Comics Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[UraniaChang]

Okay, wait. When did White Queen turn evil? Mind you, I haven't been reading. And when did Emma Frost start going as White Queen?

She is one of the Hellfire club members and wears thongs just like early 616 Emma, hard to deny she is the (same) bad guy in Ult verse as well.

That said, why should Wolverine care about killing Bishop? Bishop led to Angel's death. Wolverine gutted him. While the writing of the dialogue was absolutely horrible, I mean, hey, that's Kirkman. The premise isn't so bad.

A real hypocritical action coming from someone like Wolverine.

 

[El Bastardo]

She is one of the Hellfire club members and wears thongs just like early 616 Emma, hard to deny she is the (same) bad guy in Ult verse as well.

Uh... she does? I thought Emma Frost headed the other school where Havok, Polaris, Cannonball, Sunspot, Northstar, and I think Colossus were at. Like I said, I dropped the book for some time, but I didn't think I noticed that happening.

A real hypocritical action coming from someone like Wolverine.

Not really. Bishop was acting as a team leader, Angel was one of Wolverine's teammates, and Bishop caused Angel's death. I don't find that hypocritical at all. Aside from the Cyclops thing AGES ago, Ultimate Wolverine doesn't really make a habit of turning on teammates and trying to kil them. Or killing them.

 

[UraniaChang]

Uh... she does? I thought Emma Frost headed the other school where Havok, Polaris, Cannonball, Sunspot, Northstar, and I think Colossus were at. Like I said, I dropped the book for some time, but I didn't think I noticed that happening.

I think it happened in #88 or 89, just when I thought that one of the differences between 616 and Ult Emma was the latter wore knee-length skirts.

Not really. Bishop was acting as a team leader, Angel was one of Wolverine's teammates, and Bishop caused Angel's death. I don't find that hypocritical at all. Aside from the Cyclops thing AGES ago, Ultimate Wolverine doesn't really make a habit of turning on teammates and trying to kil them. Or killing them.

Unless he thinks he can benefit from killing the said teammate. Sorry, El, I can't help but bearing grudges. After all, that's one of the two times I threw my comic against the wall.

 

[Venom160]

Uh... she does? I thought Emma Frost headed the other school where Havok, Polaris, Cannonball, Sunspot, Northstar, and I think Colossus were at. Like I said, I dropped the book for some time, but I didn't think I noticed that happening.

It happened in the last issue of the Sentinels arc. Personally I don't think shes' really workin with them. She might've gone undercover to see how strong the Hellfire Club is.

 

[El Bastardo]

Well, yet one more thing to add to my list of grievances with this craptastic run.

 

[Valechan]

WEll I just finished reading the last fanfic, I mean last issue and... 10 double-splash pages? Someone is a very lazy writer...

 

[Ion Kenshin]

finished this yesterday....yet anothe phoenix glimpse....is she actually gonna do sumthin this time or is this another case of her showing up with all her flame and fire glory and then being suppresed after 2 minutes???

 

[TromaFreak64]

Okay, wait. When did White Queen turn evil? Mind you, I haven't been reading. And when did Emma Frost start going as White Queen?

Yeah last issue of Sentinels arc.

And... are you actually reading, or just going on online information? Why does Cable have one set of claws? Because his other arm was ripped off and has been replaced by a cybernetic arm. Why does he have scars across his face? Because whoever ripped his other arm off sliced him across the face with the claws of that arm.

I understand that, but wasn't it interesting that Wolverine in present lost the SAME arm in this arc... the same one that Cable is missing... I thought Kirkman was going to try and explain WHO that person was who tore his arm off... and the scratches on his face -- remember the first panel of Wolverine in the hospital in the present -- are you not seeing the correlation??

Who is this great and bad mystery man? That would be Apocalypse. Look at the second issue - it all happens right there, in those pages. Everything is unfolding as it unfolds.

The only person I am confused about is the PRESENT timeline stryfe.. and how does he relate to Cable in the future... and why didn't they just KILL him in the Sentinels arc if they aren't going to tie up anything with him.

That said, why should Wolverine care about killing Bishop? Bishop led to Angel's death. Wolverine gutted him. While the writing of the dialogue was absolutely horrible, I mean, hey, that's Kirkman. The premise isn't so bad.

