The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[zeptron]

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2

True, a lot of people did see SM3, but they hated it and decided to write off any future installments. Which is pretty close-minded IMO.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen comments like "SM3 sucked, so this will suck too!" or "Raimi is the worst director ever!"

And you know why it made the most money? Because of Venom. Instead of being patient and waiting for Raimi to finish with the Goblin story, he forced Venom in the movie in order to sell tickets and please fanboys.

 

[Eggyman]

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2

3 was that successful because of the first two. People didn't know how sh** it was until after they'd seen it.

 

[spider-neil]

3 was that successful because of the first two. People didn't know how sh** it was until after they'd seen it.

playing devil's advocate the nnumbers went down domestically but up internationally, so you can't apply that logic across the board.

 

[spider-neil]

I really hope this morning sony and sam are watching the trailer for iron man and freaking out. THAT looks absolutely kick arse. spidey is badly getting left behind.

 

[Eggyman]

I really hope this morning sony and sam are watching the trailer for iron man and freaking out. THAT looks absolutely kick arse. spidey is badly getting left behind.

Like I was saying in the other thread, they should stop worrying about teaching Parker lessons and start thinking of what would best make for a great story where *action* as well as drama has a high priority.

 

[spider-neil]

Like I was saying in the other thread, they should stop worrying about teaching Parker lessons and start thinking of what would best make for a great story where *action* as well as drama has a high priority.

absolutely agree. peter loves mj, okay we 'get it' move on already.
do you think SM4 is going to be pushed back a year if they change the villian (PLEASE change the vulture sam/sony)?

 

[zeptron]

I agree also. I would like to see more Spider-man too. I mean he was hardly in the third movie. It took him like 30 minutes to show up. If it was an origin movie that's understandable, but come on now this was the second sequel.

 

[Eggyman]

absolutely agree. peter loves mj, okay we 'get it' move on already.
do you think SM4 is going to be pushed back a year if they change the villian (PLEASE change the vulture sam/sony)?

I would hope so. Something about the Vulture just doesn't do it for me, and that's not even getting into all that Vulturess bullsh**. Don't get me wrong, if there's a lesson Pete can learn that comes naturally from a good story then fine, but story should come first... without feeling like it needs to push a load of marals down our respective throats.

 

[spider-neil]

I agree also. I would like to see more Spider-man too. I mean he was hardly in the third movie. It took him like 30 minutes to show up. If it was an origin movie that's understandable, but come on now this was the second sequel.

I don't mind not seeing spidey if the void is filled with something compelling. in SM2 I was enjoying pete's life going to the dogs because of spidey and how his life improved when he gave up the costume. in SM3 it was compelling at all it was played for laughs with him dancing.

if lizard was in the fourth movie and they concentrated on conners and his family I would have no problem with that whatsoever.

 

[spider-neil]

I would hope so. Something about the Vulture just doesn't do it for me, and that's not even getting into all that Vulturess bullsh**. Don't get me wrong, if there's a lesson Pete can learn that comes naturally from a good story then fine, but story should come first... without feeling like it needs to push a load of marals down our respective throats.

I don't think SM4 will get pushed back a year, but have you seen how many movies are coming out in summer 2011. there are too many movies coming out for all of them to be a success.

off the top of my head
thor
captain america
green lantern
shrek 4
sm 4
tranformers 3
POTC 4

if you are looking for a movie to avoid then spider-man 4 with a lamearse vulture villian is entirely too easy a choice

 

[Eggyman]

Yeh, it needs something a bit more special than a bald old dude to return it to its rightful throne at the top of the pile. Something a bit more dazzling - like a beefed-up Electro shooting lightening out of his arse...

Wait! How the fu** is Vulture synonymous with New York? Anyone else remember Raimi saying something about the villain being very New York centric??

I do. Vulture doesn't scream New York to me. Not one bit.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeh, it needs something a bit more special than a bald old dude to return it to its rightful throne at the top of the pile. Something a bit more dazzling - like a beefed-up Electro shooting lightening out of his arse...

Wait! How the fu** is Vulture synonymous with New York? Anyone else remember Raimi saying something about the villain being very New York centric??

I do. Vulture doesn't scream New York to me. Not one bit.

if news of the vulture gets confirmed I think I will throw up in my mouth.
this news is making me wish I was a batman/iron man fan.

 

[Eggyman]

if news of the vulture gets confirmed I think I will throw up in my mouth.
this news is making me wish I was a batman/iron man fan.

