerk like you.
heh heh, I told you, you shouldn't have called him a noob.:yay:
 
Killgore said:
heh heh, I told you, you shouldn't have called him a noob.:yay:

He is what he is, a noob... If he can't get past the fact that there are other out there that can probably make the Hobbit.
 
Well that's a shame. I would have really liked to see Jackson's Hobbit. Hopefully they find someone with passion to direct it.
 
Movies205 said:
Ha... Go back to my main point, keep an open mind, you can't deal with that... I don't really care...


You think you're so smart, don't you? Do I really have a closed mind if I use Dare Devil as an example of ****ty filmmaking? I'm sure I hate people who dismiss excellent films like X2 automatically because of their subject matter and suck up to hacks like Paul Haggis just as much as you do. But there comes a point when some films go into ******ed territory and keeping an 'open mind' about them is just wishful thinking. Would it have pleased you more if I said Electra?

The bottom line is this: get a life. Go to some other message board if you're going to act like that. I don't care what you have to say as long as you behave decently.
 
Dan33977 said:
You think you're so smart, don't you? Do I really have a closed mind if I use Dare Devil as an example of ****ty filmmaking? I'm sure I hate people who dismiss excellent films like X2 automatically because of their subject matter and suck up to hacks like Paul Haggis just as much as you do. But there comes a point when some films go into ******ed territory and keeping an 'open mind' about them is just wishful thinking. Would it have pleased you more if I said Electra?

The bottom line is this: get a life. Go to some other message board if you're going to act like that. I don't care what you have to say as long as you behave decently.
Dude, I'm sorry I stuck up for you.

You are a noob.
 
Killgore said:
I never said that he is "the only one who can make LOTR movies." I said that I do not believe that anyone can do it "better". Peter Jackson is the only empirical quantity as far as Lord of the Rings goes.

In other words, I'll give you three solid reasons why I believe that noone can direct the franchise better than Peter Jackson.

1. Fellowship of the Rings
2. The Two Towers
3. Return of the King

Geeks, or the synonym Fanboys as you prefer, have dozens of reasons to cringe when they hear of a studio balking at a proven director that has delivered, among these are Superman II, X3, Batman Forever, and practically every other time a director was replaced by a studio who couldn't wait to get it done right, or who viewed the auteur as replaceable.

I'll take Alfonso Cuaron and Mike Newell over Chris Columbus.
 
Poetic Chaos said:
I'll take Alfonso Cuaron and Mike Newell over Chris Columbus.
Hell yes. Hmm...Imagine Alfonso's Hobbit. It would be awesome.
 
Movies205 said:
You=Noob...

You know, I never understood why elitists used the term "newbie" to insult someone with a differing opinion on a message board. You do realize all this term means is that one is new to a certain message board (which, by the way, I'm certainly not, so congratulations on misusing the word; I guarantee you I've visited this website longer than you have—Spider-Man Hype, anyone?). Using your logic, all the intelligent people who have better things to do with their lives than post on an Internet message board must also be extremely unintelligent because if they ever were to start posting on one, they'd be newbies, too.

But if it does anything, my paragraph above just illustrates how absurd and meaningless your argument is: what does my join date have anything to do with my intelligence, open-mindedness, and taste in things? You simply made an asinine assumption because you're an elitist prick. All I did was simply politely disagree with your views on Peter Jackson—if that's not mature and conducive to intelligent debate, then I don't know what is...

Movies205 said:
How many Jackson movies have you seen besides Lotr and Kong?

Quite a few, actually. HEAVENLY CREATURES, DEAD ALIVE, and THE FRIGHTENERS come to mind. But the real question is what does this have to with me wanting Jackson to return to direct THE HOBBIT and why did you automatically assume that I hadn't seen any of his earlier works? It all comes down to the fact that nothing I said implied or even suggested that I hadn't seen his earlier stuff; you merely assumed I hadn't because you felt you were better than I was. Please get rid of the snobbery, kid. Yours isn't subtle enough to make yourself even remotely look better than others and the fact that you think this has any relevancy to the topic at hand again reeks of elitism.