I sort of just think this is Kirkman's writing -- he can't write character reactions and doesn't feel any need to do so...

And only Wolverine knows Cable is himself in the future. And probably Charlie X now. The others don't.

This MIGHT be true.. but i mean don't you think some of them would have seen one armed wolverine with the cuts all over his face-- and then seen Cable... and MAYBE just MAYBE saw the resemblence....

 

[Havok83]

I loved the last issue. This arc so far has been the best of Kirkman's run

 

[El Bastardo]

I understand that, but wasn't it interesting that Wolverine in present lost the SAME arm in this arc... the same one that Cable is missing... I thought Kirkman was going to try and explain WHO that person was who tore his arm off... and the scratches on his face -- remember the first panel of Wolverine in the hospital in the present -- are you not seeing the correlation??

I do. Are you not seeing it?

Cable is Wolverine from the future. The future where Apocalypse decimated the forces come to fight him, and ruled. Events are still transpiring in something of a same way, apparently. Of course Wolverine lost the same arm as Cable. They're the same person. For Cable to be missing an arm, Wolverine has to lose his. Who was the person who ripped their arm off, scratched his face, and took his healing factor? Apocalypse. Which is why Cable never told Wolverine.

What the heck is so hard about that?

The only person I am confused about is the PRESENT timeline stryfe.. and how does he relate to Cable in the future... and why didn't they just KILL him in the Sentinels arc if they aren't going to tie up anything with him.

Kirkman probably forgot about him. I had my hyphotheses, but eh. He probably doesn't relate to Cable at all.

I sort of just think this is Kirkman's writing -- he can't write character reactions and doesn't feel any need to do so...

No, he obviously can't. Wolverine's dialogue to Dazzler after was awful. But Wolverine killing Bishop isn't far-fetched in the slightest.

This MIGHT be true.. but i mean don't you think some of them would have seen one armed wolverine with the cuts all over his face-- and then seen Cable... and MAYBE just MAYBE saw the resemblence....

No, it is true, no might about it. And the other characters don't know that Cable has claws. The only person to see Cable's claws and have the revelation that Cable is the future Wolverine was Wolverine himself. Xavier probably knows now, given their little romp in future times. Cable might have popped claws in his fight against Cyclops, before supposedly blowing himself and Xavier up, but, well, Kirkman's Cyclops has been less than brilliant, so.

There's absolutely no reason for anyone to suspect that Cable is a future Wolverine because it's so outlandish anyway. And they've seen one-armed, claw-faced Wolvie for all of five seconds last issue, anyway.

 

[javon]

I loved the last issue. This arc so far has been the best of Kirkman's run

What happened?! I get so frustrated when I can't get comics. Still haven't even gotten 91.

 

[Locs]

What happened?! I get so frustrated when I can't get comics. Still haven't even gotten 91.

Dun feel bad, I'm barely catching up and it's raping my wallet.

 

[Sieben]

I'm working through the TPB's... onto Ultimate War... but my wife and my wallet are putting up a fight LOL...

 

[Brand]

Here's a synopsis for UXM #92 I snagged from CBR for those who don't know what's happened yet.

Ok, the comic opens with Wolverine in the hospital. His stub for an arm is wrapped in bandages, and he's threatening a doctor so he can leave and help stop what is putting peopel into the hospital.

Jump to apocalypse kicking butt, xavier(onslaught outfit) and cable(stryfe outfit) say they're too late, but Cable is confident. Xavier almost immediately reveals who he is to Jean While Apocalypse beats the hell otu of SHIELD Agents.

Meanwhile Jean is momentarily shocked about the professor being back, and jean, cyclops, toad, and iceman are no longer in Apocalypse's control due to Xavier's honed abilities. Cable reveals that he and Bishop were in it together all along and that professor X is the key to stopping Apocalypse as the fantastic four unsuccessfully try to hold off Apocalypse.

Wolverine jumps in at the end of Cable's explanation and tells them all to start fighting. Professor X and Jean share a tender moment on a rocky peak that I assume used to be a rock under the earth, and you can tell he was about to tell her he loves her, but Apocalypse jumps in.

Xavier tries to wipe out onslaught psychically, but Cable's plan backfires as Apocalypse is somehwo resisting. Bit by bit Apocalypse destroys Xavier's helmet, gives him a bloody nose, and as he's abotu to kill Cable, Xavier uses his obviously enhanced telekinesis and let's it slip he spent a year in the future training.

