Comics Official UNCANNY X-MEN Discussion Thread

[nikbackm]

she used to be but like Manic said, they gave her a massive power boost.

Well, she was referred to as one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet several times during Generation X as well, and in the beginning she was kind of created as a foil to Xavier and said to rival him.

But maybe the same was true for Psylocke too?

 

[UraniaChang]

I've finally gotten around to reading through #517. What the eff is up with Fraction putting Rogue's name Anna Marie in quotes as if that's not her real name? We've met Anna's aunt; that's her real name.

Maybe he was hinting that 'Rogue' was more her true self than Anna?

 

[Havok83]

Well, she was referred to as one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet several times during Generation X as well, and in the beginning she was kind of created as a foil to Xavier and said to rival him.

But maybe the same was true for Psylocke too?

I dont ever recall that being used on her in Gen X. She certainly never did anything impressive. Monet was able to hold her own against her when using their TP, and she definetly isnt known for her skill and power when it comes to her TP

 

[OutcryX]

Well, she was referred to as one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet several times during Generation X as well, and in the beginning she was kind of created as a foil to Xavier and said to rival him.

But maybe the same was true for Psylocke too?

do you think people didn't read Gen X just cause they hardly use the characters anymore? Please point out where in the entirety of Gen X's run is it stated that Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths in the world and her power rivals Xavier...a foil she might have been, but she was never a force of awesome telepathy...and Havok is correct, M bested her many times in a battle of the minds when it came to using telepathy...a world class Emma was not...back then.

 

[roach]

Well, she was referred to as one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet several times during Generation X as well, and in the beginning she was kind of created as a foil to Xavier and said to rival him.

But maybe the same was true for Psylocke too?

I dont recall ever seeing anything saying her powers rivaled Xavier's in the begining...in fact she needed a machine to project illusions into Jean's mind during the Dark Phoenix saga

 

[UraniaChang]

Maybe she is still developing her potential...Bobby still is.

 

[GambitXremy]

who's the morlock?

 

[roach]

I dont have an issue with her growing into her potential but we havent seen it. Bobby grew into his potential..even if they regressed hims several times....when he started he covered himself in snow, then ice, then he became ice. One day Emma woke up and became one of the most powerful telepaths. IMO her ability should rival pre ninja Psylocke...no where near non phoenix Jean's or Rachael's...never mind Xavier's

 

[Havok83]

I think Emma became the most powerful by default bc many of the other powerful TPs at the time were either dead or depowered. After M day, she and Rachel were really the only ones the X-men had. That number has since increased since the X-men membership has multiplied though

 

[nikbackm]

I dont ever recall that being used on her in Gen X.

It was mentioned some times.



Gen X #16: "Enormous ability"



Gen X #30: "A telepath of enormous power"



Gen X #35: "One of the most powerful telepaths on the planet"



Gen X #42: "One of the most powerful psi talents on the planet"

She certainly never did anything impressive.

It was mainly intended as a student's book, so Banshee and Emma was never meant to show them up (same reason Emma and Scott were written below their average in New X-Men, to let the kids shine).

She did have some nice "feats" though.

Owning all the kids in a practice session (including Monet, see issue with psi-bolt)
Scanning the mind of X-Man over the Atlantic ocean, and later comfortably holding her own when he came to "get even".
Etc.

Monet was able to hold her own against her when using their TP, and she definetly isnt known for her skill and power when it comes to her TP

The one time she seemed to have difficulty was when she tried to probe her mind and got thrown out. Of course, this was not the Monet of today, but her twins who had somehow combined into one entity, so drawing conclusions of how M and Emma stack up from that might be dubious. Didn't Xavier also have problems with special minds like this? Rogue, for instance.

Also, probing a mind and encountering unexpected resistance is another thing entirely from a straight up telepathic battle it seems. Monet certainly did not hold her own there, once Emma got serious she was usually finished straightaway.

do you think people didn't read Gen X just cause they hardly use the characters anymore? Please point out where in the entirety of Gen X's run is it stated that Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths in the world and her power rivals Xavier...a foil she might have been, but she was never a force of awesome telepathy...and Havok is correct, M bested her many times in a battle of the minds when it came to using telepathy...a world class Emma was not...back then.

No, I've just recently re-read it myself so it's fresh in memory.

See above.

I dont recall ever seeing anything saying her powers rivaled Xavier's in the begining...in fact she needed a machine to project illusions into Jean's mind during the Dark Phoenix saga

It was implied in some ways. Her easily taking out three X-Men despite Xavier's telepathic defenses and later capturing him off-screen. Also mentioned once in New Mutants #15 by Illyana.



"Possibly on par with Professor Xavier himself".

This is course just Illyana speculating, but it shows they had it in mind at the time.

You might want to re-read DPS, it was Mastermind who used a machine to project his illusions (his whole shtick, you know) into Jean's mind.



And, as a bonus, for those who believe she got powered up after Morrison's run. This is how Morrison himself saw it.



That is, Emma and Jean (before she got grew into the Phoenix power too much as happened slowly during his run), were pretty evenly matched.

 

[nikbackm]

IMO her ability should rival pre ninja Psylocke

It seems kind of silly to me for a ninja-character like Psylocke to have great TP/TK powers that would work as well from a distance.

