Comics Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[Venom160]

hell they'd kill Spider-Man before they kill Wolverine.

 

[El Bastardo]

all the characters should've got some attention. But no Wolverine just needed to hog the final issue.

Ultimate X-Men #100 page counts - per character:

Wolverine was present on 12 pages. Six of these pages consist of him in one or two panels either sharing the entire page with the other parties of X-Men (latter half of the comic) or conversing with the other members (first half of the comic). Three of the twelve pages consist of him traveling for narrative purposes through the [BLACKOUT]Savage Land[/BLACKOUT]. Two of the above pages technically consist of a two-page spread, so, really, I should be counting this at 11 pages he appears on, but whatever.

Cyclops is featured on 10 pages. Despite either a two or one page less appearance, he clocks about as many panels as Wolverine does.

Jean is featured on nine pages. She also clocks up a bunch of panels.

Rogue is featured on 11 pages. Two of those pages are a two-page spread, so, 11 or 10 as wanted.

Honorable mentions: Iceman (six pages), Storm (seven pages), Angel (three pages, I think). Xavier sure got shafted with only two pages, with Dazzler getting one, and the butt of Nightcrawler getting one.

Madrox appears on a whopping 18 pages in a number of panels. So, really, if anyone hogged the spotlight in the ultimate issue of Ultimate X-Men, it was that ****ing Multiple Man.

Those rotten crooks at Marvel, making Multiple Man suck up all the page time. It's absolutely criminal. CRIMINAL, I say.

 

[squeekness]

Ultimate X-Men #100 page counts - per character:

Wolverine was present on 12 pages. Six of these pages consist of him in one or two panels either sharing the entire page with the other parties of X-Men (latter half of the comic) or conversing with the other members (first half of the comic). Three of the twelve pages consist of him traveling for narrative purposes through the [blackout]Savage Land[/blackout]. Two of the above pages technically consist of a two-page spread, so, really, I should be counting this at 11 pages he appears on, but whatever.

Cyclops is featured on 10 pages. Despite either a two or one page less appearance, he clocks about as many panels as Wolverine does.

Jean is featured on nine pages. She also clocks up a bunch of panels.

Rogue is featured on 11 pages. Two of those pages are a two-page spread, so, 11 or 10 as wanted.

Honorable mentions: Iceman (six pages), Storm (seven pages), Angel (three pages, I think). Xavier sure got shafted with only two pages, with Dazzler getting one, and the butt of Nightcrawler getting one.

Madrox appears on a whopping 18 pages in a number of panels. So, really, if anyone hogged the spotlight in the ultimate issue of Ultimate X-Men, it was that ****ing Multiple Man.

Those rotten crooks at Marvel, making Multiple Man suck up all the page time. It's absolutely criminal. CRIMINAL, I say.

LOL. Nice recap.

 

[El Bastardo]

LOL. Nice recap.

People who cry "wolf" (or "Wolverine," as the case may be) when it's completely uncalled for vex me. Greatly.

 

[Venom160]

But you have to admit el bastard that Wolverine has been seriously overused in 616 and in Ultimate. The guy has 2 ongoing titles (3 counting the Wolverine: Weapon X series thats starting up) aswell as whatever involvement he has in the other X-men titles and New Avengers. Plus they basically made him mutant 0 in Ultimate. They even came out and said that he's the father of the mutant race in Ult Origins. Don't get me wrong Wolverine is awesome in small doses but Marvel is throwing his ass into everything. They even [BLACKOUT]have his son in Dark Avengers as *gasp* Wolverine![/BLACKOUT] Wow how original.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

But you have to admit el bastard that Wolverine has been seriously overused in 616 and in Ultimate. The guy has 2 ongoing titles (3 counting the Wolverine: Weapon X series thats starting up) aswell as whatever involvement he has in the other X-men titles and New Avengers. Plus they basically made him mutant 0 in Ultimate. They even came out and said that he's the father of the mutant race in Ult Origins. Don't get me wrong Wolverine is awesome in small doses but Marvel is throwing his ass into everything. They even [blackout]have his son in Dark Avengers as *gasp* Wolverine![/blackout] Wow how original.

