Comics Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[FieryBalrog]

Oh man, complete opposite for me. I liked Millar's run, but too much of it was just whackdizzle for whackdizzle's sake. Vaughan's run had tons of great character moments, lovely plotting, and was just all around great.

Does anyone know when 70 comes out this week?

 

[Venom160]

Oh man, complete opposite for me. I liked Millar's run, but too much of it was just whackdizzle for whackdizzle's sake. Vaughan's run had tons of great character moments, lovely plotting, and was just all around great.

Does anyone know when 70 comes out this week?

it comes out today.

 

[Venom160]

I read Vaughn's run, but I failed to see what everyone loved about it. "Magnetic North" was a big letdown to me. I mean, really, compare it to "The Tommorrow People" or "Return of the King" and there is no comparison. Post-Millar UXM has been "smallball" IMO. You go from Magneto unleashing reprogrammed Sentinels on D.C. and making the president lick his boots in front of the entire nation to Magneto framing a teenage girl for the murder of a few firemen. You go from the Brotherhood busting the X-Men out of Weapon X to the Brotherhood crashing a school dance.

well keep in mind that as far as we know the brotherhood don't know that Magneto is free, and with no one leading them I could see the brotherhood doing somthing small and stupid as crashing a school dance.

 

[Wolverazio]

well keep in mind that as far as we know the brotherhood don't know that Magneto is free, and with no one leading them I could see the brotherhood doing somthing small and stupid as crashing a school dance.

The vibe I got is that the Brotherhood either isn't really doing it or was forced into it...either way

Spoiler

The Magician

is responsible.

 

[Sun_Down]

well keep in mind that as far as we know the brotherhood don't know that Magneto is free, and with no one leading them I could see the brotherhood doing somthing small and stupid as crashing a school dance.

They disarmed a sovreign nation's nuclear arsenal without Magneto leading them, this school dance crap is just stupid, even if the Magician's manipulating them. It's just too small-scale and insignificant.

 

[FieryBalrog]

They disarmed a sovreign nation's nuclear arsenal without Magneto leading them, this school dance crap is just stupid, even if the Magician's manipulating them. It's just too small-scale and insignificant.

I like the more intimate superheroic stuff. It doesnt have to be constantly saving the world from alien invasions or Magneto. That can only be done so many times before it gets old (i.e. Millar).

Already have the Ultimates for that anyway, and it fits with their themes much more. The X-men deal with prejudice on big and small scales. The Ultimates deal with world-class threats. Its their job.

 

[AndThePickles]

This week's issue was better, something actually happened besides going on dates.

Spoiler

And wow, so we now know the Phoenix is bad in the Ultimate universe too?? i yi yi.

I thought the art and dialogue were pretty bad....the end was the most interesting part. And Colossus looked so scrawny!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I love how Jamie and 6 of his dupes can subdue Colossus. The same Colossus that handed THOR his ass, stopped IronMan dead in his tracks, and had to be taken down with a nuke-arrow in Ultimate War!? Seriously, that's gotta be worst display of strength inconsistency I've ever seen. Jamie has the strength of a regular man. Petey can't beat up 7 regular men? C'mon. Not to mention the fact that they're drawing Colossus scrawnier than ever. Ugh.

 

[Fenryr]

I said it in the Bought/Thought, and I'll say it here: Kirkman is rushing to catch up on Invincible so his other work is suffering, and Oliver's just a crummy artist. I kept thinking "Did this really get past an editor? For real?"

I liked Vaughan's run, but I think Immonen is much better suited to Nextwave, and I really don't understand why there's such hate for Kaare Andrews. Except for a few minor errors, he was the best fill-in artist the book had.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Oliver makes Jean and Rogue look more unattractive than ever. They look like pot bellied geezers. When's he leavin the book anyway?

 

[Generation Lee]

Ok if I remember Ult. War didn't that kinda state that Jean had a good relationship with her parents like the 616 so is she lying to Lil???

OK in terms of Colossus and Jamie let's face it the guy probably had to do all the work to cover Emma's team's assess then he got threw through a wall the guy was probably a bit worn out so multipile man got the jump on him. And if you know who is behind this those may not be Multipile Man or his Dupes.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Emma's team aren't a bunch of pushovers though, I never thought Colossus was protecting them, more like fighting for himself. Nobody in the Brotherhood can throw Colossus, unless it was Emma's team that did that to him; in which case Sunspot, Polaris, Havok, or Cannonball could have done it.

