Official The Hobbit thread

[Boom]

Gimli in the book had pride and dignity, and was well-respected by everyone who came to know him. Despite his stature, he was very much an equal in the group, and was treated as such.

In the films, Gimli was a one-dimensional trainwreck. They took the single representative for the Dwarves and turned him into a walking, talking *********ion joke. Whenever he spoke, the other characters look at him as if he were a two-year-old trying to be one of the adults. They might as well have had Aragorn and Legolas put their hands on their hips and say, "Oh, Gimli!", followed immediately by the Looney Tunes theme.

Humor is not a bad thing. I love humor, when it's smart, subtle, and appropriate. The humorous scenes in LoTR either got stale after multiple viewings, or received a facepalm at the first viewing.

 

[Doctor Jones]

To each his own I guess.

I still get a kick out of Gimli and his competition with Legolas.

"That still only counts as one!"

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't remember any *********ion jokes.

 

[Boom]

I thought of this as well.

The plan is for Frodo to read Bilbo's "There and Back Again," so we will be seeing the events of The Hobbit through Bilbo's recollections.

How then, are they going to show the White Council and Dol Guldur scenes, considering Bilbo wasn't present for either? I doubt Gandalf told him anything specific regarding those events (it being a secret council of the highest order of Elves and Wizards). So how would Bilbo know what was specifically said at the council, who all was present, and how the ultimately drove the Necromancer from the tower?

 

[danoyse]

I don't remember any *********ion jokes.

Because there weren't any. They did add some comic relief to the character, especially his dealings with Legolas, but they didn't make him a fool, either.

 

[terry78]

I thought of this as well.

The plan is for Frodo to read Bilbo's "There and Back Again," so we will be seeing the events of The Hobbit through Bilbo's recollections.

How then, are they going to show the White Council and Dol Guldur scenes, considering Bilbo wasn't present for either? I doubt Gandalf told him anything specific regarding those events (it being a secret council of the highest order of Elves and Wizards). So how would Bilbo know what was specifically said at the council, who all was present, and how the ultimately drove the Necromancer from the tower?

Liberties, bro.

 

[Boom]

"*********ion joke" is an expression. I didn't literally mean Gimli was making jokes about jerking off .

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Because there weren't any. They did add some comic relief to the character, especially his dealings with Legolas, but they didn't make him a fool, either.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. They added some humor but Boom's complaint up top reads like every Gimli scene should have had the Benny Hill music playing. They did have the fart joke in RotK, but that wasn't even in the theatrical release!

I loved Gimli. He was one of the highlights as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Boom]

I guess I'm just a nitpicker then.

When a character's primary role in the trilogy is to make jokes (both physical and verbal) and to add snarky commentary to every situation, to the point where I can no longer take the character seriously, then yes - I would say that they made Gimli into a fool.

I really do love the trilogy. But I absolutely hate what they did to Gimli.

 

[regwec]

"*********ion joke" is an expression. I didn't literally mean Gimli was making jokes about jerking off .

Yes, he was. "Nobody tosses a Dwarf" and "toss me- just don't tell the Elf" are both *********ion jokes. In fact, they are barely even jokes. The equivalent would be Legolas carrying a chicken under his arm, and telling everyone who will listen to "tickle his cock".

 

[danoyse]

"*********ion joke" is an expression. I didn't literally mean Gimli was making jokes about jerking off .

We understand that. We just disagree that they stooped to that kind of low-brow humor in any of the LOTR movies.

 

[Boom]

Gimli burping, farting, and getting blackout drunk wasn't low-brow humor?

 

[Electrix]

That's what dwarves do.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yes, he was. "Nobody tosses a Dwarf" and "toss me- just don't tell the Elf" are both *********ion jokes. In fact, they are barely even jokes. The equivalent would be Legolas carrying a chicken under his arm, and telling everyone who will listen to "tickle his cock".

I think you're looking way too far into it.

I always thought that was something about them. They're too proud to be helped and don't want to suffer any shortcomings because of their size.

By telling Legolas, he would know that Gimli would be doing what he said. He just wanted to keep his dignity.