As Apocalypse is about to kill Xavier, Jean begs the Phoenix force to help him, and it tells her it knew she would eventually beg for the phoenix.

I AM FREE! NOW YOU FACE MY WRATH!

DUN-DUN-DUN!!!!!!


Ok, so quite honestly, I actually liked this issue. It had good pacing for once in the series, barely anyone did anything out of character (because the only people we saw were jean the prof) and thank god only one more issue.

oh, I wanna note that I find it's really ironic Xavier is wearing a very Magneto-like costume

 

[SublimeDelusion]

not too gigantic of a surprise that the only thing that gets written "properly" is the thing between jean and Xavier. I'm really starting to see where the "fanfic" ideas are coming from.

 

[El Bastardo]

That's not even written "properly." It was a horrid piece that came out of nowhere and should not have been done. At all.

 

[SublimeDelusion]

That's not even written "properly." It was a horrid piece that came out of nowhere and should not have been done. At all.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. It just seems like it was Kirkman's little pet to keep that element in play, so he only paid attention enough to write it.

 

[TromaFreak64]

That's not even written "properly." It was a horrid piece that came out of nowhere and should not have been done. At all.

Ageed.

 

[TromaFreak64]

I do. Are you not seeing it?

Cable is Wolverine from the future. The future where Apocalypse decimated the forces come to fight him, and ruled. Events are still transpiring in something of a same way, apparently. Of course Wolverine lost the same arm as Cable. They're the same person. For Cable to be missing an arm, Wolverine has to lose his. Who was the person who ripped their arm off, scratched his face, and took his healing factor? Apocalypse. Which is why Cable never told Wolverine.

What the heck is so hard about that?

I was under the impression from your previous post you were arguing with me about this and did not see the parallels.

My original question was, when Cable lost his arm and got decimated in his timeline, it did not grow back... Is there any reason to think Kirkman would be ballsy enough to let the current timeline version of Wolverine lose one set of claws -- of course Kirkman has no balls since everything is a duplicate of 616 and he can't finish ANY of the storylines he started.

 

[El Bastardo]

If that was your original question, then it was a bit unclear, methinks.

Anyway, do be fair. Kirkman is finishing storylines. And he has. They haven't been great, but he has finished and is finishing stuff.

As for what he does with Wolverine, my guess is what will more than likely happen is the defeat of Apocalypse, leading to Wolverine regaining his healing factor, being able to repair the facial wounds and seal his arm back on, thus doing what Cable set out to do.

 

[TromaFreak64]

If that was your original question, then it was a bit unclear, methinks.

Anyway, do be fair. Kirkman is finishing storylines. And he has. They haven't been great, but he has finished and is finishing stuff.

As for what he does with Wolverine, my guess is what will more than likely happen is the defeat of Apocalypse, leading to Wolverine regaining his healing factor, being able to repair the facial wounds and seal his arm back on, thus doing what Cable set out to do.

Yeah... you are right he is finishing MORE than I ever expected. I really didn't see there being this much closure.. but the three major story points he began without even getting anywhere into them is what will haunt the next writer... or the next writer will just flat out ignore it like when Wolverine and Sabes went looking for their dad or wahtever

 

[javon]

Damn, this latest stuff sounds amazing. All I need is 91 and 92 and i'm good.

 

[AndThePickles]

If that was your original question, then it was a bit unclear, methinks.

Anyway, do be fair. Kirkman is finishing storylines. And he has. They haven't been great, but he has finished and is finishing stuff.

As for what he does with Wolverine, my guess is what will more than likely happen is the defeat of Apocalypse, leading to Wolverine regaining his healing factor, being able to repair the facial wounds and seal his arm back on, thus doing what Cable set out to do.

Either that or the Professor will help him get his mutant abilities back.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, 92 was great. Didn't feel crowded at all I like I thought it would be having Phoenix, Onslaught, Strife, and Apoc in one place

 

[Venom160]

Wow, 92 was great. Didn't feel crowded at all I like I thought it would be having Phoenix, Onslaught, Strife, and Apoc in one place

I agree it really didnt feel crowded at all. Still pissed off that they killed Angel though. Heres hopin Phoenix resurrects him.