What do you mean "who's behind this"?

 

[FieryBalrog]

I thought this issue was a LOT better, including the art, although his Rogue, Storm and Jean still look pretty mediocre and his Colossus is awful. Just looks like a regular guy colored gray.

 

[Suiciety]

I'm with ya 100%, Colossal Spoons! I posted the same response over at the Ult X-Men X-Fan forum.

I've been with Ult X-Men since issue 1 - $hit, I've even helped Millar with Russian translation back in the day. But I'm quickly reaching for the eject button and ready to send Ult X-Men to funny book heaven. The only way for Marvel to take notice of their stupidity, is to stop buying Ult X-Men. Money is the only thing that matters to 'em, or so it seems.

Chyort vahzmee!!!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

The power fluctuations are what's pissin me off lately. That, along with this crappy artwork.

How did everybody like the art back in issues 23 and 24? Kaare Andrews did the art and it was difitally painted, almost looked like a Disney movie. Personally, I loved it and would love to go back to that, even if only for a few issues.

 

[FieryBalrog]

The power fluctuations are what's pissin me off lately. That, along with this crappy artwork.

How did everybody like the art back in issues 23 and 24? Kaare Andrews did the art and it was difitally painted, almost looked like a Disney movie. Personally, I loved it and would love to go back to that, even if only for a few issues.

I remember that... I was not a fan : Just didn't fit the book I thought. Also it reads really weird in the trade, sandwiched between Kubert's completely different style.

I would like Immonen back, or Peterson.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Kubert was good too.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I love how Jamie and 6 of his dupes can subdue Colossus. The same Colossus that handed THOR his ass, stopped IronMan dead in his tracks, and had to be taken down with a nuke-arrow in Ultimate War!? Seriously, that's gotta be worst display of strength inconsistency I've ever seen. Jamie has the strength of a regular man. Petey can't beat up 7 regular men? C'mon. Not to mention the fact that they're drawing Colossus scrawnier than ever. Ugh.

Exactly!!!.... And didn't he stop a train dead in it's tracks when he was a weapon x operative?.... Yet several "average" men can stop him?... Marvel is slipping, big time. Looks like the editors *cough,Joe,cough*, aren't doing their job to uphold the classic Marvel tradition.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^Even a tired Colossus could more than hold his own against 7 average men. The man carried a freaking submarine from the ocean floor to the surface!

 

[Mar420x]

This week's issue was better, something actually happened besides going on dates.

Spoiler

And wow, so we now know the Phoenix is bad in the Ultimate universe too?? i yi yi.

I thought the art and dialogue were pretty bad....the end was the most interesting part. And Colossus looked so scrawny!

yea i enjoyed this issue more then the other recent ones in the past months. the whole x-men vs. brotherhood battle was interesting and jean turning evil.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, I've got to agree with Colossal Spoons.

I've dropped Ultimate. It's still on my pull list, so I flipped through the issue, read a few lines, saw a few pictures, then put it back in its wrap and set it on the shelf. Eh, what I read of the ending didn't much impress me.

But I did take note of Colossus obviously fatigued, getting tossed around, his arse beat, etc. I didn't actually see the Multiple Men holding him down, but... that's just silly. And I'm a Madrox fan, heh.

Like Spooney said, Colossus took down Thor and Iron Man, and eventually was only stopped due to a pinpoint nuke-arrow. He carried a submarine from the ocean floor up to shore. He stopped a train dead in its tracks.

And now he's getting beat up by the Brotherhood and/or the E-Men? I'm not saying he's invincible, but who threw him? The Multiple Men? I doubt they could all lift him. Blob? Pfeh. TOAD? Hahaha. Sure, several of the E-Men could chuck Colossus, but I dare say that he'd get up just fine and proceed to pummel them.

I missed jumping off the sinking ship that was Milligan's X-Men, so I'm making up for it here. Oliver's bad art has brought these two issues down, but he's only a fill-in, so that's almost a moot point. It's the writing, the sudden character fluctuations and power fluctuations, and, of course, the editor not doing his damn job. (Then again, it could be said that Kirkman isn't doing his job.)

 

[Colossal Spoons]

You know who's coming in after Oliver leaves?

 

[El Bastardo]

First post of the thread.

Tom Raney's the upcoming artist.

 

[FieryBalrog]

yea, Raney's coming back.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Oddly enough, I tend to NOT read things that are brightly colored and skip to the black lol. Thanks though.