I will also throw up in mine to keep you company, and then we can rinse, brush, and floss together... in Batman jammies. I am deeply underwhelmed with news of Vulture. It could, in hindsight, go either way. It has a chance to be true because we know he was used in early drafts of the last film. It is also true, and for the same reason, that this could be an educated piece of bullsh**.

 

[Adrian89]

I'm fine with The Vulture (as long as there will be another villain at least, hopefully The Lizard), but I do think that there are better deserving villains such as The Scorpion, Shocker, Kraven, Mysterio and of course, The Lizard. So I'm really not to keen on this if their choice turns out to be The Vulture only, to be honest.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm fine with The Vulture (as long as there will be another villain at least, hopefully The Lizard), but I do think that there are better deserving villains such as The Scorpion, Shocker, Kraven, Mysterio and of course, The Lizard. So I'm really not to keen on this if their choice turns out to be The Vulture only, to be honest.

I've never like the vulture, never. not in the comics and not in the cartoons. a truly lame villian. I remember reading a comic where the human torch takes down vulture in about 5 seconds flat and says 'YOU gave spidey problems?'

utterly lame. if sony is trying to make sam see sense then I'm 100% behind them.

 

[zeptron]

I'm not against Vulture. But like I said before I would like to see other villains before him. I find him underrated. He could be a great villain. However having him by himself wouldn't satisfy me.

If he is used they'll definitely need to update his costume. The green and white costume would look too goofy onscreen. If they were to change the suit a bit and added more black and made it more like an armored-plated suit instead of spandex and feathers it would definitely work, especially if Ben Kingsley played him. Also give him some weapons to make him more menacing and dangerous. Such as grenades he can drop or razor sharp steel talons.

He can adapt to the sky more than Spidey can. He can much faster and higher. Plus in the air, Spidey can only go so high before there's nothing for him to cling or web to stay up there. vulture doesn't need to because of his wings. so really, the higher Spidey goes, the more dangerous it is for him and the better chances of Vulture beating him becomes. Spidey's even stated in the comics that he fears Vulture more than almost any other villain he's faced because of that fact

 

[spider-neil]

I'm not against Vulture. But like I said before I would like to see other villains before him. I find him underrated. He could be a great villain. However having him by himself wouldn't satisfy me.

If he is used they'll definitely need to update his costume. The green and white costume would look too goofy onscreen. If they were to change the suit a bit and added more black and made it more like an armored-plated suit instead of spandex and feathers it would definitely work, especially if Ben Kingsley played him. Also give him some weapons to make him more menacing and dangerous. Such as grenades he can drop or razor sharp steel talons.

He can adapt to the sky more than Spidey can. He can much faster and higher. Plus in the air, Spidey can only go so high before there's nothing for him to cling or web to stay up there. vulture doesn't need to because of his wings. so really, the higher Spidey goes, the more dangerous it is for him and the better chances of Vulture beating him becomes. Spidey's even stated in the comics that he fears Vulture more than almost any other villain he's faced because of that fact

steel wings
feathers that shoot out
razor talons

you could have a scene where the police shot at vulture and vulture uses his wings as a sheild (batfink eat you heart out lol!).

 

[Adrian89]

I've never like the vulture, never. not in the comics and not in the cartoons. a truly lame villian. I remember reading a comic where the human torch takes down vulture in about 5 seconds flat and says 'YOU gave spidey problems?'

utterly lame. if sony is trying to make sam see sense then I'm 100% behind them.

Well I never really liked him either and don't find him that exciting at all, therefore...

.... I'd also be happy if he won't be in the movie. But we don't know for sure yet if Raimi added him in the first place for example, cause these are just rumours after all. I rather have Carnage haha, although a lot of people would disagree on that, but I don't give a damn. It's my oppinion.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Ignoring these ridiculous and clearly fake "Vulturess" rumors for a moment...

As much as I love the Lizard, I'd be absolutely thrilled if we actually got the Vulture in this movie. I've always thought he was one of the all-time most underrated Spider-Man villains.

At first glance he might not seem unique or visually interesting enough but think about it; remember the aerial battle at the beginning of Spider-Man 3? With Vulture, we can take that to a whole new level. As far as the character himself goes, Vulture would be best done in a style similar to Norman Osborn in the first movie, portrayed as as a vicious character who, though he's placed in a sympathetic predicament--a human one, really--is also irredeemable, far too old and bitter to change his ways now. I'd like to see them use something along the lines of JM Dematties' cancer storyline, where Toomes finds out he has terminal cancer and instead of living his last days in peace, he instead seeks violent revenge on everyone who ever wronged him before it's too late.