Movies205 said:
Probably none

Congratulations! You're wrong!

Movies205 said:
There not stupid they know there pissing off tons of dumb fanboys by not hiring Peter Jackson so the'yll make sure to get someone good.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Are you an idiot? How the **** is there any guarantee of this? In fact, history shows that this is not true!

Movies205 said:
WHich will ensue even more ridiculous stupid fanboy remarks such as "New Guy is so much greater than Jackson" or vice-a-versa in much the same way Craig has about Brosnan... So I believe my condescending attitude is justified.

No, it's certainly not justified, first, because I haven't even done any of the things that you claim justify your ****ty attitude toward me, and second, because I simply want Jackson to return to direct THE HOBBIT because he's already proven, in my opinion, that he's capable of tackling something like it. This is all you knew about me, yet you felt the need to assume other things that were not relevant to the discussion at hand!

By the way, I thought Craig was phenomenal as Bond, so I recommend you stop assuming things about people and analyzing them upon encounter because, quite frankly, you're terrible at it. I mean, you've been wrong with every assumption about me so far—it's just embarrassing.

Movies205 said:
I didn't rant on and on about how James Bond was going suck because Bond was blonde. I didn't think F4 was going suck right outside the box because Tim Story was directing it.

Neither did I. Congratulations! What's your point? Again, I ask you how this is relevant to what we're supposed to be discussing in this thread? I'll have you know that I was quite excited to see FANTASTIC FOUR, too, but was subsequently disappointed by it—yet another incorrect assumption from Unintelligent Elitist Superhero Hype Clone #562. Yawn...

Movies205 said:
I've seen more and read more than the majority here, and have nearly all the time, given everything a chance before judging it, I've learned over my nearly 4 years of posting here, that the majority of hte peopel who post here are dumb fanboys who will eventually grow out of it or won't. They can't see past there narrow conceptions...

Oh, give me a ****ing break! You are disgusting—seriously. I mean, I just have to ask you this now that you've crossed over the boundaries of acceptable vanity: do you *********e to pictures of yourself? And this is an honest question...

How dare you not only make assumptions about the intelligence and experience of me (someone you don't know), but also of everyone else who posts on this message board. If you're so damn smart and unique (as much you claim to be) how come you're a nobody posting on an Internet message board? Why don't you have a name for yourself in the real world? Please pull the stick out of your ass...

Movies205 said:
if you honestly think that JAckson is the only one who cna make a good Lotr movie, you=the dumb fanboy...

Dude, you're on a bloody role here—another incorrect label and assumption. I've already stated that there are plenty of other capable directors who could make THE HOBBIT. In fact, I've even listed some. I'd merely like Jackson to be involved in some manner since he started the whole thing. Please just get it drilled into your brain (if you have one) that the world is not as black and white as you make it out to be, that there is always more than one reason to dislike something or be wary about something. The fact that you cannot even grasp this concept goes against everything you've said about yourself so far and simply reveals your lack of experience and know-how in the real world.

So, listen, I'm going to break it down for you nice and easily: recall in the past when a new director has taken over the reigns of a franchise—the result's usually not a pretty sight, is it? What usually happens in terms of mood, style, quality, and acting—simple continuity? My point is that not only is it perfectly valid to be wary someone other than Jackson directing THE HOBBIT, but anyone with more than half a brain would be doing this sort of analysis themselves instead of brainlessly bashing others about whom he knows nothing. There's no need to feel threatened by other people's opinions. There are several other intelligent, free-thinkers in the world.

Movies205 said:
He is what he is, a noob... If he can't get past the fact that there are other out there that can probably make the Hobbit.

*sighs*

Listen, I've already addressed this, so I'm not going to waste my time doing it again.

In the end, I hope people who read this thread will be able to see what's really going on here. You've simply proven that you're everything you claim not to be, that you're anything but open-minded when it comes to judging other people, and that beneath the surface, you're just an unintelligent dolt—a true fanboy.

That is all...
 