Jeez, I can't believe I had to explain this.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Yes, he was. "Nobody tosses a Dwarf" and "toss me- just don't tell the Elf" are both *********ion jokes. In fact, they are barely even jokes. The equivalent would be Legolas carrying a chicken under his arm, and telling everyone who will listen to "tickle his cock".

I hope you're joking.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That's what dwarves do.

+1

I think you're looking way too far into it.

I always thought that was something about them. They're too proud to be helped and don't want to suffer any shortcomings because of their size.

By telling Legolas, he would know that Gimli would be doing what he said. He just wanted to keep his dignity.

Jeez, I can't believe I had to explain this.

Also +1

 

[Ponyboy]

How then, are they going to show the White Council and Dol Guldur scenes, considering Bilbo wasn't present for either? I doubt Gandalf told him anything specific regarding those events (it being a secret council of the highest order of Elves and Wizards). So how would Bilbo know what was specifically said at the council, who all was present, and how the ultimately drove the Necromancer from the tower?

I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Many of these events happen around the same time. For example, the White Council of the Eldar last met around the same time Bilbo was at home in the Shire, and took Frodo under his wing. And after all, the Lord of the Rings trilogy (the 3 movies) covered one year's worth of book-time.

 

[Ponyboy]

Gimli burping, farting, and getting blackout drunk wasn't low-brow humor?

No, that's just Gimli being Gimli. Low brow is just about everything happened in the movie "The Hangover." Ugh.

 

[craigdbfan]

I think you're looking way too far into it.

I always thought that was something about them. They're too proud to be helped and don't want to suffer any shortcomings because of their size.

By telling Legolas, he would know that Gimli would be doing what he said. He just wanted to keep his dignity.

Jeez, I can't believe I had to explain this.

Exactly.

I'm a little dumbfounded by that comment on the sexual innuendo.

 

[Ponyboy]

Yes, he was. "Nobody tosses a Dwarf" and "toss me- just don't tell the Elf" are both *********ion jokes. In fact, they are barely even jokes. The equivalent would be Legolas carrying a chicken under his arm, and telling everyone who will listen to "tickle his cock".

That is not a *********ion joke. What planet are you on?

Nobody tosses a dwarf was a direct take on "midget tossing."

 

[terry78]

You should not toss a dwarf more than once a day, you'll go blind.

 

[Boom]

I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Many of these events happen around the same time. For example, the White Council of the Eldar last met around the same time Bilbo was at home in the Shire, and took Frodo under his wing. And after all, the Lord of the Rings trilogy (the 3 movies) covered one year's worth of book-time.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I can't tell.

The White Council takes place while Bilbo and the Dwarves are in Mirkwood. They happen at the same time. I'm not disputing that.

Bilbo's "There and Back Again" details his journey. He was not present for the White Council, nor did he take part in the Seige of Dol Guldur. And since I sincerely doubt Gandalf would give Bilbo too many details about these events, I doubt they would have made their way into Bilbo's book.

So, if the movies are essentially going to be Frodo's reading of Bilbo's book, how can the White Council and Dol Guldur scenes be in the movies - if those events are not detailed in Bilbo's book?

Unless of course we are meant to assume that Gandalf sat Bilbo down after-the-fact and said, "Here, Bilbo. Let's talk about my super secret council meeting, and our super secret mission in Mirkwood. This'll make a great chapter in your book!"

 

[Ponyboy]

So, if the movie is essentially going to be Frodo's reading of Bilbo's book, how can the White Council and Dol Guldur scenes be in the movies - if those events are not detailed in Bilbo's book?

Who said this is the case?

 

[Boom]

It turns out I am mistaken. In the final chapter of The Hobbit:

It was in this way he learned where Gandalf had been too; for he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeared that Gandalf had been to a great council of white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood.

While Bilbo doesn't mention any specific Council members by name, that's just semantics I guess. The fact is he knew about the Council, and knew about the expulsion of the Necromancer. As such, I guess it makes sense for those two events to be mentioned in Bilbo's book.

When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My bad, folks.

But I still hate movie Gimli and Elijah Wood being in The Hobbit, damnit .

 

[Ponyboy]

But I still hate movie Gimli and Elijah Wood being in The Hobbit, damnit .

Also untrue.