That's basically my problem. They are cramming so much of him down our throats I am choking on adamantium. I know there are movies coming out and all but geez. I hated it when they did it for TDK, Spider-man, X-men and I am sure I will hate it when they do it for Green Lantern. Don't get me wrong I love these films and these characters equally but sometimes it gets to be a bit much

 

[El Bastardo]

But you have to admit el bastard that Wolverine has been seriously overused in 616 and in Ultimate. The guy has 2 ongoing titles (3 counting the Wolverine: Weapon X series thats starting up) aswell as whatever involvement he has in the other X-men titles and New Avengers. Plus they basically made him mutant 0 in Ultimate. They even came out and said that he's the father of the mutant race in Ult Origins. Don't get me wrong Wolverine is awesome in small doses but Marvel is throwing his ass into everything. They even [blackout]have his son in Dark Avengers as *gasp* Wolverine![/blackout] Wow how original.

1) I don't give a ****.

2) I don't give two ****s.

3) It has absolutely nothing to do with Ultimate X-Men #100, which is what you were whining/complaining/whatevering about. I corrected that. You were wrong. Say thank you, or admit thy wrongness, and continue *****ing about Wolverine-overexposure or whatever gives you jollies.

4) In case this needs to be made MORE clear, this was about Wolverine supposedly being too "in the spotlight" for Ultimate X-Men #100 which, again, he was not.

5) The only time I can think of him being "seriously overused" in Ultimate X-Men was by his getting an almost-solo arc during Vaughan's run. And that's okay, because Vaughan's run was freaking awesome and glorious.

 

[Venom160]

3) It has absolutely nothing to do with Ultimate X-Men #100, which is what you were whining/complaining/whatevering about. I corrected that. You were wrong. Say thank you, or admit thy wrongness, and continue *****ing about Wolverine-overexposure or whatever gives you jollies.

I admit you were right about that. Than again I don't have the free time nor really give a **** to go through and count how many pages and panels each character had in a issue.

5) The only time I can think of him being "seriously overused" in Ultimate X-Men was by his getting an almost-solo arc during Vaughan's run. And that's okay, because Vaughan's run was freaking awesome and glorious.

haven't you read the Banshee arc? The whole thing is practically about him. They even have Xavier running around with ****ing claws in that arc.

I do agree with you about one thing. Vaughan's arc was awesome and was the apex of this series. Once Kirkman took over the series went to hell.

 

[DareDemon]

I have a question about Ult. Origins as I have not read it yet.

How

Spoiler

is Wolverine the father of the mutant race? If he didn't become a mutant until WWII then he didn't just have a bunch of kids, right?
I just don't think Magneto is Wolverine's son, or anything. Makes his relationship with Jean a little incestuous also. Maybe incest is the norm in mutantkind? Pietro and Wanda aren't so weird afterall.

 

[El Bastardo]

I admit you were right about that. Than again I don't have the free time nor really give a **** to go through and count how many pages and panels each character had in a issue.

Yeah, but you sure have the free time to write post after post complaining about how Wolverine takes up ALL the pages of a comic in which he actually does not take up ALL the pages of the comic.

Hm, I think this might be called irony.

haven't you read the Banshee arc? The whole thing is practically about him. They even have Xavier running around with ****ing claws in that arc.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that one. Most of Coleite's run has been forgettable, sadly, though certainly through no fault of his own. Coleite is a solid writer, and had he come on instead of Kirkman, I think this book would have continued shining.

The Banshee arc was the best Coleite could do with what looked like Marvel editorial through Bendis and the Ultimate Origins mini. And really, Coleite didn't make it all about Wolverine - as in, Wolverine was not the central star. Really, the arc concerned itself much more as an allegory to drug use and on the characters of Colossus and Cyclops primarily. And Rogue? I think. Unless that was the transitioning of Rogue to the main star slot of Coleite's run. So, again, wrong.