That would just make her look stupid for getting into close combat fights all the time (and getting gutted every now and then too).

If she has more tactical TP (psychic knife mainly) and TK (shield, enhance strikes etc) then the ninja shtick suits the character, otherwise not. Ninjas are about elegance and stealth mostly in my view, not pure power.

 

[Havok83]

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where is this from? I dont remember it

It seems kind of silly to me for a ninja-character like Psylocke to have great TP/TK powers that would work as well from a distance.

That would just make her look stupid for getting into close combat fights all the time (and getting gutted every now and then too).

If she has more tactical TP (psychic knife mainly) and TK (shield, enhance strikes etc) then the ninja shtick suits the character, otherwise not. Ninjas are about elegance and stealth mostly in my view, not pure power.

thats how she used her TP back in teh 90s. Once she became a ninja, she mainly used it in her psy-knife, with the rest of her TP mainly being used for communication.

 

[cardslinger]

In the first issue of adjectiveless X-Men, Psylocke thinks to herself "I could more easily do this telepathically, from a distance, but I like the thrill of physical combat. Like it, I crave it. How does Wolverine call it.. am I an Action Junkie? Something to watch out for. It's a temptation a foe could learn to use against me."

 

[roach]

In the first issue of adjectiveless X-Men, Psylocke thinks to herself "I could more easily do this telepathically, from a distance, but I like the thrill of physical combat. Like it, I crave it. How does Wolverine call it.. am I an Action Junkie? Something to watch out for. It's a temptation a foe could learn to use against me."

ahhh back in the awesome days when the Xmen were Xmen

 

[cardslinger]

I miss my Blue Team.

 

[OutcryX]

It was mentioned some times.



Gen X #16: "Enormous ability"



Gen X #30: "A telepath of enormous power"



Gen X #35: "One of the most powerful telepaths on the planet"



Gen X #42: "One of the most powerful psi talents on the planet"




It was mainly intended as a student's book, so Banshee and Emma was never meant to show them up (same reason Emma and Scott were written below their average in New X-Men, to let the kids shine).

She did have some nice "feats" though.

Owning all the kids in a practice session (including Monet, see issue with psi-bolt)
Scanning the mind of X-Man over the Atlantic ocean, and later comfortably holding her own when he came to "get even".
Etc.



The one time she seemed to have difficulty was when she tried to probe her mind and got thrown out. Of course, this was not the Monet of today, but her twins who had somehow combined into one entity, so drawing conclusions of how M and Emma stack up from that might be dubious. Didn't Xavier also have problems with special minds like this? Rogue, for instance.

Also, probing a mind and encountering unexpected resistance is another thing entirely from a straight up telepathic battle it seems. Monet certainly did not hold her own there, once Emma got serious she was usually finished straightaway.










No, I've just recently re-read it myself so it's fresh in memory.

See above.



It was implied in some ways. Her easily taking out three X-Men despite Xavier's telepathic defenses and later capturing him off-screen. Also mentioned once in New Mutants #15 by Illyana.



"Possibly on par with Professor Xavier himself".

This is course just Illyana speculating, but it shows they had it in mind at the time.

You might want to re-read DPS, it was Mastermind who used a machine to project his illusions (his whole shtick, you know) into Jean's mind.



And, as a bonus, for those who believe she got powered up after Morrison's run. This is how Morrison himself saw it.



That is, Emma and Jean (before she got grew into the Phoenix power too much as happened slowly during his run), were pretty evenly matched.

consider me schooled.

 

[The Englishman]

I miss my Blue Team.

Me too, Both Gold and Blue Teams

 

[Havok83]

I hate that there are well over 100 X-men yet they refuse to have any consistent lineup within the core books. Theres New Mutants, X-force and AXM, but the rest is just one big ol mess. They need to make some drastic cuts and get more focused bc the random cameos a month just isnt cutting it

 

[roach]

Fraption hates the blue/gold teams...he said it didnt make sense to him...go figure

 

[Manic]

Editor Axel Alonso (still the coolest name ever) also hates the Blue/Gold format.

I said in the Legacy thread that if they wanted to use a revolving cast, they should try picking a handful of different characters for each arc. That way you get a steady cast for a few issues before they're moved over for another cast for another few issues. That way you don't get Cyclops calling in Boom-Boom or Armor for three panels before ignoring them again.

 

[roach]

I think the only way to do the X-men is to have the blue/gold teams....that way most of the popular xmen get face time instead of Wolverine, Cyclops and Emma

 

[UraniaChang]

We will need a rainbow team instead of just blue and gold now considering there are so many characters in X-fandom.

 

[Manic]

To feature all of the current characters, we'd really only need to relaunch Young/New X-Men, make Astonishing and Uncanny feature different characters, turn Legacy back into a team book, and probably launch a Starjammers comic or just bring Havok's team back to Earth. Oh, and a Generation X reunion.

 

[roach]

Most of my issues with the way the X-men are would be solved by having another team of X-men. I want to read the 616 X-men but I am not reading anything by Fraction.

 

[roach]

To feature all of the current characters, we'd really only need to relaunch Young/New X-Men, make Astonishing and Uncanny feature different characters, turn Legacy back into a team book, and probably launch a Starjammers comic or just bring Havok's team back to Earth. Oh, and a Generation X reunion.

agreed