Jesus. Nine hours later and you're still brewing over someone calling you a noob. Did you loose sleep over it? Is that why you had to get up at 3:00 am? Well, you're officially a

NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB
 
PJ wont be making the Hobbit!?!!?! :cmad: :cmad: It should be him and no one else!!
 
Movies205 said:
He is what he is, a noob... If he can't get past the fact that there are other out there that can probably make the Hobbit.


How that makes him a noob is beyond me.:o


I think what you are missing is the fact that Jackson did not make these movies alone, it was a group effort. Without PJ's involvment you arent going to get his wirters, who know and understand the source material extremely well. You arent going to get Alan Lee and John Howe to do conceptual artwork, who have been creating the look of Middle Earth for years, you more than likely arent going to get WETA doing the fx and you more than likely wont get most of the original cast back who spent years involved in the original project and truly made a labor of love.
Are there other directors out there who could do it? yeah ofcourse there are, however, you will not find someone more suited and capable to do it.
The Hobbit itself I wouldnt be to worried about in another directors hands it's that second movie of original material that scares me most.
 
green said:
How that makes him a noob is beyond me.:o


I think what you are missing is the fact that Jackson did not make these movies alone, it was a group effort. Without PJ's involvment you arent going to get his wirters, who know and understand the source material extremely well. You arent going to get Alan Lee and John Howe to do conceptual artwork, who have been creating the look of Middle Earth for years, you more than likely arent going to get WETA doing the fx and you more than likely wont get most of the original cast back who spent years involved in the original project and truly made a labor of love.
Are there other directors out there who could do it? yeah ofcourse there are, however, you will not find someone more suited and capable to do it.
The Hobbit itself I wouldnt be to worried about in another directors hands it's that second movie of original material that scares me most.

I agree its not just Pete we need. We have to get back Fran and Philippa, Howard Shore, Barrie Osborne, Alan Lee, Richard Taylor, John Howe, Rick Porras, Andrew Lesnie, Grant Major, Dan and Chris Hennah, Gino Acevedo and every single person who worked on LOTR!!! As you've probally guessed iv'e watched alot of the extended version extra features, incase you thought i was some stalker :D.
 
The only one I really, really, really can't see this movie working without is Ian McKellan as Gandalf. Mostly everyone else I can live without (though I'd prefer it if as many as possible returned of course).
 
green said:
How that makes him a noob is beyond me.:o


I think what you are missing is the fact that Jackson did not make these movies alone, it was a group effort. Without PJ's involvment you arent going to get his wirters, who know and understand the source material extremely well. You arent going to get Alan Lee and John Howe to do conceptual artwork, who have been creating the look of Middle Earth for years, you more than likely arent going to get WETA doing the fx and you more than likely wont get most of the original cast back who spent years involved in the original project and truly made a labor of love.
Are there other directors out there who could do it? yeah ofcourse there are, however, you will not find someone more suited and capable to do it.
The Hobbit itself I wouldnt be to worried about in another directors hands it's that second movie of original material that scares me most.

All excellent points and I realize this, I'm merely saying to everyone... Which I say every time a controversial call like this is made, just chill out and give it a chance, it might suck or it might be bad, in the end it's just a movie... I mean I'm personally a little happy there'll be a different team behind the Hobbit, because the Hobbit has always been to me a different animal then LoTR, it's a much more fun and smaller story. It's contained in one book, the characters aren't as grave, and it's much more light hearted. It definately doesn't have the scope of LoTr... If anything I'm more worried about this second movie, because what the heck is that going be about?

To Dan... What part of I don't care do you not realize? I'm not going bother reading some long ass post you made explaining how your not a noob, because I already made my point... Which if you can't accept that someone else can make a good Hobbit movie than Jackson, you are a noob, if you disagree so be it, I don't really care...
 
Kent said:
The only one I really, really, really can't see this movie working without is Ian McKellan as Gandalf. Mostly everyone else I can live without (though I'd prefer it if as many as possible returned of course).

Agreed, it's been a while since I read the books... But I believe he's the only character who crosses over into both books... Since Hobbit takes place 60 years before LoTR, they certainly can't use the same actor who played Bilbo in LoTr in the hobbit...
 
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