 

[Venom160]

Oh, yeah. I forgot that one. Most of Coleite's run has been forgettable, sadly, though certainly through no fault of his own. Coleite is a solid writer, and had he come on instead of Kirkman, I think this book would have continued shining.

yeah it really felt he was there just to get the title up to issue 100 so they could end it on a milestone.

The Banshee arc was the best Coleite could do with what looked like Marvel editorial through Bendis and the Ultimate Origins mini. And really, Coleite didn't make it all about Wolverine - as in, Wolverine was not the central star. Really, the arc concerned itself much more as an allegory to drug use and on the characters of Colossus and Cyclops primarily. And Rogue? I think. Unless that was the transitioning of Rogue to the main star slot of Coleite's run. So, again, wrong.

The drug was derived from Wolverine making him a major plot point in the story. Once again linking him to a story that shouldn't have had anything to do with him.

 

[terry78]

Honestly, Wolverine has been in every single character's book at least twice over the years. There have been other X-Men that basically have to do crossovers with the entire team, but I chalk that up to his loner status.

 

[UraniaChang]

For a supposed 'loner', he's got quite a lot of publicity to compete with Hilton.

 

[El Bastardo]

The drug was derived from Wolverine making him a major plot point in the story. Once again linking him to a story that shouldn't have had anything to do with him.

Plot point doesn't matter. Your opinion is that it shouldn't have had anything to do with him - apparently Aron Coleite, the writer, decided it should, whether Bendis, Marvel Editorial, et al pushed it upon him or not. Given the circumstances, I think I'm going to go with the professionals who welded the narrative together.

The drug coming from Wolverine, however, was not a MAJOR plot point in the arc. It was a twist, a "but," but the MAJOR plot was always the allegory to drug use and the effects it has on family and the individual. It's spelled right the heck out. Coleite SAID it in an interview.

The main characters portrayed were Colossus (and Northstar), Cyclops, and possibly Rogue. To a degree, Jean as well, and the druggies who went off with Colossus had varying degrees of characterization.

The ONLY time the spotlight was primarily on Wolverine was at the point of the twist, which happened in, what, the second or third issue of a three-four part arc? Oh, yeah, he sure stole that entire arc.

Seriously, reread it. Maybe I'm wrong. It's not very likely, but hey.

 

[Venom160]

Honestly I don't really remember the story much. I only read it once and like you said Coleite's run does seem to be very forgettable. Truth be told I don't really care either way, I just wanted to see how long I could stretch this heated discussion out.

 

[El Bastardo]

It was never heated.

 

[Havok83]

WTF? I just read Ultimatum 3 and

Spoiler

Polaris, Emma, Sunspot, Longshot, Cannoball and Forge are all killed within the first panel

 

[Venom160]

WTF? I just read Ultimatum 3 and

Spoiler

Polaris, Emma, Sunspot, Longshot, Cannoball and Forge are all killed within the first panel

Yep. It sucks. [BLACKOUT]Thor[/BLACKOUT] and [BLACKOUT]Hank Pym[/BLACKOUT] also died in this issue. Though I think that project Pym told Hawkeye to bring up might lead to the resurrection of the fallen heroes.

 

[Charlie No-One]

It has to or else the Ultimate Universe will have nobody in it.

 

[Brand]

It has to or else the Ultimate Universe will have nobody in it.

That's why they're bringing in new characters. Bendis has already said there's going to be a new Spider-Man after Ultimatum, and I seem to remember hearing the same about Captain America.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Well that is garbage. Just Scarlet Witch this mess and reset everything. Loeb single handly ruined an entire universe.

 

[bryanss3]

Well that is garbage. Just Scarlet Witch this mess and reset everything. Loeb single handly ruined an entire universe.

I love statements like that. I can't say I like anything he writes other than Batman but Marvel told him to do it. it was Marvel's idea.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Yeah but he was the one that did a ****** nonsensical way of doing it.

 

[bryanss3]

and when he handed in this **** as his script Marvel said "it's good enough" and put it out.

 

[Venom160]

They're equally to blame. Loeb for writing this **** and Marvel for approving it.