Luckily, it does seem that Raimi recognizes the bitterness inherent to the character, judging from the dark way he wanted to portray him in SM3.

As far as him being old, well hell, that's the point! A vulture is a wrinkly, bald, old-looking bird, so Adrian Toomes is a wrinkly, bald old man.

 

[Artistsean]

SM3 would have sucked regardless as 3 villians is too much, you can't develope any of them. I said this BEFORE I saw the movie so this isn't hindsight. and before someone mentions TDK, scarecrow was on screen for like 5 minutes and two faces was horribly rushed (I'm sorry he was).

sony shouldn't have stuck their nose in SM3 but if they are trying to make Sam get rid of the vulture then I'm totally behind them.

GO SONY!!! get rid of the vulture before it's too late.

Well, imagine if Sam was able to put Vulture in (instead of Sony forcing him to add in Venom).
We may not have had to do the Black suit Spider-Man storyline at all. Then the movie could have focused on Sandman and Vulture (starting as cell mates and turning into a team against Spider-Man)
While keeping the New Green Goblin story in tact. It would have been a much less complicated, and better, movie.

Personally I think the Vulture would be a great villain to use, and imagine what a character character he could be if someone like Ben Kingsly or John Malcovich played him.
(Vulture is a self made bad guy, unlike the others featured there was no accident that made him powerful or evil, he made his own suit and decided to use it for crime.)

Whoever the bad guy is, whatever the story, they HAVE to show that Peter and MJ are together and happy and that she LOVES him. That is how they can focus on their relationship, no more troubles between the two (first film getting her to notice him and finding out he can never be with her, second film shows them finally ending up together, third film has them break apart and not get back together till the end) the next films MUST show these two are actually happy together.
Even if they bring in the Black Cat, it shouldn't be a story where Peter is tempted to cheat or something, it should show Black Cat likes Spider-Man. Showing Peter tempted would again make him look like a jerk.

 

[spider-neil]

Well, imagine if Sam was able to put Vulture in (instead of Sony forcing him to add in Venom).
We may not have had to do the Black suit Spider-Man storyline at all. Then the movie could have focused on Sandman and Vulture (starting as cell mates and turning into a team against Spider-Man)
While keeping the New Green Goblin story in tact. It would have been a much less complicated, and better, movie.

there would also be no symbiote, so;
no dancing
no pointing at girls
no jazz club
no hitler hair

 

[venom892]

Ignoring these ridiculous and clearly fake "Vulturess" rumors for a moment...

As much as I love the Lizard, I'd be absolutely thrilled if we actually got the Vulture in this movie. I've always thought he was one of the all-time most underrated Spider-Man villains.

At first glance he might not seem unique or visually interesting enough but think about it; remember the aerial battle at the beginning of Spider-Man 3? With Vulture, we can take that to a whole new level. As far as the character himself goes, Vulture would be best done in a style similar to Norman Osborn in the first movie, portrayed as as a vicious character who, though he's placed in a sympathetic predicament--a human one, really--is also irredeemable, far too old and bitter to change his ways now. I'd like to see them use something along the lines of JM Dematties' cancer storyline, where Toomes finds out he has terminal cancer and instead of living his last days in peace, he instead seeks violent revenge on everyone who ever wronged him before it's too late.

Luckily, it does seem that Raimi recognizes the bitterness inherent to the character, judging from the dark way he wanted to portray him in SM3.

As far as him being old, well hell, that's the point! A vulture is a wrinkly, bald, old-looking bird, so Adrian Toomes is a wrinkly, bald old man.

You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

 

[spider-neil]

You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

90's animated -
old vulture steals the youth of youngsters to become young.
has a vicious costume

SSM -
old vulture blames osborn for stealing his tech and tries to take osborn out

two half decent renditions of a lame villian.

 

[Dr.Dude]

You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

Yeah, those issues were brilliant. I've always thought of it as the character's defining storyline.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Why not make a crimelord who has three henchman Herman Schultz,Alex O'Hirn,and Mac Gargan.And when this crimelord's business is being messed up all the time by spider-man,this crimelord takes his three captains and turns them into super villains.

And when spidey defeats them,spidey faces the crimelord himself.Maybe they could make it Tombstone,but maybe they can change him into a vampire to explain why he is an albino who doesn't go out in the day.

Maybe they could have some cool arial fighting this way as well.